Are injectables liver toxic ?

[PolfaJelfa]

You can't take one case and apply it to the whole AS using community

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[poantrex]

On your first point... Roche gives them guidelines on Lipids, liver function, psyche, hearing, inflammed bowel disease, pregnancy, bone mineral density, visual impairment and more. What the majority of the doctors using it test for closely, is liver stress. So say all those who have posted about it. And myself but I won't even count me.
I am in the US. Here read all about it. Knock yourself out. http://www.rocheusa.com/products/accutane/pi.pdf

On your second point... I don't know what AMGETR's case is and he's not me or anyone else.

There was a teenager here in Florida who flew his single engine plane into a building and killed himself. His mother is suing Roche. Court documents claim that the psyche affects of his accutane course led to the suicide. Does that mean if she's right that people who have access to planes on this board shouldn't use Accutane?

You can't take one case and apply it to the whole AS using community.

I'm not here to say what he was taking can be attributed to accutane or not. But AAS taken in conjunction with accutane can definitely lead to a chance of a bad bloodtest, in which most derms will pull you off. My entire point is that if he values the use of accutane, to not risk it by using too much AAS. And if he's naturally prone to acne (especially facial acne) taking AAS would be stupid. that would increase the chance of remission.

I don't know where you're getting that derms only look at liver function. That is false. Gimme one roche document that states, they should look primarily at liver function. The truth is, they look at a lot more than that and I've heard numerous of people being pulled off because of hyperlipidemia and hypertrigliceridemia.

 

[Ulter]

I have been here for 5 years and I don't know a single person that was pulled off accutane because of their lipids. Meanwhile I know hundreds, and according to source friends there are thousands, of men who buy accutane to use with their cycles. They use it. They are fine. They go on their way. If a doctor took away my accutane I would buy it the same way I bought my cycle.

If you don't want to use it, don't. I don't care and this not going to get resolved posting this stuff back and forth. In five years I don't know anyone who has had a problem with it, you want to alert everyone that they shouldn't do it. Knock yourself out.

I think my point about Roche was made and that is it really doesn't matter what their instructions are. Doctors follow what the salesmen tell them to do. I GAVE YOU Roche's instructions and most of the things on the instructions aren't being done by doctors are they? Did you doctor check your vision? Did he check your hearing? Did he ask for your psyche history? (Well maybe he did after the recent lawsuits)

Sure a doctor might pull you off for whatever reason. It's not common though or I would know at least ONE person who had it happen. I must have sent 300 people to Dr Scruggs for steroids and it never happened to anyone he put on Accutane. And BTW he put them on DURING their cycles. Just like he did me.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Hey Ulter, how did that Acutane work for you, temporary subsiding, or did it "kill the acne" after you discontinued the med.?

 

[Themachine01]

If they stayed that way for years I might agree with him.

The problem is that doctors, if you don't tell them you cycle, freak when they see the lipid profile of someone on cycle. Because they think that the profile represents your typical lipid profile.
If those profiles were that dangerous in the short term they'd have you on meds in a heartbeat. They just aren't.

Is it best to go see a dermo to get it?

 

[Ulter]

Accutane eliminated acne for good. No matter how much tren I use it simply doesn't erupt anymore.

You can get it at a dermo or from sources. I don't see it on any lists right now but they are out there. And a lot of the liquid guys have it.

 

[BIGCANNONS]

Thanks for the answers guys.

Oak,how high are your liver values after an oral vs after an injectable only cycle ? Have you ever tested them during cycles ?
I'm looking for such data.




PS Posting rarely and asking basic-looking questions does not prove someone ignorant.
10 years of use@50-70grams/year-310 pounds@6'2",610 raw bench FYI.
We all are here to learn more than we know.

I HEAR YA BRO I think some of these guys might jump the gun when it comes to calling someone out, and seems to me that some of those same people tend to give questionable advice, i've more than my share of research yet i still dont know anywhere close to everything but feel free to pm me and ill try my best to help if not ill try to find help PEACE.

 

[dosteov]

Could anyone recommend a steroid that builds as much mass as Dbol but isn't as toxic?

 

[Bigdogmikey]

Big dog mike..those links are completely of the subject...like i said..please show me a stufy that says....after 1000mgs test becomes magically toxic......
I will b ehappy to post some study for you to show you that protein when taken over 70g+ in one sitting will be toxic for your liver ( to apoints) EVERYTHING YOU PUT INTO YOUR MOOUTH WILL PUT some stress on your livver bro!

Anything that is filtered by your liver raises the values, The more injections, the more juice, the harder your liver works making it toxic, 70grams of carbs in one sitting is bad for your kidneys you must be mistaken. Injectables become liver toxic at higher doses, its common sense.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I'm especially interested inknowing about injectable testosterones and especially suspension.
Any experience or studies showing liver stress ?


Also,how about all the rest of injectables ? Tren probably is.

You should take Tyler's liv protectant with ALL aas oral or inj.