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Whats the deadliest martial arts.?
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Buy a gun. The most accomplished in any martial artist in any art is at a grave disadvantage against multiple attackers. Your best bet in hand to hand only multiple attacker confrontations is probably some kind of art that allows you to get space and run. Since you kickbox try complimenting it with Judo or Greco-Roman wrestling.
rediculus
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1v1 with less than 20 feet between you and a skilled fighter the gun loses on draw and fire tests. My favorite is hwarang do for people that relied on a boxing type format. A it teaches you a ton of throws joint locks and is well versed (father art of Tae Kwon Do) in kicks and punches.
Hwarang do Short of Shaolin and Tai Chi styles is probably the most comlete martial art. Although it is not nearly as fluid as Kung Fu it's effective...Extremely effective...and fairly ruthless...youtube search Hwa Rang Do
Hwarang do Short of Shaolin and Tai Chi styles is probably the most comlete martial art. Although it is not nearly as fluid as Kung Fu it's effective...Extremely effective...and fairly ruthless...youtube search Hwa Rang Do
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Heath82
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pressure point fighting, i forget the tecnical term for it.
Where can I find these "tests". You wouldn't run or freeze if you saw some guy 10 feet away pointing a gun at you? You would just lunge at him knowing the results of these "tests" with the confidence that you wouldn't wind up with a slug in your chest?
Knoxfan
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I've been fighting for a long time......i would agree with zero of the answers above. 1 on 1 fighting....no other martial art beats Krav Maga. Period. Its something I would love to learn, but you take some major punishment in the process. The regular bumps I take doing jitz and kickboxing is enough! Well shit, you should know that being a kick boxer. Nothing like shin on shin action.
holden636
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I would have to agree that Krav Maga has to be the most dangerous martial art as actually applied in a combat setting (according to the Israeli army). However, it seems very difficult to learn.
How about Sambo?
Knoxfan
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Sambo has its spot...i do like the tossing and rolling to a subission. Its basically a mix between judo and jitz. In a ring Sambo can be the shit. But, how many street fights to you hip toss someone to the ground and shoot for a triangle or heel hook? lol....know what i mean? The Krav Maga is hard as hell to learn unless you are prepared to get the shit kicked out of you. If you find a studio or gym that teaches it without getting your ass kicked, its not the real form. I know the basics of it which is use everything you can to defeat your opponent or, to disable someone with a weapon very quickly Which includes eye gauging, kicking, tossing, spitting, whatever it takes. Basically if you get really good at it, no matter what size you are you dont have to worry about anyone fucking around with you. lol!
SMASHING MACHINE
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combat sambo.
rediculus
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Krav magra is a really interesting modern martial art. For my taste I prefer martial arts that can be practiced for a lifetime without scarring bones joints tendons. yes it's effective however other than the fight dirty mentality it's not proven itself to be any more lethal hand to hand combat than any form of martial art. It has a different mentality and that's the limit of the advantage imho.
compare that the the fighting styles of Korea, Japan, Brazil, China and you'll see fighting systems that were designed to fight wars hand to hand. (Shaolin monks fought off multiple attackers with knives swords and spears.. Yes their dedication was second to none not to simplify the Monks ability.)
21 foot rule is something I was taught in the military and after the military in personal security. If the gun is already drawn and aimed..no your not going to beat his finger. The trial or test is can you draw and fire a shot before I can get to you with a knife or punch. The answer is no! Look it up and you'll find information.I know most people believe that a gun wins all but surprisingly it's relatively slow to draw and aim.
First look up how many shots are typically fired in a fire fight and how many typically hit any targets.(I don't include targts shooting at cars with 100 rounds they might as well just throw a grenade inside but hey..
Then look up how many police officers have been shot with their own gun from an unarmed assailant.
Mui Thai is extremely effective 1v1 but you don't see it in mma for a reason. Tae Kwon Do and Mui Thai and boxing among several other sports are very limited in their attack methodology.
UFC and MMA fighters are good tough guys with solid conditioning and a well trained punch. Good wrestling basics,2 kicks to their repetoire and a desire to be famous.
The most lethal fighters in the world aren't allowed to use their normal attacks in UFC and MMA type fights. WHy? because most of those attacks were originally designed to be maim and destroy, which is why you don't see their styles/tactics or disciplines represented in MMA and main stream media.
P.S. the reason I don't watch the MMA stuff and UFC stuff anymore is...well..watching 2 guys spend 5 minutes rolling around on the floor wrapped up in each others legs to try and get the other one to tap out? Now female greased pig wrestling!! that's a sport
compare that the the fighting styles of Korea, Japan, Brazil, China and you'll see fighting systems that were designed to fight wars hand to hand. (Shaolin monks fought off multiple attackers with knives swords and spears.. Yes their dedication was second to none not to simplify the Monks ability.)
21 foot rule is something I was taught in the military and after the military in personal security. If the gun is already drawn and aimed..no your not going to beat his finger. The trial or test is can you draw and fire a shot before I can get to you with a knife or punch. The answer is no! Look it up and you'll find information.I know most people believe that a gun wins all but surprisingly it's relatively slow to draw and aim.
First look up how many shots are typically fired in a fire fight and how many typically hit any targets.(I don't include targts shooting at cars with 100 rounds they might as well just throw a grenade inside but hey..
