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dumbell150

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I smell the propane already, fellas hold up on the flaming. I started ALA 5 weeks ago, and stayed on for 3 weeks and ran out. I noticed after the first week that i would loose all vascularity and some energy, and felt flat. But i gave it a second chance, maybe it wasnt the ALA!...I waited for a new shippment of ALA from some one cold. So after cancelling my order, i got some 500mg caps and started 2 weeks later. In between those two weeks i regained my vascularity and felt full and hard for the two weeks. I then started my new ALA cycle this time uping the dosage to app 4000 mgs a week....Well its sucks, lost vascularity, flat and YES my skin does look better, thats about it. My diet has remained the same for 2 months High Protein, low carb diet.....I stopped taking ALA this sunday, its now Tuesday morning and the veins are poping out everywhere..I fell as if i just finished a great arm workout.......If im doing somthing wrong by all means enlighten me
 
Maybe it's just you, or maybe you are doing something wrong. I, for one, like the stuff. I only take 1.5-2g/day. 500 mg w/ my pre w/o meal(about 35 carbs), 500 mg's w/ my post w/o meal(50 carbs) and usually w/ 2 of my other meals, and I notice that I'm more vascular w/ in 10 minutes, and I get great pumps in the gym w/ it.
 
Him - How is your overall feeling during the day. I usually feel full and pumped during the day, thats one of the great benifits of using AS. But for some reason i go flat on ALA, dont know why. But im not the first person to comment on this and their dislike of ALA
 
dumbell150 said:
I smell the propane already, fellas hold up on the flaming. I started ALA 5 weeks ago, and stayed on for 3 weeks and ran out. I noticed after the first week that i would loose all vascularity and some energy, and felt flat. But i gave it a second chance, maybe it wasnt the ALA!...I waited for a new shippment of ALA from some one cold. So after cancelling my order, i got some 500mg caps and started 2 weeks later. In between those two weeks i regained my vascularity and felt full and hard for the two weeks. I then started my new ALA cycle this time uping the dosage to app 4000 mgs a week....Well its sucks, lost vascularity, flat and YES my skin does look better, thats about it. My diet has remained the same for 2 months High Protein, low carb diet.....I stopped taking ALA this sunday, its now Tuesday morning and the veins are poping out everywhere..I fell as if i just finished a great arm workout.......If im doing somthing wrong by all means enlighten me


I'm feeling ya completely dumbell150. I've been noticing the same effect for a month now. ALA has been the only variable in that time frame. I'm going to stop for a while to see if I regain muscle hardness and vascularity. I wish it worked for me like it does others.
 
I get too slugish off of ALA. I can't seem to stay awake.

I seem to have better cuts, vascularity while using Vanadyl.
 
Well, I can't attribute any fat loss to it, I always take the standard eca while dieting, but, the ALA(keep in mind I only take 1.5-2g/day) doesn't seem to accelerate any fat loss for me, but, I can say that I seem to be able to stay borderline ketosis while consuming about 200 carbs/day, which, is about 50 extra carbs a day for me. Dumbell, when you say flat, did you mean that your muscles are flat, or were you talking about energy levels? That makes sense to me if you were talking about energy levels. If there is a significant insulin spike, say, post-workout w/ carbs, when your insulin starts to return to normal, it would make sense that you would feel lethargic.
 
Him - The most noticble effect is muscle flatness. I had a pretty tough time working out last week, but i cant honestly say it was due to the ALA, or was it? 4500mgs per day, i thinks thats a lot. Anyway, im not taking it. I still have 3 bottle
 
I,m getting killer pumps on 2400mg ala a day, I was a little flat until I upped my carbs to about 250 grams a day. I lose belly fat a hell of a lot faster when I take 600 to 900 mg of ALA before meals. I realy believe in the stuff.
 
I just want to confirm that "I" dont like ALA, im not saying it doesnt have positive effects on others.But for whatever reason its not doing it for me...wish it did..
 
