argument with my dad about squats led to an interesting phone call

[SpyWizard]

Analysis of variance (ANOVA) and Tukey post hoc tests indicated a significant difference (p < 0.001*, p = 0.056**) in the relative contribution of the GM during the concentric phases among the partial- (16.9%*), parallel- (28.0%**), and full-depth (35.4%*) squats.
There were no significant differences between the relative contributions of the BF, the VMO, and the VL at different squatting depths during this phase.

This means the weight wasn't transferred anywhere. The weight remained on the muscles throughout the entire range of motion, except for the gluteus maximus which actually increased activity the lower you went...

http://apt.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1519%2F1533-4287(2002)016[0428%3ATEOBSD]2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1

so there ya go.. going deeper activates the glutes..

 

[the_alcatraz]

Guys, please play nice. I would really hate to start handing over timeouts over bs because some people like to be smartasses and are disrespectful to other posters.

I won't say this again.

Thanks.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Djeclipse, I thought my post was very clear.

Providing evidence and argumentation is good....saying someone knows nothing and everything he teaches is bad and that people shouldn't train under him because he will "harm" them is NOT respectful and just means you are harming him.

You both have different opinions...deal with it. It doesn't mean either of you are right or wrong for that matter, it just means you think differently and have different approaches to training.

Last warning.

 

[resonator]

SpyWizard, how do you feel about the study demonstrating that the force remains on the muscle throughout the entire range? Ready to repent?! You can still be saved!

 

[the_alcatraz]

Anyone got some peer-reviewed published stuff to throw around or is this continuing to be a dick measuring contest?

I like this post.

 

[mattu3743]

this thread is very very intresting. me personally i've done a few different types of squats through my short life on this earth. from half ass squats that most people do to parallel squats and to below parallel squats. Going below parellel does put more pressure on ya glutes and hammys. going parallel puts more pressure on your quads and some bootimus maximus lol. and we all know what half ass squats to is to help boost some men's egos.

If im training some one and i know that your joints and ligament in your new arent that quite strong yet you can bet your ass off i'm not letting you go past parallel

if you're bodybuilding and need to get your quads bigger we're going parallel and we're keeping most of the pressure on your quads. Acourse we would go heavy so i wouldnt want to go below parellel because we dont want to bring you're bootymaximus in there.

I dont know if this helps but this is what I think about before i would train a client or myself.

 

[bentoverrow]

So what of the several in-depth studies that show a proper squat done past parallel puts less shear force on the knees than stopping above? Plus, it's not as if once you pass parallel no muscles are involved. Deep squats have added size, strength, and flexibility to my posterior chain.

Even if you squat below parallel, you are still putting the same shear force on the knees as you make the descent to the hole and on the way out of the hole.

 

[djeclipse]

Even if you squat below parallel, you are still putting the same shear force on the knees as you make the descent to the hole and on the way out of the hole.

No, the load is transferred to your hips when you go below parallel (not the knees). Your hips are much better suited for carrying the load than your knees.

 

[LucSulla]

Even if you squat below parallel, you are still putting the same shear force on the knees as you make the descent to the hole and on the way out of the hole.

There was a pretty large, in depth UK study that demonstrated that stopping above parallel put nearly twice as much sheer on the knee as descending below parallel. If I can find it later, I will post it.

 

[ceo]

If im training some one and i know that your joints and ligament in your new arent that quite strong yet you can bet your ass off i'm not letting you go past parallel

Really? I'd just have them start off with a weight they could handle going below parallel with and teach them the correct way to squat.

if you're bodybuilding and need to get your quads bigger we're going parallel and we're keeping most of the pressure on your quads. Acourse we would go heavy so i wouldnt want to go below parellel because we dont want to bring you're bootymaximus in there.

Ah, well! Again, I would just have them use a weight they could handle doing a real squat with. A guy who needs bigger quads most likely could use bigger hams too, as hams are usually an area that needs to be brought up to balance out the upper leg. Not like squatting below parallel doesn't build up quads anyway...lol @ the thought of that.