Anavar - gains, numbness & other sides

[bassking]

Guys,

Newby here.

I'm 4 weeks into an Anavar (50mg ed) + creatine cycle (10mg ed). I am training 6 days pw - no cardio - 3500 cals per day (clean eating).

I'm 29 yrs old, 6ft, 189lbs, 12% BF

Good points:

-10lbs of lean gains
-great pumps
-strength increased 10-15%
-rapid recovery

Now for the bad:

-slight acne
-slight insomnia
-NUMB ARMS/HANDS WHILE SLEEPING

The numbness is driving me crazy, I get it even if i do not sleep on my arms. I've read a lot on these forums, and such a side effect seems common on GH, but not var??

Having read up on as much as i can, i'm trying to work out what it is, based on common trends:

-rapid muscle growth
-injury caused by heavy lifting- ie Carpal Tunnel, rotator cuff
-pinched nerve - deltoid, bicep, neck
-water retention

Has anyone else had this on var? Does it stop when the cycle stops?

I was gonna do 6 weeks, but tempted to cut it at 4 to try and see if this helps...

 

[Rachel...lol]

i'm thinking you may have herniated a disc - i was running var for about 8 weeks, and was lifting rather heavily - I unfortunately found out I have a herniated disc at L5/S1, as well as some tendon issues. This was cuasing sciatica type pain, and numbness all the way down to my feet. It is my understanding that for your arms to experience numbness or tingling, it would be in your cervical region. (which wouold be putting pressure on the nerve in that region)

I wouldn't cut your cycle short if you can stand it. I have been taking it "relatively" easier for about a week and a half post var and am not doing badly.

I'm not a doctor, just my best guess. Hope it gets better for you!

 

[notbad]

I really doubt you have a herniated dics. It sound like excess water, which causes these exact sympthom. Give it time and they should go away. Also, I hope you have real Anavar. Should be getting harder not holding water.

 

[bassking]

I hope the stuff I've got is the real deal, it is from a supposed reliable source, but since this is my first cycle I can't compare it with anything!

How does excess water cause this? Seems weird that it ONLY happens when i'm asleep...

I was originally planning to do 2 * 6 week on/off cycles, but having a rethink due to the above, thinking perhaps 3 * 4 week on/off - any thoughts/advice on this idea?

Cheers guys

 

[WinnyPumps]

I hope the stuff I've got is the real deal, it is from a supposed reliable source, but since this is my first cycle I can't compare it with anything!

How does excess water cause this? Seems weird that it ONLY happens when i'm asleep...

I was originally planning to do 2 * 6 week on/off cycles, but having a rethink due to the above, thinking perhaps 3 * 4 week on/off - any thoughts/advice on this idea?

Cheers guys

Anavar does not cause any water retention. Secondly gaining 10 pounds in 4 weeks is awesome however you should be concerned if it's legit. I guess if you eating like you say you are and stacking it with 10 grams creatine it's possible. As for the numbness I have experienced that but I don't think it's from the var. Most likely a pinched nerve or something of that sort.

 

[straitedge52]

Just for curiosity sake...is your creatine 'mono-hydrate' or "ethyl ester"? Your mention of water retention leads me to believe you are on "mono-hydrate".

 

[bassking]

Yeh, i'm using creatine mono

 

[twenty47]

i was getting super numb arms while sleeping for like 2 months straight maybe a month ago. had no idea what it was from or why it went away..

 

[Fatboy1984]

Anavar shouldnt be causing water retention. Unless Its actually Dbol. Ive heard of UGL selling Dbol cause its cheaper, as anavar. Does your face look like its ratianing alot of water? Or your hands when you put em into fists? Thats how i can tell when im retaining water.

 

[eClenbuterol]

Its the creatine i had the same thing stopped taking it and the numbness went away

 

[bassking]

I don't seem to be retaining a lot of water, and i've been using the creatine supplements for over a year with no similar issues. It just started out of nowhere one night last week...

There seem to be an endless number of possible causes for it! Most recent one i've seen is repetitive strain injury. The tendons in my wrists/arms have been sore since i've increased the lifting intensity, but not bad enough to stop me training.

Just think there must be something to it if so many lifters have the same problem!!

 

[d_rson]

Read about Nerve Compression. If you gain weight fast and hold pumps for a long time, this can cause pressure on the nerves where they pass along muscle/tendons/bones, and can cause exactly what you are experiencing. I have diabetic neuropathy, so I'm especially prone to this.