Then look up how many police officers have been shot with their own gun from an unarmed assailant.
Mui Thai is extremely effective 1v1 but you don't see it in mma for a reason. Tae Kwon Do and Mui Thai and boxing among several other sports are very limited in their attack methodology.
UFC and MMA fighters are good tough guys with solid conditioning and a well trained punch. Good wrestling basics,2 kicks to their repetoire and a desire to be famous.
The most lethal fighters in the world aren't allowed to use their normal attacks in UFC and MMA type fights. WHy? because most of those attacks were originally designed to be maim and destroy, which is why you don't see their styles/tactics or disciplines represented in MMA and main stream media.
P.S. the reason I don't watch the MMA stuff and UFC stuff anymore is...well..watching 2 guys spend 5 minutes rolling around on the floor wrapped up in each others legs to try and get the other one to tap out? Now female greased pig wrestling!! that's a sport
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Krav Maga, Kajukenbo, Hawaian Lua, Kempo, Hwarang Do, Eagle Claw Kung Fu, Aikido, Wing Tsun, Russian Systema, all good to manipulate soft tissues, small joints and finish up real quick but also very hard to learn because kickboxing over the years has built a strong mindset within you.
Knoxfan
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Personally I disagree with this, considering I see jits as a beautiful art form. When you have a wrestler who is laying on a someone, it becomes extremely boring. The "lay and pray" tactic has brought a very bad name to mainstream mma. However, when two good jujitsu technicians are rolling, its becomes very interesting to watch to me.
I do in fact agree that the athletes involved in main stream mma (i.e.dream, ufc, etc) are not the "toughest" men on the planet. In a ring environment, the toughest man or woman doesnt always win. It comes down to who an manipulate the judges through scoring, ko's, or submissions.
iM leaning toward Krav Maga.. I hope its offered near me./
rediculus
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Aikido is my second favorite...does that make me completely insane? Or well 3rd but finding a legitimate Southern style SHaolin instructor is next to impossible. ps I agree on the Jits back in the gracie days it was pretty impressive watching what some of those guys were doing. Today it's like watching 2 drunks fight that are to lazy to really go at it.
I didn't see Aikido mentioned as an option. A little curious to what people think about that style other than myself.
Sorry Krav doesnt impress me I should probably research more but it seems like organized pit fighting.
I didn't see Aikido mentioned as an option. A little curious to what people think about that style other than myself.
Sorry Krav doesnt impress me I should probably research more but it seems like organized pit fighting.
Check my post. I mentioned Aikido.
SofaGeorge
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Any martial art is good.
The reality of the world is 99.9% of the time if you get in a fight you are going up against an untrained opponent. People piss and speculate... but the reality is there aren't a lot of ninja out there looking for a fight. What you really get is a nuts homeless guy, or a barroom drunk who thinks he is a bad ass, or some crack head trying to grab a purse... and none of them know jack. They don't train. They don't know how to throw a punch. And they go down in less than 5 seconds.
Simply studying anything teaches you to coordinate your body so that you can fight more effectively. I see guys all the time dis one style and praise another... but in the real world I've seen people knocked out by every style of martial arts there is.
It doesn't matter what you practice. It just matters that you do practice.
The reality of the world is 99.9% of the time if you get in a fight you are going up against an untrained opponent. People piss and speculate... but the reality is there aren't a lot of ninja out there looking for a fight. What you really get is a nuts homeless guy, or a barroom drunk who thinks he is a bad ass, or some crack head trying to grab a purse... and none of them know jack. They don't train. They don't know how to throw a punch. And they go down in less than 5 seconds.
Simply studying anything teaches you to coordinate your body so that you can fight more effectively. I see guys all the time dis one style and praise another... but in the real world I've seen people knocked out by every style of martial arts there is.
It doesn't matter what you practice. It just matters that you do practice.
rediculus
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I Agree with that wholeheartedly. Just being able to take a punch can scare most people that don't get what it means to feel a really good solid bone jarring Crunch into the skull.
Tatyana
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I am training Penjak Silat right now and I love it. It is a multi opponent system and I find it highly intuitive.
I have heard that it is quite similar to Krav Maga.
There is a martial arts/boxing shop that has just opened on my little high street, and the chaps that own it are lovely and train Wing Chun.
He told me a funny story the other day.
One of his students was out on the lag and several lads decided they wanted to fight him.
All he did was assume a fighter's posture and they all backed off.
If someone says they want to fight, I am hitting the Karate Kid posture.
I have heard that it is quite similar to Krav Maga.
There is a martial arts/boxing shop that has just opened on my little high street, and the chaps that own it are lovely and train Wing Chun.
He told me a funny story the other day.
One of his students was out on the lag and several lads decided they wanted to fight him.
All he did was assume a fighter's posture and they all backed off.
If someone says they want to fight, I am hitting the Karate Kid posture.
rsnoble-im-back
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Sorry bro, maybe 5'. LOL. If you're 19'away ill blow your mother fucking head off. No contest. Game over. Have a nice day.
Ok enough said... most deadly martial art makes no sense... Some arts were created by little guys for little guys to be able to beat bigger guys... It's a individual thing some arts are good for people with small frame, others for large individuals, other for flexible and fast people etc etc etc...
