2g Per Week of Test? Discuss....

[Showgunnz]

I have been trainging with someone at the gym who has been using 2g per week of test for probably 3 years or so and bridges with like 500 per week when he wants to cut back wich isnt very often. I have seen him experiment with HGH, insulin in addition too here and there but never really saw the gains that were worth the investment. Anyways what do you guys think from personal experience? I have always had better results from higher dosages of test but ran it with deca or EQ but never ran 2g a week by itself.

Just merely a conversation thread I wanted to start because everybody has there own theory based on personal experiences.

I have had great success with test only and addition to deca, when do you guys feel that enough is enough? i think he would see better results if he was running maybe 1.5g with 500 of deca.

Not for nothing he is under 25 years old and is usually under 10% bf, 19 inch arms, can bench 425 on a good day very vascular from head to toe, doesnt count calories just eats decent food. never does cardio, but is very persistent with his training which pay off long tern than anything else in my opinion

 

[Seattleborn206]

I have been trainging with someone at the gym who has been using 2g per week of test for probably 3 years or so and bridges with like 500 per week when he wants to cut back wich isnt very often. I have seen him experiment with HGH, insulin in addition too here and there but never really saw the gains that were worth the investment. Anyways what do you guys think from personal experience? I have always had better results from higher dosages of test but ran it with deca or EQ but never ran 2g a week by itself.

Just merely a conversation thread I wanted to start because everybody has there own theory based on personal experiences.

I have had great success with test only and addition to deca, when do you guys feel that enough is enough? i think he would see better results if he was running maybe 1.5g with 500 of deca.

Not for nothing he is under 25 years old and is usually under 10% bf, 19 inch arms, can bench 425 on a good day very vascular from head to toe, doesnt count calories just eats decent food. never does cardio, but is very persistent with his training which pay off long tern than anything else in my opinion

Does this guy compete in bb shows

 

[Sinister Minister]

In order to get any benefits from 2 G's of test one would have to build up to it. Sounds likes he's ignorant tho. Why jack that much gear if you don't compete? He's obviously gonna be trt for the rest of his life.

 

[Showgunnz]

No hes doesnt compete, but definitely could, i think he got stuck in the mindset that more is better and has trouble believing he could grow on less. I know that he didnt start off with those amounts but worked up to them rather quickly, probably within the first year or two of using aas, he has been training for quit a few years now.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

No hes doesnt compete, but definitely could, i think he got stuck in the mindset that more is better and has trouble believing he could grow on less. I know that he didnt start off with those amounts but worked up to them rather quickly, probably within the first year or two of using aas, he has been training for quit a few years now.

Well, the reality is that more is better but also that he could have grown on less. I am not a proponant of crazy dosing but anybody that thinks if you take 2 virgin users and run one guy at 2grams and the other at 500mg and that the 2gram guy won't see greater gains is crazy. BUT, if you take the 500mg guy and over 3 years gradually take him to 2grams, he won't be far behind the guy that started at 2grams (assuming everything else is equal). The other thing to consider is the quality of his gear. 2grams of low grade UG shit is not the same as 2grams of pharma grade - mostly because when a whack-a-mole UG label says 300mg per ml it's usually nowhere near that. Tell your firend to be careful though and get blood work done routinely.

 

[Showgunnz]

Well, the reality is that more is better but also that he could have grown on less. I am not a proponant of crazy dosing but anybody that thinks if you take 2 virgin users and run one guy at 2grams and the other at 500mg and that the 2gram guy won't see greater gains is crazy. BUT, if you take the 500mg guy and over 3 years gradually take him to 2grams, he won't be far behind the guy that started at 2grams (assuming everything else is equal). The other thing to consider is the quality of his gear. 2grams of low grade UG shit is not the same as 2grams of pharma grade - mostly because when a whack-a-mole UG label says 300mg per ml it's usually nowhere near that. Tell your firend to be careful though and get blood work done routinely.

very good points

 

[Sinister Minister]

