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[BigJohnD]

What up! Im 5'11" 215lbs. Weight mostly in my mid section... Ive been doing a steady diet consisting of 5-6 meals a day. ie: Oatmeal for breakfeast, yougurt for snack, spinach and two eggs for lunch, 90 cal ceral bar for snack, dinner, anywhere between chicken or tuna with salad, and fat free sugar free puding for last snack/dessert. =)
I try and stay away from carbs, being that for years ive put on this weight and the italian in me loves bread. If i do have bread say with pb&j, i use the low low carb multi grain bread. I do this combined with a mile a day of cardio, pushups everyday, along with situps. Getting ready for lifting soon...

 

[BigJohnD]

What im wondering is, is that before i get ready to lift and do cycles to really enhance and creat my physic... I was wondering about cutting up with clenbuterol or maybe stacking that with something else.... Some say Clen alone would be good for a first time user, and if so, what is a normal intake for a first time user. Ive heard on and off for two weeks, four weeks straight, etc, etc........ My goal is to loose weight, espically in my stomach area, and eventually get a solid platform to build muscle on. A six pack wouldnt hurt either =)... Any help would be greatly appreciated guys! Thanks!

 

[hwydopehound]

Need to know more. How old are you? Why do you plan on cycling so soon? Unless your 24 or so, I'd leave the cyclcing alone until you've lifted a year or so. I would say most of your problems will be taken care of with a good weightlifting/training program. What are your goals? Strongman, bodybuilding, just the "athletic" look, sprinter??? Help us out bro, just need some more info.

Oh, and stay away from clen for a bit. Make sure you aren't getting any gains from lifting. All these things in which you speak of(cycles and clen) can have pretty bad side effects if your not dilligent in your pct and careful how you take them. Have you ever really lifted/trained before?

PS-LEARN TO DO DEADLIFTS!

 

[BigJohnD]

Im 28 years old. Ive always gone on and off of lifting, as for the begining of the year, i was not lifting... For the past month, ive been eating right and doing cardio and pushups. Nothing major since i know im a beginner. As for my goal, i want that "athletic look". I eventually want a six pack, and if down the road i want excitement, i might try mma... I guess you can say im a straight edge... No smoking, no drinking, no drugs, not even coffee or redbull. The only thing i take that isnt natural is a multi-vitamin (mega-man/gnc) I used to smoke pot, drink, and do drugs, but im finally growing up i guess. I noticed even tho im doing better this year, im noticing major fatigue after my workouts... Maybe my test. has gone down, i dont know... But instead of taking something to give me energy over the counter, i was figuring Clen would be my best bet. I was looking for an assistment on my training. I have relatives that have used Test400 and have seen amazing results, both in strenght and gains, although his body was allready at the bruce lee stage by gods gift, i would say he just got bigger and stronger. And as for me really lifting or training... no.

 

[OneBreath]

One sensible linear approach to weight loss is to do 1 thing at a time and get that tuned in. If you were to go hire an expensive coach, they would get your diet in order, then decide on training, then consider supplements. In that order.

If you throw the kitchen sink at this then you never have any idea what is working and what isn't. So i would work on the diet until you lose 1 or more lb a week, 2 weeks in a row. Then you know diet is in check. Then training. Keep doing what you are doing now in the meantime until you get those successfull 2 weeks in a row. Once that's done, then pick a solid training program with years of proven results. 5x5 is one of the best to get started with. Go into the lifting forum for details on this program.

Then and only then, once you feel comfortable with the diet and training, seeing changes in the mirror (scale might not change now that you are lifting), then consider "fat burners" and other supplements.

Remember, kitchen sink = clusterfuck = typical gym goer constantly changing programs and doing bicep curls = little to no results.

 

[BigJohnD]

Really apprciate the advice man! It makes sense... I guess im all about the diet these two weeks... Ill post again later.

 

[BigJohnD]

Even though im doing a diet on my own, any chance you could give me a basic diet that is good for me regarding my age and weight, only reason, is that i have been doing this diet that i posted for about 3 weeks now, but i think im begining to plateu as they say, or either im just starting to get bored... Loosing my stomach is my number one goal! All my life ive struggled with this, and have never been really happy, im not fat, just have a gut... italian thing or whatever, i want it gone! And im willing to work for it! I just need to be put in the right direction...

 

[OneBreath]

Even though im doing a diet on my own, any chance you could give me a basic diet that is good for me regarding my age and weight, only reason, is that i have been doing this diet that i posted for about 3 weeks now, but i think im begining to plateu as they say, or either im just starting to get bored... Loosing my stomach is my number one goal! All my life ive struggled with this, and have never been really happy, im not fat, just have a gut... italian thing or whatever, i want it gone! And im willing to work for it! I just need to be put in the right direction...

Sure, i'll help out. So you're 5'11" 218, 28 years old.

I'll need to know an estimated bf%. Just ballpark.

Then i'll need you to do an experiment.

One morning wake up and eat eggs. Nothing else. No juice/milk no nothing. Water is fine. Over the course of the next few hours journal how you feel. Energy up, down, steady etc. Also make note of how long afterwards before you feel hungry.

Next day do the same thing but eat your oatmeal. Just oatmeal.

Make sure that the total calories consumed on both days match. In other words eat the same amount of calories in eggs that you do in oatmeal.

Do this and get that estimated bf% and let me know. We can go from there.

 

[BigJohnD]

Once again thank you! I was real excited so i went online and saw how to do get my bf%, so im guessing it will be in range. At the end, i have 26% bf, and i have about 50-60lbs of fat in my body.... F'n A. Im doin the experiment first thing in the morning. Ill hollar in two days.

 

[OneBreath]

Current Diet:

Meal 1: Oatmeal

Meal 2: yogurt

Meal 3: spinach and two eggs

Meal 4: 90 cal ceral bar for snack

Meal 5: chicken or tuna with salad

Meal 6: fat free sugar free puding for last snack/dessert. =)

(possible pb&j on multigrain somewhere)

Stats: 5'11", 28, 218 @ ~26% BF

That puts your lean body mass around 161 lbs

I would want your protein to be around 1.5 grams per lb of LBM which is 241 grams.

Protein has 4 calories per gram so that's 964 calories.

To maintain steady fatloss, you should eat no more than 2600 calories (bodyweight x 12).

This leaves 1,636 calories to be split between carbs and fat. How these get split up will be determined by the results of your test.

Aside from those details i would recommend 4 meals a day (one being post workout). I don't buy the 6 meal bodybuilding dogma. It's a quick way to develop insulin resistance which i'm betting you are already experiencing. It's best to let your body experience life outside of the fed state.

Meal 1: Eggs/spinach (may add oatmeal or fat here depending upon test)

Meal 2: chicken or tuna or salmon with rice or baked potato and vegetables

Meal 3: chicken or tuna or salmon with vegetables

These are your main meals. On workout days, within an hour after your workout, take in 50 grams of protein (your choice of meat/powder/etc) and have either oatmeal, rice, or a baked potato.

On non workout days, just take in the protein and maybe some vegetables.

Remember to adjust the meals to get in the necessary amount of protein (~65 grams each) and to not exceed your daily calorie limit of 2,600.

I would ditch the cereal bar and yogurt. No pb&j either until you get those lbs dropping off.

I'll be out of town until next Wed. Work on getting used to this format and i'll help you out with any questions you have when i get back. We'll probably change a few things based on your test.

Good luck!