So a martial art can only be deadly if the person applying it fully MATCHES it's principles. So it's really a subjective matter...
So a martial art can only be deadly if the person applying it fully MATCHES it's principles. So it's really a subjective matter...
rediculus
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The scary part is large people that train to be very fast..I think JKD and Shaolin are surprisingly adaptable for people with larger frames. Same with Muay Thai
Bro measure out 19 feet. Actually..before your John Wayne self even goes that far Mr Doc Holladay...
Look up the information...Google the worlds knowledge at your finger tips occasionally means you should search for something other than boobs
lol jk
and ya 20 foot rule is for real. My speed tests were 4.3 seconds to draw fire 2 rounds at 2 seperate (gapped 10 feet target 15 inch square) and one 25M target. first 2.5 -3 seconds is easily draw time. It is well documented how easily someone can be overcome before they can draw. And before your e ninja skills get too insane it's also well documented of the number of fire fights there have been. Including firefights with trained personel. How many of those shots actually hit anything....Percentage is below 1 percent if I remember correctly. I charge you reach first 6 feet is one step and my arm 2 more running steps and I'm full charge with 1 arm already on your gun hand my elbow in your throat OR knive in between your ribs.
Bro measure out 19 feet. Actually..before your John Wayne self even goes that far Mr Doc Holladay...
Look up the information...Google the worlds knowledge at your finger tips occasionally means you should search for something other than boobs
lol jk
and ya 20 foot rule is for real. My speed tests were 4.3 seconds to draw fire 2 rounds at 2 seperate (gapped 10 feet target 15 inch square) and one 25M target. first 2.5 -3 seconds is easily draw time. It is well documented how easily someone can be overcome before they can draw. And before your e ninja skills get too insane it's also well documented of the number of fire fights there have been. Including firefights with trained personel. How many of those shots actually hit anything....Percentage is below 1 percent if I remember correctly. I charge you reach first 6 feet is one step and my arm 2 more running steps and I'm full charge with 1 arm already on your gun hand my elbow in your throat OR knive in between your ribs.
Big_Joe
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Kids really.
Guns are good for what they are good for but they are not the end all and be all of fighting. I have a friend that is an IPSC Class "A" shooter. He's very fast with a pistol. I told him that he can have a pistol pointed at my head and if he is within my circle I can disarm him before he can pull the trigger. I did it ten out of ten times. And that's not draw and fire that with the pistol pointed at me.
Generally under pressure people will miss. Saw a thing on TV about a real life event. A cop was going into a store. A bad guy the cop knew was coming out. They saw each other over the hood of a car. They both pulled their pistols and started firing across the hood of the car. Both emptied their pistols ( that's thirteen rounds each) and nobody was hit. The Army did a study to compare rounds fired to rounds that hit. They came up with 1000 rounds fired to get 7 rounds that hit. If that is the standard ratio you have to fire 143 rounds to expect one hit. It's small wonder 13 rounds didn't hit a guy over the hood of a car. And for all you target range warriors remember what Bruce Lee said "boards don't fight back" The same goes for paper targets.
The Marines use a laser system on their rifles to play war games. They thought it would be fun to go up against the local paint ball club. They got their asses handed to them. This pissed them off so they got their shit together and did it again. They got their asses handed to them again. They realized their laser system didn't prepare them for having something actually coming at then. Even if it was only a paintball. The internal fear of being struck, you can see the paint ball coming at you, was causing their minds to forget their training. Winning in a fighting is in controlling your mind.
The best way to control a group of people is to control their minds. Of course this means you have to be in control of your own. And from what I've seen here I don't think there are many here that can do that. To control your own mind means to control your emotions as well as not having fear. ( for all of you that got piss off at what I just said have no control of your mind ) and so ends the lesson.
Guns are good for what they are good for but they are not the end all and be all of fighting. I have a friend that is an IPSC Class "A" shooter. He's very fast with a pistol. I told him that he can have a pistol pointed at my head and if he is within my circle I can disarm him before he can pull the trigger. I did it ten out of ten times. And that's not draw and fire that with the pistol pointed at me.
Generally under pressure people will miss. Saw a thing on TV about a real life event. A cop was going into a store. A bad guy the cop knew was coming out. They saw each other over the hood of a car. They both pulled their pistols and started firing across the hood of the car. Both emptied their pistols ( that's thirteen rounds each) and nobody was hit. The Army did a study to compare rounds fired to rounds that hit. They came up with 1000 rounds fired to get 7 rounds that hit. If that is the standard ratio you have to fire 143 rounds to expect one hit. It's small wonder 13 rounds didn't hit a guy over the hood of a car. And for all you target range warriors remember what Bruce Lee said "boards don't fight back" The same goes for paper targets.
The Marines use a laser system on their rifles to play war games. They thought it would be fun to go up against the local paint ball club. They got their asses handed to them. This pissed them off so they got their shit together and did it again. They got their asses handed to them again. They realized their laser system didn't prepare them for having something actually coming at then. Even if it was only a paintball. The internal fear of being struck, you can see the paint ball coming at you, was causing their minds to forget their training. Winning in a fighting is in controlling your mind.
The best way to control a group of people is to control their minds. Of course this means you have to be in control of your own. And from what I've seen here I don't think there are many here that can do that. To control your own mind means to control your emotions as well as not having fear. ( for all of you that got piss off at what I just said have no control of your mind ) and so ends the lesson.
