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Are injectables liver toxic ?
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Bigdogmikey
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dosteov said:
TEST pure and simple
TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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DIVISION said:Whenever I take Tyler's my stomach feels queasy the whole day.....like I'm on the verge of throwing up...
other than that, it's not a bad product.
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Serious? Man i love that stuff. I took winny for A LONG time, and took tyler's ...enzymes were not even elevated slightly
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PolfaJelfa
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so true
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Action of Testosterones,Treatment with testosterone and its congeners is complicated by the fact that the exogenous supply of the hormone may depress secretion of the natural hormone through inhibitory effects on the pituitary. Too large a dose may cause permanent damage. Treatment is usually associated with a feeling of well-being. Following PO use, 44% of testosterone is cleared by the liver in the first pass. Thus, the parenteral forms are used. t1/2, testosterone cypionate after IM: 8 days. Ninety percent is excreted through the urine as metabolites and 6% is excreted through the feces. Testosterone and testosterone propionate are considered short-acting; testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate are long-acting.
Following use of Testoderm on the scrotal skin: Maximum serum levels: 2-4 hr with return to baseline in about 2 hr after system is removed. Serum levels reach a plateau in 3-4 weeks. Will not produce sufficient serum levels if applied to nongenital skin. Following use of Androderm to nonscrotal skin, there is continual absorption over 24 hr. Application of two systems at 10:00 p.m. results in serum testosterone levels similar to normal circadian variation with maximum levels occurring in the early morning hours and minimum levels in the evening...
SIDE EFFECTS: Hepatic: Liver toxicity is the most serious side effect. Jaundice, cholestasis, alterations in BSP retention, AST, and ALT. Rarely, hepatic necrosis, hepatocellular neoplasms peliosis hepatis, acute intermittent porphyria in clients with this disease. GI: N&V, diarrhea, anorexia, symptoms of peptic ulcer. CNS: Headache, anxiety, increased or decreased libido, insomnia, excitation, paresthesias, sleep apnea syndrome, CNS hemorrhage chills, choreiform movements, habituation, confusion (toxic doses). GU: Testicular atrophy with inhibition of testicular function (e.g., oligospermia), impotence, epididymitis, irritable bladder, prepubertal phallic enlargement, gynecomastia. Electrolyte: Retention of sodium, chloride, calcium, potassium, phosphates. Edema. Miscellaneous: Acne, flushing, suppression of clotting factors (II, V, VII, X), polycythemia, leukopenia, rashes, dermatitis, anaphylaxis (rare) muscle cramps, hypercholesterolemia, male-pattern baldness, acne, seborrhea, hirsutism. Hypercalcemia, especially in immobilized clients or those with metastatic breast carcinoma. Virilization in women.
In females, menstrual irregularities (including amenorrhea), virilization, clitoral enlargement, hirsutism, increased libido, baldness (male pattern), virilization of external genitalia of female fetus.
In males, decreased ejaculatory volume, oligospermia (high doses), gynecomastia, increased frequency and duration of penile erections.
In children, disturbances of growth, premature closure of epiphyses, precocious sexual development.
Inflammation and pain at site of IM or SC injection.
NOTE: Side effects of the cypionate and enanthate products are not readily reversible due to the long duration of action of these dosage forms.
The patch may cause itching, irritation, erythema, or discomfort of the scrotum (Testoderm) or on skin areas where applied (Androderm). Potentially, small amounts of testosterone may be transferred to a sex partner.
POLJAFFA THIS IS FROM HEALTHDIGEST.ORG
Following use of Testoderm on the scrotal skin: Maximum serum levels: 2-4 hr with return to baseline in about 2 hr after system is removed. Serum levels reach a plateau in 3-4 weeks. Will not produce sufficient serum levels if applied to nongenital skin. Following use of Androderm to nonscrotal skin, there is continual absorption over 24 hr. Application of two systems at 10:00 p.m. results in serum testosterone levels similar to normal circadian variation with maximum levels occurring in the early morning hours and minimum levels in the evening...