I agree talso ALA doesnt even come close to living up to the ecpectations I had for it. On 3.5 g /day. Im vascular always even while bulking so i did not see much in that area as far as my skin it actually looks worse but I attribute this to winny.
 
Him1 said:
Well, I can't attribute any fat loss to it, I always take the standard eca while dieting, but, the ALA(keep in mind I only take 1.5-2g/day) doesn't seem to accelerate any fat loss for me, but, I can say that I seem to be able to stay borderline ketosis while consuming about 200 carbs/day, which, is about 50 extra carbs a day for me. Dumbell, when you say flat, did you mean that your muscles are flat, or were you talking about energy levels? That makes sense to me if you were talking about energy levels. If there is a significant insulin spike, say, post-workout w/ carbs, when your insulin starts to return to normal, it would make sense that you would feel lethargic.

What do you have, I'll buy the rest off of you if the price is right.

jacshelb
 
i think the problem is dumbell that if u don't take enough carbs with it. (u say u are eating low carb) then what exactly is the ALA shuttling into your muscle? dick all....up your carbs when u take ALA and let it do the work
 
ALA keeps me in ketosis with 200g of carbs/day I love it. Now I just need gamebreaker to be at the gym today so I can get my ALA from him and start again! I had to stop cause I ran out after 6 days at 3000mg
 
I love ALA... i only use 1500 to 2000 mgs a day, but the effect it has had on my skin is amazing. I would always breakout post cycle and occasionally when i was off I would get outbreaks. All this is gone.

As far as vascualrity, I feel more pumped when I take about 500mg before a high carb meal.
 
dumbell150 said:
I smell the propane already, fellas hold up on the flaming.

Relax, bro. I'm just trying to help out.. I'm looking for different types of experiences with ALA to determine exactly what's necessary for optimal results.



I started ALA 5 weeks ago, and stayed on for 3 weeks and ran out. I noticed after the first week that i would loose all vascularity and some energy, and felt flat. But i gave it a second chance, maybe it wasnt the ALA!...I waited for a new shippment of ALA from some one cold. So after cancelling my order, i got some 500mg caps and started 2 weeks later. In between those two weeks i regained my vascularity and felt full and hard for the two weeks. I then started my new ALA cycle this time uping the dosage to app 4000 mgs a week....Well its sucks, lost vascularity, flat and YES my skin does look better, thats about it.

This is very interesting. There could be many reasons for this. First of all, how bad does your piss smell after taking ALA? It's possible that you may have ALA which is mostly filler.

You also mentioned nothing about the lethargy that sets in 30-45 minutes after ingesting ALA. The lethargy occurs due to glucose being ram-jetted into both muscle and fat cells. If you didn't feel any lethargy, the powder you took is definetely suspect or you were not taking enough ALA.

If I may suggest one final experiment with ALA. Buy a good name brand like Vitamin Shoppe 300mg/capsule 60 capsule bottle. It'll run you about $22. I know of at least 2 other people who have complained that some of the 500 mg ALA caps, did not have the 'bang' of 300mg capsule, their piss didn't smell, etc.

This is a similar situation to IP's 10mg anavar, which lacks the bang of the BTG 2.5 mg anavar.

ALA *is* expensive. There are many unscrupoulous people out there willing to take advantage of the demand , and in the name of a bigger profit, will give you a filler heavy, or lousy ALA.

I'm thinking that perhaps you may not have a good racemic mixture of ALA, and have the 'bad' ALA, which has a neutral or opposite effect of the 'good' ALA. The bad one, will de-sensitize your muscle cells to insulin. This would explain your lack of a pump while on it.

Also, did you say that you were taking 4000mg/week? Please tell me you meant 4000mg/day. 4000/week comes out to 571mg/day, which is about 12 times less than the amount I would suggest taking for the best results.