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Heath82
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bottom line, if someone pulls a gun on you, your screwed. if someone has a gun, but hasnt pulled it yet, you can attack them before they can pull it out. however, i can pull my spring assisted kershaw and have it locked out in under 2 seconds... you can train krav maga all day, but when it comes down to it, i bet i can stab you ass a few times. just sayin
rediculus
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lol Saibot the documents he is bringing up are well documented. most police that are shot are shot with their own guns. People try to aim at a moving target that thought takes time to react. in RARE cases they are fast enough. (people who train in live fire type environments) Krav Magra is over rated imho but it is pretty rough stuff.
The problem with Martial Arts is not the art itself.
The problem is everyone wants to be a bad ass in 3 months or 6 months. A true martial artist dedicates his entire life to the art of war. That is someone to fear and no you have no idea what he looks like. Because he's not in MMA or UFC or bragging about hitting a heavy bag for 700 ft lbs of force. He's just dedicated and unshakable. It irritates me sometimes you hear these people talk about the "mystical old martial arts" being out dated...The art itself is more relevant now than they can imagine. You don't fight in horse stance...You train your body and mind over years. Gradually becoming a weapon heart mind and soul. BUT these fuck sticks wanna be called a badass in 3 weeks. So they go to some LA Boxing gym or Muay Thai gym that some over glorified egomaniac runs with his trophies. Train for 4 months and wear United Studio of Self Defense T Shirts. Oops I mean "Boxing" or whatever T Shirts.. They have no idea the dedication it takes to get these martial arts to a reflexive state. Where it truly becomes a part of your natural movement.
The problem with Martial Arts is not the art itself.
The problem is everyone wants to be a bad ass in 3 months or 6 months. A true martial artist dedicates his entire life to the art of war. That is someone to fear and no you have no idea what he looks like. Because he's not in MMA or UFC or bragging about hitting a heavy bag for 700 ft lbs of force. He's just dedicated and unshakable. It irritates me sometimes you hear these people talk about the "mystical old martial arts" being out dated...The art itself is more relevant now than they can imagine. You don't fight in horse stance...You train your body and mind over years. Gradually becoming a weapon heart mind and soul. BUT these fuck sticks wanna be called a badass in 3 weeks. So they go to some LA Boxing gym or Muay Thai gym that some over glorified egomaniac runs with his trophies. Train for 4 months and wear United Studio of Self Defense T Shirts. Oops I mean "Boxing" or whatever T Shirts.. They have no idea the dedication it takes to get these martial arts to a reflexive state. Where it truly becomes a part of your natural movement.
Hey there are some good shooters out there, are you willing to sacrifice your life just to check if the guy pointing you a gun is good at it? I know I wouldn't... having a real gun pointed at you is really different from paintball... If a robber has a gun he is not coming from 100m away pointing a gun at you, he just surprises and period.
Most people posting here are assuming that thieves are just retarded and don't know how to use the gun, overconfidence kills bros.
Most people posting here are assuming that thieves are just retarded and don't know how to use the gun, overconfidence kills bros.
Hey me too! I even would make him shoot himself in da balls. LOL
rediculus
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lol the gun goes off..the heat and feeling of flame on your jubblies...the ringing in yours ears...lol would shit themselves jump and start handing you their wallet and watch. Ending off with the suddenly becoming religious and posing up the Spectacles testacles wallet n watch!
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Spartacus
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marshall studies after WWII
in a 40 man platoon in a firefight
half didn't fire at all
out of the other 20 only 2 effectively fired their weapons
rediculus
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Taiji Quan I can't say I have heard of but I just looked up a little. I see its' related ti Tai Chi? Those are surprisingly effective for the duration of your life. benefits in overall sense of well being reflexes speed and endurance are incredible. Qi Gong is another I haven't studied much about. I did take Southern Style shaolin for a year and a half under Grandmaster Lu. A very interesting guy lol. I to this day even among asian men haven't met someone so quiet. My Parents took Tai Chi from him. I miss roots style Shaolin training more than I care to say. I don't care about lethal. My speed reflexes and flexibility. Overall Athleticism was through the roof when I was studying. And really all i was doing was repeating 18 exercises over and over lol.
Kali/Escrima. Its one of the few arts that still remains true to its original combative history. You learn weapons simultaneously with empty hands. I've been doing martial arts for over 24 years and have yet to find a style that's more effective in real situations on a regular basis. Were I to choose a single art to study, it would be Kali/Escrima without hesitation.
Look at it this way. How many other styles will have instructors with knife scars from actual death matches?
Kickboxing is great for basics, which is what the majority of fighting actually is. Any grappling (Sombo, JiuJitsu, Wrestling) art will be mediocre at best against multiple attackers. A traditional art (Hwa Rang Do, Shaolin, Tai Chi) won't really compliment your kickboxing training very well. Pressure point fighting (Ryukyu Kempo, etc.) is good, if you have a couple decades to dedicate to it. Krav Maga is good but its the method of training, not the techniques. Its very basic but trained at a high intensity. Like I said, I would suggest Kali/Escrima, but make sure you find a credible instructor and not someone that's just arbitrarily swinging a stick around.
Look at it this way. How many other styles will have instructors with knife scars from actual death matches?
