Well, after going to vitaminworld (just to rack some brains), the gys there said Yates formulas didnt sell for shit. They were all against the Maltodex. too, but then said cytogainer was a huge hit. I looked at its ingredients and it just doesnt seem as good as Dorians. Then I found the MHP Mass, ingredients were damn good, but the dude said the taste usually is subpar.....so what are your thoughts? Make your own? How do you feel about Musclemilk?