A Reminder About Clomid and Nolvadex

[Nelson Montana]

I don't want to get into any arguments here. I'm just want to give a quick heads up. Real simple.

Clomid and Nolvadex are ESTROGENS. They occupy the receptor sites in order to prevent other estrogens to form, thus preventing gyno. (Maybe). The problem is, they have all the effects of extra estrogen -- weakness, mood swings and loss of libido.

Now some people do fine with them. That's great. But many don't and NOBODY really needs to use them with what is now available.

I've been speaking out against these drugs for over 15 years. People thought I was crazy. Now they know better. (I always preferred anti aromatases to anti estrogens. They simply work better. And even then, you need very little).

Still, there are a lot of people who follow the outdating "internet guru" thinking that was just erroneous information from the pioneers of personal pharmacology.

SO...bottom line. If you love clomid or nolva, knock yourself out. But if you're wondering what to use for PCT, I recommend avoiding them. And remember, contrary to internet rumor, they DO NOT restore the HPTA. (Please, don't post any any studies -- they're all flawed and most people don't understand them so don't bother -- I don't feel like arguing or explaining).

If you've used Clomid or Nolva and had a bad time with them, let 'em go! And go with preventing estrogen naturally and get the HTA up and running without depending on more drugs that just leave you more suppressed once you go off of them.

It's 2012 folks. Stop using 1989's PCT.

 

[hydez27]

Great thread bro


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[Youngncurious]

*clap* *clap* tell it like it is brother

 

[brownbrown]

Nelson you forgot to finish with suitable replacements

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[MADDW1214]

So then what exactly Would you recommended. I have clomid lined up for my pct and have never used it before. Suggest giving it a go? Seeing how it would affect me first?? Or really not necessary to even try at all

 

[hydez27]

Its 2011 we no longer need to rely on breast cancer drugs for pct, run some post cycle / unleashed combo from needtobuildmuscle


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[robscottflex]

Madd....did you not read what nelson said. Yes its nice that you read up on how to do a proper pct, but its outdated and old! The options that are out there are far better. If I was you id get rid of them or give them to your local clinc or someone who actually needs it. You can find a better solution if you just do a few searches and read. I have full confidence that you can obtain this information. Do the right thing and dont inject estrogens when that is exactly what we are trying to minimize. also EAT EAT EAT! good luck!

 

[RADAR]

Thanks Nelson, this thread is long past due.

 

[Typo]

I have nolva and clomid lined up for my next pct.

I know that the guys that recommend unleashed, hcgenerate and post cycle are far more experienced and knowledgeable than me but I still have trouble trying to have faith in these products and ditching nolva/clomid all together.

I'm doing 500mg of test e for 10 weeks, as I have a few times before.
I have recovered fine with nolva/clomid and have done blood work to confirm this, however I don't exactly feel the best during pct.

If I could add one of these products to my nolva/clomid pct what would you suggest?

 

[RADAR]

Post cycle & unleashed it frees up SHBG allowing morE free test ,and the best thing is the morning wood so you know its working, try getting that with clomid and nova, you would enjoy that recovery cycle

 

[Backtobasicks]

Was waiting for a thread like this... I've never used real nolva (used "nolva" to try stop some gyno getting worse but wasn't real, don't think. so nvm)
But since a simple 500/week test e cycle... I've been running unleashed, post cycle.. Along with d aspartic acid... And just recently I've been getting confused as my vains are out great... Bits down there aren't shrunk down anymore... and I'm getting decent pumps in the gym.. (went through 2 weeks after the ester cleared without anything but letro which was pain.(trying to kill gyno)

Summary... Not sure which product is working but d aspartic 3G a day, 3 unleashed pre workout or morning, 3 post cycles a day... Jeezus the overall hardness is basically back.. Feel like I'm back on without the high blood pressure. Feels great guys !!

 

[stevesmi]

i agree. Nolva is definately one i never recommend.. it made me feel like crap during pct!!! . clomid people run at too high a dose. if you run it at 12mg a day that is ample stacked with some unleashed to cover up any sides. people are running it at 100mg or 50mg and reporting major sides. when i've run clomid at 50mg i would get emotional sides but internet myths out there on internet forums dictate that its normal to go through a hellish PCT. IT DOESN"T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY!! you can run a pct that won't make you feel like shit

 

[Nelson Montana]

Was waiting for a thread like this... I've never used real nolva (used "nolva" to try stop some gyno getting worse but wasn't real, don't think. so nvm)
But since a simple 500/week test e cycle... I've been running unleashed, post cycle.. Along with d aspartic acid... And just recently I've been getting confused as my vains are out great... Bits down there aren't shrunk down anymore... and I'm getting decent pumps in the gym.. (went through 2 weeks after the ester cleared without anything but letro which was pain.(trying to kill gyno)

Summary... Not sure which product is working but d aspartic 3G a day, 3 unleashed pre workout or morning, 3 post cycles a day... Jeezus the overall hardness is basically back.. Feel like I'm back on without the high blood pressure. Feels great guys !!