Kickboxing is great for basics, which is what the majority of fighting actually is. Any grappling (Sombo, JiuJitsu, Wrestling) art will be mediocre at best against multiple attackers. A traditional art (Hwa Rang Do, Shaolin, Tai Chi) won't really compliment your kickboxing training very well. Pressure point fighting (Ryukyu Kempo, etc.) is good, if you have a couple decades to dedicate to it. Krav Maga is good but its the method of training, not the techniques. Its very basic but trained at a high intensity. Like I said, I would suggest Kali/Escrima, but make sure you find a credible instructor and not someone that's just arbitrarily swinging a stick around.
I saw a couple of articles years back about the "dog brothers" and some real pics about their training with Kali/Escrima impressive stuff indeed, but also nuts, it all depends how bad you want it!
The Dog Brothers do Pekiti Tersia Kali. There are thousands of "styles" of Kali in the world, but its all in how you train. That's why Krav Maga, being fairly basic, is so effective. It's the intensity level you train at.
See, the thing with grappling (JiuJitsu, etc) is that you can essentially train "full contact" all the time. You stop when your partner taps out. There are not many striking arts that allow you to train as close to "all out" as possible. The nice thing about Kali/Escrima is that its full of drills that can be done at high speed with heavy contact. Mind you, these are drills and not sparring. They build on one another and translate directly into sparring though.
I could honestly probably list over 100 different styles with pros and cons for each of them. I just think Kali/Escrima is the most well-rounded, true to itself, and quickly learned. At least, of the many styles that I've personally come across.
Todd
The Dog Brothers do Pekiti Tersia Kali. There are thousands of "styles" of Kali in the world, but its all in how you train. That's why Krav Maga, being fairly basic, is so effective. It's the intensity level you train at.
See, the thing with grappling (JiuJitsu, etc) is that you can essentially train "full contact" all the time. You stop when your partner taps out. There are not many striking arts that allow you to train as close to "all out" as possible. The nice thing about Kali/Escrima is that its full of drills that can be done at high speed with heavy contact. Mind you, these are drills and not sparring. They build on one another and translate directly into sparring though.
I could honestly probably list over 100 different styles with pros and cons for each of them. I just think Kali/Escrima is the most well-rounded, true to itself, and quickly learned. At least, of the many styles that I've personally come across.
Todd
Yeah I agree that to becoming real good at it, you have to be underpressure of real hits, cuts and bruises after all on a real fight there's no protective gear, or time to think about what you are doing, by training "underfire" the response will be automatic and more effective!
wills_got_rythm
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PPCT (Pressure Point & Control Tactics)
Most deadly i'd hve to say "Mexican Judo"
Judo know if I gotta gun, Judo know if I gotta knife, judo know if my vatos are around the corner...
Judo know if I gotta gun, Judo know if I gotta knife, judo know if my vatos are around the corner...
Orale pinch guey.
Tough question... As far as multiple attackers i would have to go with aikido... sounds funny but steven segal in his prime was a bad muther... look him up on you tube... 4-5 guys at once..doesnt take that long to break an arm and after that the guy is done... i would also have to say ninjitsu... not the guys dressing in black pj's but the assasins... not the strongest or fastest but the most technical... all about one hit one kill.. pressure points are a biatch...
Walt Lysak created a martial art that utilizes tactics such as ball crushes and eye gouges. Walt Lysak's Academy of Mixed Martial Arts | Your Number 1 Choice for Family Martial Arts and Fitness | "Do Not Compromise On Reality!". I think he may have shifted his emphasis to MMA though in light of it's recent popularity. I used to train with an MMA guy who had high praise for Walt, so I assume that Walt is for real.
strictly poontang
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Rex Kwan-Do, hands down. End of argument.
That sounds reasonable to me. The element of surprise would be key though.
I know absolutely zero about any martial art, but I'm well trained and well practiced with my carry of choice, a Glock 30 (subcompact 45acp) and I know quite well how long it takes to draw, accurately aim, and fire my weapon. Factor the impact on aim during stress situations and the surprise element of not expecting a bad guy to even try a move like, and I can see a fast, evasive opponent having a good chance of closing 20ft before I could put one in him.
I had to draw my weapon on three bad guys once, and even the baddest freeze when they are confronted with someone who's stance, manner, and eye contact suggest they are willing and able to shoot you if you move an inch. I think very few armed people would expect someone from that distance to bolt forward, weaving and dodging.
rediculus
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It's a proven fact a knife will own you at 21 feet or less if you are trying to draw and fire in a high stress situation.
Walking my stride is roughly 30 inches almost 3 feet I break out into a run and that's probably close to 5 or 6 feet maybe 4 steps? Including a 28 inch arms reach to grab the weapon you are not moving closer to me by pointing it. Don't need to dodge just straight at them focused on one hand on the weapon other into the throat with a piercing weapon
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I'm gonna throw a brick in the machien
Wing Chun
Walking my stride is roughly 30 inches almost 3 feet I break out into a run and that's probably close to 5 or 6 feet maybe 4 steps? Including a 28 inch arms reach to grab the weapon you are not moving closer to me by pointing it. Don't need to dodge just straight at them focused on one hand on the weapon other into the throat with a piercing weapon
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I'm gonna throw a brick in the machien
Wing Chun
If I wanna go to jail for life, I'll use a gun, even tho I'm trained in the civilian and the security version of krav maga.