Well, the reality is that more is better but also that he could have grown on less. I am not a proponant of crazy dosing but anybody that thinks if you take 2 virgin users and run one guy at 2grams and the other at 500mg and that the 2gram guy won't see greater gains is crazy. BUT, if you take the 500mg guy and over 3 years gradually take him to 2grams, he won't be far behind the guy that started at 2grams (assuming everything else is equal). The other thing to consider is the quality of his gear. 2grams of low grade UG shit is not the same as 2grams of pharma grade - mostly because when a whack-a-mole UG label says 300mg per ml it's usually nowhere near that. Tell your firend to be careful though and get blood work done routinely.

IMO if you take a virgin guy and jack him with 2 G's of gear, I don't think his body will utilize it all! He'll flood his receptors and just pass a good portion of it! Remember your body will only accept so much before it just passes it on thru. That's kinda getting off point tho!

The main problem I see with this guy is that unless he takes a yr or so off of aas and pct's to a full natural recovery (which hopefully is still possible) and then runs smarter dosages and cycles after, if he doesn't do that then he will find himself only having to keep raising dosages continuously for ever.. How long do you think your body will keep reacting the same way to 2 gs of test a week?? After 2 straight yrs do you think it will still be the same? No, I think he'll have to raise it to 3 and so on... Read the story of tantalus, he was son of Zeus and banished to learn a lesson I think we all can learn that relates to aas.

 

[stevesmi]

the problem with doing that is that just like with any drug.. if you use too much of it then it will be less and less effective.

he is gonna have organ strain from the high blood flow/RBC's.. kidney values will be sky high for a extended period of time, even when he cruises on 500mg a week that is still a high dose.

and the other problem is he is likely gonna go on TRT the rest of his life, if he ever decides to come off and try and stimulate his HPTA it will be a massive struggle, i've been a member on EF for almost 3 some years now and NEVER has anyone who was on test for an extended period of time had a success story when they decided to come off. one guy i remember wanted to come off after 15 years on and he dissapeared and we never found out how it went. (doubt it went well if he quit the site)

 

[Sinister Minister]

the problem with doing that is that just like with any drug.. if you use too much of it then it will be less and less effective.

he is gonna have organ strain from the high blood flow/RBC's.. kidney values will be sky high for a extended period of time, even when he cruises on 500mg a week that is still a high dose.

and the other problem is he is likely gonna go on TRT the rest of his life, if he ever decides to come off and try and stimulate his HPTA it will be a massive struggle, i've been a member on EF for almost 3 some years now and NEVER has anyone who was on test for an extended period of time had a success story when they decided to come off. one guy i remember wanted to come off after 15 years on and he dissapeared and we never found out how it went. (doubt it went well if he quit the site)

+1... Nuff said

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

IMO if you take a virgin guy and jack him with 2 G's of gear, I don't think his body will utilize it all! He'll flood his receptors and just pass a good portion of it! Remember your body will only accept so much before it just passes it on thru. That's kinda getting off point tho!

The main problem I see with this guy is that unless he takes a yr or so off of aas and pct's to a full natural recovery (which hopefully is still possible) and then runs smarter dosages and cycles after, if he doesn't do that then he will find himself only having to keep raising dosages continuously for ever.. How long do you think your body will keep reacting the same way to 2 gs of test a week?? After 2 straight yrs do you think it will still be the same? No, I think he'll have to raise it to 3 and so on... Read the story of tantalus, he was son of Zeus and banished to learn a lesson I think we all can learn that relates to aas.

That's not really how receptors work - if there aren't enough receptors to grab on to (for lack of a better word)the compound your body will just create more receptors. But we are in total agreement that this guy is not wise in his usage. He should have started with less - much less.

 

[Sinister Minister]

That's not really how receptors work - if there aren't enough receptors to grab on to (for lack of a better word)the compound your body will just create more receptors. But we are in total agreement that this guy is not wise in his usage. He should have started with less - much less.