One of the nice (and often overlooked) benefits of UNLEASHED is harder muscles. More strength too. That comes from lowering SHBG.

 

[deejleos]

Awesome read Nelson!! But I have noticed that many members that are outside the US seem to really rely on these drugs for PCT, I don't know if they know about these BETTer products that are available or have limited access to these OTC supps.


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[Stryker1992]

Are Post cycle and Unleashed what you suggest in liu of???

 

[Voijn]

I am a very good eksample that nolvadex ruined my sex drive, wasent able to get hard enough! I also cried all the times, and my mood went from happy to shit without reason!

Ill be feeding my trash can nolva!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Are Post cycle and Unleashed what you suggest in liu of???

Actually, I think using NOTHING is better than using Clomid or Nolvadex, but yes, the ingredients inUNLEASHED and POST CYCLE are part of what will help the transition back to recovery. And I'v been recommending them long before they were even available.

 

[rich_89]

What would you use on cycle if gyno became an issue? Surely nolva is the way to go for gyno related problems??

 

[Nelson Montana]

What would you use on cycle if gyno became an issue? Surely nolva is the way to go for gyno related problems??

Or cutting back on what's giving you gyno.

 

[needtogetaas]

What would you use on cycle if gyno became an issue? Surely nolva is the way to go for gyno related problems??

Why in the hell would that be? Estrogen goes up when on nolva, and it upregulates the progestrine receptor. Both of which proven through studies and when you come off nolva ( unless taking a extremely low does) you are always going to have a rebounding case of hyno.. You must take nolve with provirone or a suicidal aromatase inhibitor And should always end with one too. It all depends on how and why your using them but nolva is always the last choice.

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[browngear]

I especially like the part where you say, don't pay attention to the studies.... awesome

 

[theoak01]

is unleashed and post cycle available at regular nutrition stores or only via the internet. Im concerned about canada customs and shipping to my house in general as my wife will shit a brick if she knows im juicing.

I think ive saw the hcgenerate in stores but not 100%

 

[needtogetaas]

I especially like the part where you say, don't pay attention to the studies.... awesome

No ....More like learn how to read them better and understand most of them are incomplete and or not always proving much of anything. Like anyone seen one showing what happens "after" not during?

 

[needtogetaas]

is unleashed and post cycle available at regular nutrition stores or only via the internet. Im concerned about canada customs and shipping to my house in general as my wife will shit a brick if she knows im juicing.

I think ive saw the hcgenerate in stores but not 100%

Unleashed and post is in some stores not many. Hcgenerate is in a ton of stores and loo for it to be all over the damn place some time this year.

 

[theoak01]

Unleashed and post is in some stores not many. Hcgenerate is in a ton of stores and loo for it to be all over the damn place some time this year.

thanks bro,does anyone have a list of what stores carry it

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

hey Nelson. U should list what u would use and why... To explain the reasons, especially with the likes of the ais available...

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[obsessedwliftin]

First of all I wouldn't run Nolva period. It is just a crap drug. I run a PCT of post cycle/unleashed combo. Depending on the dosages run during cycle and the duration of cycle I do however low dose some clomid at the start of PCT. This PCT has yet to let me down and I will continue using it. The use of HC Generate while on drastically reduces the amount of recovery needed and keeps the boys plump as well. People can say what they want but I know what works for me. If you have gyno symptoms use Letro. Screw Nolva.

 

[gwilym]

Awesome read Nelson!! But I have noticed that many members that are outside the US seem to really rely on these drugs for PCT, I don't know if they know about these BETTer products that are available or have limited access to these OTC supps.


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Just for info I reside in the UK and Ordered post clycle/ unleashed x 2 and received it 12 days later..not bad particularly as it was just prior to Xmas

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks bro,does anyone have a list of what stores carry it

ya my store root 110 in Salisbury ma.. See you there bro..

 

[strentrainin]

Great thread. I agree. I ran nolva after my first Test cycle and I wasn't a fan. I will be running Unleashed and Postcycle along with forma for PCT after my next cycle.

 

[rich_89]

Or cutting back on what's giving you gyno.

I'm running 20mg beastdrol ed and after a week i have a small lump under my nipple.

So cutting back on that would just render the small cycle useless. Especially after a week.

 

[theoak01]

ya my store root 110 in Salisbury ma.. See you there bro..

Where is that exactly in mass? I'm going to providence next month so if it isn't too far out of the way I may swing by

 

[Nelson Montana]

hey Nelson. U should list what u would use and why... To explain the reasons, especially with the likes of the ais available...

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I don't cycle anymore but if I did, N2GUARD, UNLEASHED and HCGENerate would be a given. Depending on what you use, a little anti aromatase might be in order. Afterwards, I like a couple of shots of HCG, then start using POST CYCLE. Continue with the UNLEASHED. Follow with BRIDGE. THat is as smooth of a recovery as you;re going to get. You can actually continue making gains.

 

[gatemoney]

ya my store root 110 in Salisbury ma.. See you there bro..

WTF!
i just moved from Salisbury to PA about 2 months ago!
Your joking right?