If I'm doing doors, I'm using wrestling and a street-modified kind of BJJ. No evidence = no court-case
If I'm outnumbered, I'll call for back-up and try to stall with talking, make sure I don't get surrounded and try to keep my distance.
If stalling doesn't work, I'll just go berserk but I'm still very much fucked.
If I'm injured and can find out their names or where they live, my lawyer will get me a new Porsche.
If I run into a bullet or a knife, I die a honorful death.
If I'm doing doors, I'm using wrestling and a street-modified kind of BJJ. No evidence = no court-case
If I'm outnumbered, I'll call for back-up and try to stall with talking, make sure I don't get surrounded and try to keep my distance.
If stalling doesn't work, I'll just go berserk but I'm still very much fucked.
If I'm injured and can find out their names or where they live, my lawyer will get me a new Porsche.
If I run into a bullet or a knife, I die a honorful death.
Are you high? Muay thai and BJJ are pretty much a must in the mma world. I can not belive you just said "you dont see it in mma for a reason".
You are probably one of those people that belives in wing chun/akido/chi bullshit. For fucks sake, hit a gym and learn somthing.
If its a proven fact you should have no problem getting a link to back your claim right?
OMFG WING CHUN I knew it LOLOLOLOL.
The dealiest is Kuk Su Won. It is a korean form that was trained to the special forces during Vietnam. That is where Hapkido and akido came from when they removed the death strikes. It is still taught around the united stated, but most of the people who trained in Kuk Su Won, don't fight to win, they only use it in a death like situation. Krav Maga is probably the most brutal, but it is also used to stike and retreat and always to keep yourself safe against 2 or 3 fighters.
ArmaniAK47
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"Ak-47 now nigga, stop that! Cement shoes, now I'm on the move..."
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ArmaniAK47
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I totally disagree..
I volunteer with the police and know you are ALWAYS allowed to defend yourself.. at least here in the US..
If 5 guys try and stomp my ass, I'm shooting some of them. Even two people..
The cop I work with most often says if he is off duty and there are two people trying to beat his ass.. If he knows one could grab something to hit him in the head with while he is wrestling with the one guy he is done fore.. He says he's going to shoot them.
He isn't hostile or aggressive.. He just tells it like it is..
He also says you have to be alive to get tried for that..
(meaning instead of getting his brains stomped out he'd rather take the court case and shoot if he is in over his head.)
As cool as it sound, you really don't want to regularly train a "Deadly" martial art. You want to be able to defend yourself, maybe kick some ass in a bar fight. You fight as you train, and if you regularly train to kill people, and you get in a scuffle, you'll see your family on visiting days for he next 10-20 years. That being said, moving on to my personal opinion section, the single best "street" martial art is Muay Thai (using "boxing" hands). But in and of itself its not a complete martial art - use it as your base, then supplement it with some grappling (BJJ, Judo, Sambo), and some more street oriented techniques (Paul Vunak, a JKD guy, has some great stuff), some knife and gun defenses (Krav Maga is second to none for gun defences)and then, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL - what do you do when some beligerent A-hole gets in you face? Do you just flat out hit him? Maybe get in a fighting stance, not the worst thing to do in that situation? Stand face to face with him, all bad-ass, but of course then you have no idea if he is going to just throw the first punch (or kick or knee) dropping you right then and there, fight over? Your adreniline is pumping, your hands are shaking (not from fear, just adreniline, but it sure feals like fear), tunnel vision starts, you're vulnerable to wide shots, haymakers, stuff you've trained defending hundreds of times in your martial arts class but might not see coming now, how do you deal with that?
Every serious martal artist should have a more then passing acquantaince with Geoff Thompson and his "fence", IMHO the most important martial art training almost never taught in any martial art setting.
Every serious martal artist should have a more then passing acquantaince with Geoff Thompson and his "fence", IMHO the most important martial art training almost never taught in any martial art setting.
spase
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Try hapkido, it is "real world" street kickboxing, close combat and effective against several opponents
Nomadic Dreamer
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I was thinking the same thing you are thinking.
I find it funny when a guy talks about maneuvers that aren't allowed in MMA....yeah, I know how to scratch and claw out eyes too....doesn't make me some efficient machine of combat....It makes me a dirty fighter (which is perfectly okay in the street, in my opinion, but still a dirty tactic and can be learned in the 4th grade fight you had at recess)
I'd prefer if some guys didn't talk matter of factly about stuff like muay thai when they obviously don't know much about the subject. For starters, the original style of muay thai known as mae may muay thai was designed for the thai army for combat in the field. They utilized weapons and destructive techniques designed to maim and destroy.
OBVIOUSLY these techniques would never be allowed to be used in competition...that makes no sense to even have to mention it.
Jennsfitness
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Actually it's not. The hardest bone is in your face (skull). The heel and the elbow are the hardest 'striking' bones.
You can't throw elbows if your getting choked out or if your caught in an arm bar. Stand alone, it's BJJ.
You can't throw elbows if your getting choked out or if your caught in an arm bar. Stand alone, it's BJJ.
rediculus
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Really? Muay Thai or Muay Boran is no different than the other martial arts you think are laughable.. lol hit a gym? Muay simply means Boxing Boran is the ancient sport of boxing Muay thai is modern word used for the art of 8 limbs
I've trained (and currently train in Muay Thai) Muay Thai, Shaolin Southern style, Kenpo, and Hwarang Do.