SIDE EFFECTS: Hepatic: Liver toxicity is the most serious side effect. Jaundice, cholestasis, alterations in BSP retention, AST, and ALT. Rarely, hepatic necrosis, hepatocellular neoplasms peliosis hepatis, acute intermittent porphyria in clients with this disease. GI: N&V, diarrhea, anorexia, symptoms of peptic ulcer. CNS: Headache, anxiety, increased or decreased libido, insomnia, excitation, paresthesias, sleep apnea syndrome, CNS hemorrhage chills, choreiform movements, habituation, confusion (toxic doses). GU: Testicular atrophy with inhibition of testicular function (e.g., oligospermia), impotence, epididymitis, irritable bladder, prepubertal phallic enlargement, gynecomastia. Electrolyte: Retention of sodium, chloride, calcium, potassium, phosphates. Edema. Miscellaneous: Acne, flushing, suppression of clotting factors (II, V, VII, X), polycythemia, leukopenia, rashes, dermatitis, anaphylaxis (rare) muscle cramps, hypercholesterolemia, male-pattern baldness, acne, seborrhea, hirsutism. Hypercalcemia, especially in immobilized clients or those with metastatic breast carcinoma. Virilization in women.
In females, menstrual irregularities (including amenorrhea), virilization, clitoral enlargement, hirsutism, increased libido, baldness (male pattern), virilization of external genitalia of female fetus.
In males, decreased ejaculatory volume, oligospermia (high doses), gynecomastia, increased frequency and duration of penile erections.
In children, disturbances of growth, premature closure of epiphyses, precocious sexual development.
Inflammation and pain at site of IM or SC injection.
NOTE: Side effects of the cypionate and enanthate products are not readily reversible due to the long duration of action of these dosage forms.
The patch may cause itching, irritation, erythema, or discomfort of the scrotum (Testoderm) or on skin areas where applied (Androderm). Potentially, small amounts of testosterone may be transferred to a sex partner.
POLJAFFA THIS IS FROM HEALTHDIGEST.ORG
Bigdogmikey
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PolfaJelfa said:
maybe this will help
Bigdogmikey
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PolfaJelfa said:
OR YOUR OTHER COMMENT
As i said bro, everything is liver toxic, including the steak and protein we consume. However one must look at the specific toxicity..not general.....what this means is that the toxicity produced by test ( even higher doses) is minimall compared to everyday medications, food etc and items we consume. I do agree with you that the higher toe dose of anything the more toxic it is. However...the toxicity level is still low enough as to be deemed "irelevant" in most "normal doses"
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PolfaJelfa
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Im not going to argue with you bro, BTW the "After 1000 mgs"...was not saying that it was after 1000 mgs it was me being sarcastic (which is hard to decifer over internet)
Point is I along with the vast majority of people think and have proven even on themselves that test is not "liver toxic" sure it puts stress on liver as it is toxic to some degree....( im repeating myself from other posts)....anyhow...you have your oppinion...i have mine....and the vast majority of vets have theirs. Most people including doctors also will confirm that testosterone is not toxic ( to levels where it will hurt your liver even at those doses) For example think about this..anadrol 50 is VERY VERY VERY bad for liver even at 1 tab a day....aids patients take over 5-10 aday for years sometimes over 5-20 yrs.....they ussualy do not have complications with the liver but rather die of aids first. Now think about it testosterone produces a level of toxicity that does not even fit on the scale compared to anadrol. Do your math?
Point is I along with the vast majority of people think and have proven even on themselves that test is not "liver toxic" sure it puts stress on liver as it is toxic to some degree....( im repeating myself from other posts)....anyhow...you have your oppinion...i have mine....and the vast majority of vets have theirs. Most people including doctors also will confirm that testosterone is not toxic ( to levels where it will hurt your liver even at those doses) For example think about this..anadrol 50 is VERY VERY VERY bad for liver even at 1 tab a day....aids patients take over 5-10 aday for years sometimes over 5-20 yrs.....they ussualy do not have complications with the liver but rather die of aids first. Now think about it testosterone produces a level of toxicity that does not even fit on the scale compared to anadrol. Do your math?
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