 

[bassking]

I think you could have nailed it. I think a combination of the intensive training plus rapid muscle growth is affecting the tendons/nerves. Symptoms seem to be textbook Carpal Tunnel or Radial Tunnel Syndrome.

I guess I'm gonna have to ease up on the lifting to avoid any long term injury. It's a bit of a blow psychologically, especially when the results have been so good so far.......

So can anyone recommend how I should plan my var cycles? ie Intensive, short cycles - or - Medium intensity longer cycles?

 

[d_rson]

I think you could have nailed it. I think a combination of the intensive training plus rapid muscle growth is affecting the tendons/nerves. Symptoms seem to be textbook Carpal Tunnel or Radial Tunnel Syndrome.

I guess I'm gonna have to ease up on the lifting to avoid any long term injury. It's a bit of a blow psychologically, especially when the results have been so good so far.......

So can anyone recommend how I should plan my var cycles? ie Intensive, short cycles - or - Medium intensity longer cycles?

There are specific stretching exercises and sleep techniques designed to help with nerve compression (help move the nerve in and out of the tunnel). I'd look into that.

 

[footdoc]

numbness in the arms would have to be from some sort of pathology in the neck. I am guessing a pinched nerve.

 

[zack!!!]

is it numbness or pins an needle's ? do you find your self getting pins an needle's very easily ?

 

[bassking]

it's pins and needles - don't normally have any problems with it, only since i ramped up the training intensity. I've had a couple of days rest, and it seems to be improving slowly. Don't want to lose the momentum though....

 

[zack!!!]

it's pins and needles - don't normally have any problems with it, only since i ramped up the training intensity. I've had a couple of days rest, and it seems to be improving slowly. Don't want to lose the momentum though....

i get the same thing its from putting on size rapidly it will go away after you body has become use to the new mass.. continue your cycle an training an be happy mate it mean your growing!! .. i am no doctor but i have an am currently experiencing this my self . an there are some older threads on the matter that may go into more detail .

 

[ALIN]

Guys,

Newby here.

I'm 4 weeks into an Anavar (50mg ed) + creatine cycle (10mg ed). I am training 6 days pw - no cardio - 3500 cals per day (clean eating).

I'm 29 yrs old, 6ft, 189lbs, 12% BF

Good points:

-10lbs of lean gains
-great pumps
-strength increased 10-15%
-rapid recovery

Now for the bad:

-slight acne
-slight insomnia
-NUMB ARMS/HANDS WHILE SLEEPING

The numbness is driving me crazy, I get it even if i do not sleep on my arms. I've read a lot on these forums, and such a side effect seems common on GH, but not var??

Having read up on as much as i can, i'm trying to work out what it is, based on common trends:

-rapid muscle growth
-injury caused by heavy lifting- ie Carpal Tunnel, rotator cuff
-pinched nerve - deltoid, bicep, neck
-water retention

Has anyone else had this on var? Does it stop when the cycle stops?

I was gonna do 6 weeks, but tempted to cut it at 4 to try and see if this helps...

Try some Melatonin 3mg before bed for sleep,,or some ZMA.
Ive not heard the complaints of 'numbness' really ever with ANAVAR use.

 

[d_rson]

numbness in the arms would have to be from some sort of pathology in the neck. I am guessing a pinched nerve.

If it's hands and forearms, it easily could be nerve compression in the elbow, which is VERY common with gaining alot of weight and muscle pumps. The ulnar nerve is very sensitive to this because it passes through the cubital tunnel which is mostly muscle and tendon pathways (and less bone). Extreme muscle pumps and certain exercises can actually cause the ulnar nerve to shift across the elbow unnaturally and become pinned.

 

[footdoc]

If it's hands and forearms, it easily could be nerve compression in the elbow, which is VERY common with gaining alot of weight and muscle pumps. The ulnar nerve is very sensitive to this because it passes through the cubital tunnel which is mostly muscle and tendon pathways (and less bone). Extreme muscle pumps and certain exercises can actually cause the ulnar nerve to shift across the elbow unnaturally and become pinned.

yes you are correct but if the tingling went all the way down the arm the neck or brachial plexus area is the culprit. If its mostly in your pinky finger and a few fingers next to it then it is the ulnar nerve. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[bassking]

thanks guys, that's some good feedback!

I'll see out the last 2 weeks of the course and power through the sleep disruption and numbness issues