So teach me o wise Sensei what exactly is it that an equal weight MMA fighter is going to do that would Kill someone like Bruce Lee or Daniel Inosanto? Absolutely nothing. How would BJ Penn stand up to the Israeli Army soldiers trained in Krav Maga or SS or US Special forces trained in Lethal combat? How would he? He wouldn't he'd be carried out in a box...
I am currently training with Team Oyama which is an MMA gym however I train specifically Muay Thai. I will also train in BJJ soon because really you can't ever learn enough...
Muay Thai is the highest casualty rate sport in the world..Not BJJ or Pride fighting or UFC.... You are talking sport if you read the title of the post it is most Lethal... Sport means you take out the Lethal components so it is survivable.
In short...I've hit a gym or 2 and trained at a gym or 2..You obviously don't understand the core of what a martial art is designed to do. My educated opinion would be weighted towards those martial arts you think are laughable. Wing Chung and Jeet Kun Do
Academy780
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Muay Thai is a sweet art and knowing it makes you that much more dangerous. The name alone is scary!
InGreatShape
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Muay Thai is really one lethal martial art out there! Seeing the training alone looks very nasty and hard but the results is satisfying.
Academy780
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True. So go out and do it and stop dreaming.
I think "deadliest" is extremely subjective. I learn sword techniquess in karate.
I could cut off your head with a samurai or puncture your lungs with kamas...
I also could kick you in the head hard enough to knock you out for minutes, and then proceed to strangle you while you're out cold. An easy kill...
I could punch you in the throat and you would choke within a couple of minutes. A single strike to your death...
See, I could list several very real world practical things from just one art that would kill your opponent with one strike.
Fighting for sport with a particular art is one thing. Applying it to the extent of death upon another is something else.
If you're just going for the K.O or T.K.O, then several different arts, when performed at their highest level, are nearly equal anyways, in striking I mean.
In muay thai, it seems to me that it is a highly offensive art. Kicking or striking something as hard as you can and kill the other guy before he kills you while taking blows, but getting him first.
I am not big on the knowledge of muay thai, but is self defense (I mean practical stuff) even taught? For example, if a guy bear hugs you from behind and locks your arms down, a roundhouse or an elbow is impossible to throw. So, how do you get out? Do you learn this kind of stuff, or do you just kick the shit out of banana trees until your legs are without sense?
Jiu jitsu is very practical if someone jumps your from behind and takes you down in a street fight. Snapping an elbow, wrist or ankle, blowing out a shoulder or knee, or a nasty choke are all very effective ways to dismantle your opponent.
In sport, it is equally as effective. But, if you are a BJJ guy that can't hit worth shit, and you can't seem to take the guy down, you're gonna get fucked up.
They all have pros and cons, and any art can easily kill an opponent if you know what you are doing.
To me, saying "muay thai is the best" or "Tae Kwan Do sucks" etc is really an uneducated thing to say.
Now, someone who knows a vast amount in several of these arts, and has mastered the skills, will certainly be a more difficult opponent and that person will also know that there are things to be taken from all arts to be formulated into the most optimum combination of skills for defending oneself or to just kick some ass if someone is talking shit to your family or something.
I could cut off your head with a samurai or puncture your lungs with kamas...
I also could kick you in the head hard enough to knock you out for minutes, and then proceed to strangle you while you're out cold. An easy kill...
I could punch you in the throat and you would choke within a couple of minutes. A single strike to your death...
See, I could list several very real world practical things from just one art that would kill your opponent with one strike.
Fighting for sport with a particular art is one thing. Applying it to the extent of death upon another is something else.
If you're just going for the K.O or T.K.O, then several different arts, when performed at their highest level, are nearly equal anyways, in striking I mean.
In muay thai, it seems to me that it is a highly offensive art. Kicking or striking something as hard as you can and kill the other guy before he kills you while taking blows, but getting him first.
I am not big on the knowledge of muay thai, but is self defense (I mean practical stuff) even taught? For example, if a guy bear hugs you from behind and locks your arms down, a roundhouse or an elbow is impossible to throw. So, how do you get out? Do you learn this kind of stuff, or do you just kick the shit out of banana trees until your legs are without sense?
Jiu jitsu is very practical if someone jumps your from behind and takes you down in a street fight. Snapping an elbow, wrist or ankle, blowing out a shoulder or knee, or a nasty choke are all very effective ways to dismantle your opponent.
In sport, it is equally as effective. But, if you are a BJJ guy that can't hit worth shit, and you can't seem to take the guy down, you're gonna get fucked up.
They all have pros and cons, and any art can easily kill an opponent if you know what you are doing.
To me, saying "muay thai is the best" or "Tae Kwan Do sucks" etc is really an uneducated thing to say.
Now, someone who knows a vast amount in several of these arts, and has mastered the skills, will certainly be a more difficult opponent and that person will also know that there are things to be taken from all arts to be formulated into the most optimum combination of skills for defending oneself or to just kick some ass if someone is talking shit to your family or something.
Landospike
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Why does it need to be the 'deadliness'? You don't need to kill someone to defend yourself.
