Are injectables liver toxic ?

[PolfaJelfa]

Im tired of seing people giving the wrong advice around here...if you are unsure say " in my oppinion or i think" or "im not sure", First of all the board is here to help other people and not bitch at them for asking questions..You were a newbie too.....2nd if your going to give advice make sure its the correct advice!!

 

[theoak01]

I have a hard time thinking injectables affect the liver, when I do injectable only cycles my values never go up or rise slightly,nothing into a range where orals take me. I get blood work done before during and after and I dont take any liver detox just a multi vit

 

[mrplunkey]

I thought the injectables that release through esters (oil-based) were "hard" on the liver, but only to the extent that AAS can mess-up your lipid profiles and stress your system overall -- hence they aren't "hepatoxic".

17aa compounds, hence they are explicity designed to circumvent breakdown by the liver, are hepatoxic. That means that not only do they stress your liver via the traditional AAS route -- they also can do actual damage to the liver. It's the 17aa aspect of these steriods that also makes them viable as oral drugs as opposed to injection-only.

The delineation of injectable versus oral as a way to identify 17aa compounds is sort-of accurate, but there are clear exceptions such as Winstrol which is 17aa (hepatoxic) and does come in an injectable form. Interestingly enough, since winny is 17aa, you could load up the syringe and just squirt it into your mouth too and not really lose that much efficacy.

I take 2 tyler's liver detox on any cycle to help my liver and when 17aa's are involved, up the dose to 4 per day (2 am, 2 pm).

 

[gtrack]

Thanks for the answers guys.

Oak,how high are your liver values after an oral vs after an injectable only cycle ? Have you ever tested them during cycles ?
I'm looking for such data.




PS Posting rarely and asking basic-looking questions does not prove someone ignorant.
10 years of use@50-70grams/year-310 pounds@6'2",610 raw bench FYI.
We all are here to learn more than we know.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

gone zag uh sucks beyatch.


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Holla back

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I have a hard time thinking injectables affect the liver, when I do injectable only cycles my values never go up or rise slightly,nothing into a range where orals take me. I get blood work done before during and after and I dont take any liver detox just a multi vit

People, people, people...injectables run throught the liver as well...why is this so hard to comprehend? It is true that orals give the LIV more stress because you're taking them orally! They get broken down in your liver first! Inj. eventually get into the blood stream and go through..............the LIVER

 

[Ulter]

Injectable steroids, except winny which is an oral steroid that is injected, are not liver toxic. Suspension as liver toxic as Halo? This board slides into an abyss of stupidity sometimes. Don't post stupid stuff the guys at the gym told you. Liver enzymes are not increased from using a steroid that the liver doesn't break down. How could they be? People are looking for some peripheral affect that injectables have on the liver and that ridiculous. The air you breathe has a peripheral affect on your liver. Stop splitting hairs. Esterfied steroids, for all practical purposes, are not liver toxic.

 

[LoneTree]

Im tired of seing people giving the wrong advice around here...if you are unsure say " in my oppinion or i think" or "im not sure", First of all the board is here to help other people and not bitch at them for asking questions..You were a newbie too.....2nd if your going to give advice make sure its the correct advice!!

dito to this
Too much crappy advice here.

 

[mrplunkey]

Injectable steroids, except winny which is an oral steroid that is injected, are not liver toxic. Suspension as liver toxic as Halo? This board slides into an abyss of stupidity sometimes. Don't post stupid stuff the guys at the gym told you. Liver enzymes are not increased from using a steroid that the liver doesn't break down. How could they be? People are looking for some peripheral affect that injectables have on the liver and that ridiculous. The air you breathe has a peripheral affect on your liver. Stop splitting hairs. Esterfied steroids, for all practical purposes, are not liver toxic.

It looked like a lot of people started using "hard on the liver" and "hepatoxic" interchangeably. I understand the true hepatoxic nature of 17aa compounds. We know the injectable esters aren't hepatoxic. Are they "hard on the liver" in any other way?

 

[Ulter]

No, not in any direct way that has been linked by research or noted in steroid research. When they talk about AS being liver toxic they are very careful to explain that it's only 17aa's that are liver toxic. Go to the Bjaarki Library at Anabolic Fitness and read the shandi AS review. Liver toxicity is covered there.