You may be right about the receptors. That's just what I was taught from my advisors. I think it's 50/50 btwn people

 

[Seattleborn206]

I just feel like that guy is dumb to only be 25 running 2g of test a week and cruising at 500mg. He doesn't even compete so why the hell is he putting his body threw so much stress at a young age. Yeah I could understand if he was trying to get his pro card but he doesn't even compete so it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Sinister Minister]

I just feel like that guy is dumb to only be 25 running 2g of test a week and cruising at 500mg. He doesn't even compete so why the hell is he putting his body threw so much stress at a young age. Yeah I could understand if he was trying to get his pro card but he doesn't even compete so it just doesn't make sense to me.

Young and dumb!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

the problem with doing that is that just like with any drug.. if you use too much of it then it will be less and less effective.

he is gonna have organ strain from the high blood flow/RBC's.. kidney values will be sky high for a extended period of time, even when he cruises on 500mg a week that is still a high dose.

and the other problem is he is likely gonna go on TRT the rest of his life, if he ever decides to come off and try and stimulate his HPTA it will be a massive struggle, i've been a member on EF for almost 3 some years now and NEVER has anyone who was on test for an extended period of time had a success story when they decided to come off. one guy i remember wanted to come off after 15 years on and he dissapeared and we never found out how it went. (doubt it went well if he quit the site)

Sounds like a really healthy guy.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

How big is this guy exactly? He better be massive. Whats his weight, height, bf, etc?

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[Showgunnz]

How big is this guy exactly? He better be massive. Whats his weight, height, bf, etc?

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he is about 5'7" 225 rock solid, never goes above 11%, stays at 10% most of the time.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

he is about 5'7" 225 rock solid, never goes above 11%, stays at 10% most of the time.

That's pretty damn big man but I would expect more off that much gear!!

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[squatzilla]

Way too much gear for a non-competitive athlete @ any age. If you aint growin on 400-500 mg test per week you're doing something wrong.

 

[Showgunnz]

Way too much gear for a non-competitive athlete @ any age. If you aint growin on 400-500 mg test per week you're doing something wrong.

agreed! I upped it to 1g per week and am not seeing much more results than i do when i run 500 per week and i grow pretty easily...i just experiment from time to time. this guy actually asks me a lot what im running and has trouble believing me when i tell him 500 per week...

 

[Nelson Montana]

What's to discuss? Steroids push our boundaries. Personally, I feel the risk to benefit ratio is worth it. But at some point, common sense has to kick in. Having test levels way above normal is awesome. Having test levels that are fifty times higher is going to cause problems. That's pretty obvious. And then the risk falls way over the fence. Is slightly faster results worth poor health and potential disease? That's your choice.

 

[Tripp_Adems]

I'm with Nelson on this one, sounds like an unwise decision from someone that has maybe done lack of research therefore lack of knowledge, if he just listened to some 30yo BB people in gym that were saying go for it then he will thinking that its the norm. if I were you showgunnz I would point him in the direction of EF and pick out a few good articles for him to read, starting with this one would probably be a step in the right direction.

 

[Judo Tom]

huge health risk at that dosage for that length of time..

sad to say but he may not live a long life if he keeps this lifestyle up.. i dont want to risk messing up my heart, its a muscle, with that much gear ever.

 

[stevesmi]

good posts! i will add to what i said before and illustrate that he is in the danger zone of not ever being able to drop his dosage again and getting addicted to these types of gains.. 5 7 and 225 at 10% body fat is a ripped and massive MF. i wonder how he feels on a day to day basis. how he sleeps, if it is exhausting walking his dogs a half mile. weighing that much for that height whether muscle or fat can't feel good

 

[Judo Tom]

we could go on and on about the sides and long term effects.. i feel bad for guys like this.. yeah they look like they look but there is a lot mre to life than that.. its a long ride i wanna enjoy it for all its worth

i wanna be the 75 year old dude in the gym that people are asking: "I wonder how long he has been at it" "I wonder what he used to lift" etc etc