My diet has remained the same for 2 months High Protein, low carb diet.....I stopped taking ALA this sunday, its now Tuesday morning and the veins are poping out everywhere..I fell as if i just finished a great arm workout.......If im doing somthing wrong by all means enlighten me


Okay, in order to get ALA to work its magic, and give you incredible pumps, you must eat NOT low carb, but moderate to high carb. The carbs are absolutely necessary. You will not get a good pump if you're in ketosis and are eating too few carbs.

I'm not sure that eating low carb on ALA is necessary, since you can stay in ketosis, while having 1/2 to 3/4 lb of carbs/day.

Anyway, try having a carb drink after your workout together with 1200-1500mg REAL ALA. Make sure that you're having either a glucose or malto-dextrin based drink, about 100gms.

regards,

Rangerx83
 
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MrDbol said:
Ranger,

Which brand has the best quality ALA?

I cannot endorse any specific brand. I have and still am using vitamine shoppe ALA 300mg/capsule. I've had great success with that and don't want to fuck with it. I would use something like V.S's ALA as the standard, and compare effects of other brands of ALA with this one, to gage how they compare in terms of all effects, good and bad.

Things to compare:

-vascularity
-lethargy
-heartburn
-strength of sulfur like odor in urine

regards,

Rangerx83
 
Ranger- I will raise my carbs this monday w/ ALA and see what happens. I was taking app 4000mgs a day about 1000 w/e meal. Im using the 500 mg Caps by AN****L.com....Ranger - I do appreciate the feedback, if it works i'll be pretty damn happy to start eating carbs again. Dieting really sucks.......But my skin is nice and blemish free i;ll give ALA that much
 
1st off dumbell150 the smell is a sulfur like smell NOT propane lol

#2 if you are eating low carbs you will be flat on ALA just like on any other ketogenic diet

#3 my buddy just bought (after me advising him) Beyond A Century’s (BAC) 100mg ALA caps, and he told me he LOVES the stuff…he didn’t really know much about ALA or what it does I just told him to take it and he calls me last nite saying how hard and pumped he feels, he is taking 900mg a day..hes a veteran bodybuilder and abuot 250 at 5 foot 8 and also a chiropracter so he knows his body and he loves the stuff.

Ill be buying the bulk powder from BAC after my batch from kilosports runs out.
 
NY - I'll give it a shot. Like i said im going to raise my carbs and start off with 3000mgs per day. I'll definatly report to everyone what happens. Also, even on a modrate to low carb diet i ussually keep good vascularity and energy levels. Im anxious to raise my carbs and see what happens....NY - Know anyone from Bayside Powerhouse?
 
dumbell150 said:
NY - I'll give it a shot. Like i said im going to raise my carbs and start off with 3000mgs per day. I'll definatly report to everyone what happens. Also, even on a modrate to low carb diet i ussually keep good vascularity and energy levels. Im anxious to raise my carbs and see what happens....NY - Know anyone from Bayside Powerhouse?

I know just about everyone in the nj/ny area..all the hardcore (freaks)..but I don’t know many of them by name..just by face as I see them at all the ny/nj shows…and have bullshitted with them or seen them training.

One dude I know is boys with that short mofo, italian dude with brown hair hes like 5 5 and 260lbs and hard lol, I think he trains and strong and shapely. You know that dude? Or u don’t go near NJ?

I need to take a ride down to bayside with my buddy and train some day with u guys.


But as far as your ALA..it may be dropping your blood sugar so low and hovering you around or in ketosis and thats why you are flat.

try takign an ultrafuel b4 training with like 1500mg of ALA you should get a wicked pump in the gym.
 
