250 mg test good for a first cycle

[Johnny Cut]

did exactly what you propose for 8 weeks - good for 20 pounds. no anti-e and no problems

me 2

 

[slobberknocker]

Slider, I'm still waiting to hear why you think test only cycles are bad.

 

[Realgains]

250 is double what you produce naturally....but don't train like in those glossy BS Weider mags recommend...train like a natural bro and get lots of sleep and good food and you will do well.

Have nolva on hand and don't forget the cloimd post cycle.

RG

 

[Miracle Man]

you will see modest results, your young so your natural test levels are most likly in good shape and the extra test will bring you over the top. Yes have anti e around just in case.

 

[Slider]

Test only at 250mg/wk is weak since the esters, like Enanthate and Cypionate, take up part of the weight of a labeled dose of test. The esters vary, but around 23% or so of the total weight of let say 1000 mg of test Enanthate will only have about 770 mg of test and 230 mg of the ester.
So if you can understand the above you will probably be able to figure out the calculation for 250mg/wk of established Test.

From all past experiences it’s just weak and why most guys keep 75% of the gains from that kind of cycle is that they did do the right think and run Clomid and some HCG, but had a good natural test level before the cycle.

Slider

 

[ironmaster]

Let's think about this once. The average male produces the equivalent of 100mg. test per week. This guy is young, so he may be slightly higher. The exogenous test shuts down natural production, so you trade off 100mg. for 100mg. This leaves you with only a 50mg advantage, at 150mg once the drug reaches serum levels.
My opinion.......more is better. Make that first cycle memorable.

 

[Darko]

for people that have done a similar light cycle and gained 20 odd pounds, how much did you weigh beforehand. I've already gained 45 lbs natty

I started at 230, and ended at 260. I am 6'4 and started training 6 yrs before my cycle at a weight of 150lbs at the same height. So I gained around 80lbs naturally.

 

[chanmanfoo]

i think 250-300 mgs is very reasonable for first cycle. my first consisted of test cyp two 150 mg shots a week for eight weeks. had both nolva and clomid on hand and ended up using neither. i was 20 years old at that time 185lbs, after eight weeks 215lbs, waited a couple weeks and when it was time to start my clomid i did not feel that shut down so i kept pushing it back. over the next one year + i lost ten lbs until next cycle. i think obviously everyone is different but i think more people are probably capable of big gains without such high doses but they never give themselves a chance to find out by starting out with such large doses, and then upping the dose so much every cycle that they cant gain off of less than a gram. i dont want to start another clomid good clomid bad thread but i have many cycles under my belt and have never once used the stuff. i honestly think some people need it, but many do not.
foo

 

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, I beg to differ. The average healthy male produces 50-70mgs of Test a week. Ask any urologist and he'll confirm it. I did. Some guys produce above this amount, but nothing more than 75-80mgs of Test, tops.

 

[rjl296]

Guys, I beg to differ. The average healthy male produces 50-70mgs of Test a week. Ask any urologist and he'll confirm it. I did. Some guys produce above this amount, but nothing more than 75-80mgs of Test, tops.

thats what i thought too