In some cases, yes you do.
Landospike
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Interesting. Name one?
DevilDawgCoop
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Xyngi/Bagua is what I would go with. Last I heard the 21 foot rule was changed to 30 feet and it was being tested thoroughly in Florida. Thats what I read b4 deploying back to Iraq last year.
I'd have to say the deadliest martial arts are:
Stealth Bomber Pilot Training
Nuclear Submarine Fire Control Officer Training
ICBM Fire Control Officer Training
Training in these martial arts would give one the ability to kill millions of people in minutes. Even if they all do Krav Maga.
Stealth Bomber Pilot Training
Nuclear Submarine Fire Control Officer Training
ICBM Fire Control Officer Training
Training in these martial arts would give one the ability to kill millions of people in minutes. Even if they all do Krav Maga.
HAHAHAHA! with you on that one.
personally my belief is you can be as hard as you want, it aint the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog,
crazy always wins in a fight..
With soc-ital behavioral changes, one does not see 1 on 1 combat that often, in the case where one is being attacked in a robbery perhaps, mugging instance...
but in home invasion, or bar/street fight
I'd never rely on anything that required me to take it to the ground, you are asking to be attacked and dog piled..
With soc-ital behavioral changes, one does not see 1 on 1 combat that often, in the case where one is being attacked in a robbery perhaps, mugging instance...
but in home invasion, or bar/street fight
I'd never rely on anything that required me to take it to the ground, you are asking to be attacked and dog piled..
Jeet Kune Do
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Muai Thai, Krav Maga,any of the 'brutal' or kill zone arts. Its more of the person than art. A palm to the nose will kill a man, so Krav Maga has science to it. But, you get guys like Mas Oyama who are simply above and beyond the style they practice and still can kill.
alwayzquikwayout
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Russian Systema is pretty practical in real fighting situations simliar to Krav maga but easier to learn... On the ground I think its proven BJJ. Standing Thai boxing with a Close combat fighting system like krav maga and brush up on traditional boxing and your goooooood toGO. But they are ALL useless if you cant stay CALM and let your emotions and rage take over,, u will lose.
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bull shit
InGreatShape
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I think the most deadliest martial art is Jeet Kune Do. It was found by Bruce Lee and commonly use in movies he played. The skill is mainly involved in punching, kicking, grappling, and trapping. It is a simple, efficiency and a direct martial art.
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i cant believe that Abraham Lincoln had many failures in life maybe he believes in the saying try and try until you succeed...and there he redeemed his self.
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i cant believe that Abraham Lincoln had many failures in life maybe he believes in the saying try and try until you succeed...and there he redeemed his self.
greenpatch
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it depend on th person first each fights diff and must learn what best for em.i know mma guys tht get ther ass kicked outside of th ring ilmo every time tht happens,i been in th game and most wont work in th street ,if i had my say i ll go with chin na joint lock/ripping bacis kicks,basic punches know when to hit n wher.also to know iron tech so u can learn to get hit.just my two cents,but it up to th person if he ready and able to fight,sad fact is most will only fight weaker r light people and in greater number,and to save feeling i,m not goingto say who alway doing th robbing of people,just b smart dont gop to bad places r do bad things and u should have a good life and treat people right and most ;lickly they ll treat u th same
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ALIN
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There are many forms of the arts that can be deadly if applied properly.
tylersburden
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gun fighting lol
tylersburden
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??? Tekken??
bluflame
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Any style that is not taught just in a scoring point of view, Tae Kwon Do for example is very artistic and looks cool but not nearly as practical in the real world of self defense as many of the truly combat forms. I am partial to Taijutsu, but of course that is just my viewpoint. Disabling an opponent and a good pair of running shoes are the best scenario in a defensive situation. Disable may have to be all the way till death, so you must be prepared to go that far, but certainly not looking to use fatal force.
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In 1860 THE MAN THAT CALLED HIMSELF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS ELECTED 16TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
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InGreatShape
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Aikido is a Japanese martial arts developed by Morihei Ushiba as a synthesis of his martial studies, philosophy, and religious beliefs. Aikido is often translated as "the Way of unifying (with) life energy" or as "the Way of harmonious spirit." Ueshiba's goal was to create an art that practitioners could use to defend while also protecting their attacker from injury.
Aikido is performed by blending with the motion of the attacker and redirecting the force of the attack rather than opposing it head-on. This requires very little physical strength, as the aikidōkamomentum using entering and turning movements. The techniques are completed with various throws or joint locks. Aikido can be categorized under the general umbrella of grappling arts. (aikido practitioner) "leads" the attacker's
Aikido is performed by blending with the motion of the attacker and redirecting the force of the attack rather than opposing it head-on. This requires very little physical strength, as the aikidōkamomentum using entering and turning movements. The techniques are completed with various throws or joint locks. Aikido can be categorized under the general umbrella of grappling arts. (aikido practitioner) "leads" the attacker's
lance_wininger
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Of course another great thing here
Hellawulf
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I don't know about deadlist, but from my perspective after having done Tang Su Do and Kick Boxking, and now doing BJJ, I think Ju Jitsu is the most pratical It teaches you how to escape an attacker from any angle and how to think your way through a fight rather than just react. Staying calm when attacked is half the battle, then the technique would finish it off in your favor.