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rangerx83 said:


Things to compare:

-vascularity
-lethargy
-heartburn
-strength of sulfur like odor in urine

regards,

Rangerx83

-vascularity: I have seen alot of feedback about good vascularity from these 500 mg caps

-lethargy: I myself did a little experiment yesterday with 1500 mg's which led directly to nap time

-heartburn: Once again I found a few posts on this board about strong heartburn if not taken with a full glass of water or food

-strength of smell of urine: once I woke up from the nap I was about knocked out again from the smell of my piss when I went to the bathroom

I know that the bro's on this board don't play games. And if I was trying to rip people off with an inferior product this would be the last place to pull some shit like that.

I know the product is solid. I would bet that some have even used this same manufacturer just under a different label. Lets face it, some people who use real gear sometimes don't get the result's they expect and think their shit if fake, when it's not. I believe the results you will attain are based on alot of other factors not just the ALA.
 
Ranger - NY - What do you thinks of Hucks low carb suggestion with the ALA as part of a diet he reccomended?

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dumbell150 said:
Ranger - NY - What do you thinks of Hucks low carb suggestion with the ALA as part of a diet he reccomended?



I think the 1gm a day for ALA is kinda on the low side..i take that much at one sitting...depends on your goals..you want to lose fat or are you bulking?
 
dumbell150 said:
ICEBURG - Are you ICEMAN by any chance w/ a different sign on or a friend?

NO! He(iceman) is in Canada. I(Iceburg) reside in the good ol USA. If you read the label on the bottle you will see we are located very very far south of the Canadian border.

The whole similarities between the names and/ or products is completly a coincidence.
 
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Iceburg said:

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I know that the bro's on this board don't play games. And if I was trying to rip people off with an inferior product this would be the last place to pull some shit like that.


I did not mention you by name, nor do I intend to say that *you* personally would something like this. I read some posts on this board about some people not being pleased with some of the result achieved with 500mg caps compared to other caps. I beleive that tere are several distributors of 500mg caps. Since you're a middle man, if the caps you distribute were somehow lacking, then I would say that it's whoever you got them from. But like I said, I was just reporting what some people had experienced.


I know the product is solid. I would bet that some have even used this same manufacturer just under a different label. Lets face it, some people who use real gear sometimes don't get the result's they expect and think their shit if fake, when it's not. I believe the results you will attain are based on alot of other factors not just the ALA.


Agreed, I get the best results from ip stuff. A lot of other people don't. Your mileage may vary.

Rangerx83
 
I read a post by Huck saying he was going to start 1500mg 3 times a day. This is what I'm currently doing,,they make me sleepy as fuck though,,,no heartburn because i take with food,,,and the piss is horrible,,,the one question I have is you talk about carb loading,,well how many grams are we talking about,,I weigh 190,,,take in around 350 g protein a day,,,i would say about 150 to 200 carbs,,,is this to low?????,,,oh using the 500mg caps ,,,also posted by huck as a good product
 
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rangerx83 said:
I did not mention you by name, nor do I intend to say that *you* personally would something like this. I read some posts on this board about some people not being pleased with some of the result achieved with 500mg caps compared to other caps.

Well, Dumbell 150 is using the 500's from www.anabolical.com so I just wanted to put in my .02
Another thing,yes I have seen a couple of posts where the user's weren't getting the results they expected. However, if you consider the total number of people who have used the product vs. those who were dissapointed........ that leaves about a 99% of the users satisfied or at least haven't reported bad results.
Again, just my .02
 
supernav said:
Right now i'm taking 3000mg/day, 1500 1 hour before meals.

First off... 1500 mg's 1 HOUR before meals. Man that's gotta hurt. The heartburn I mean. ALA gets into your system quick so, that should be more like a few minutes before you eat.
Taking ALA that far before your meal won't do much to help the carbs you eat.

Also depending on how many carbs you are having with these meals you could try 1000 mg's w/ 3 meals.
 
supernav said:
cool. I wasn't sure how long before a meal i should've been taking my ala. I'll try taking them now 5-10 mins b4 a meal. thanks.

-= nav =-

Why 5 or 10 minutes??? Take them WITH you food. Good luck.
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