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Running is one of the things I do but it is not the only thing. I like training for strength and more importantly I like training to look good. I am not after sheer mass like many here (respect the goal and dedication - just not my thing). More of a physique build - the look good naked plan.

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Tren has never effected my cardio.

I should add that I don't do a lot of cardio.. and if I do.. it is walking on a treadmill with an incline at 3 mph.
 
Great thread. I don't know why I didn't follow it before. Again, makes me rethink my next cycle which was gonna be a 16weeker with primo. Question, after week 8 do we go pct or dropping to cruise doses to week 20. How low should we bring the doses? My next cycle was going to b primo/mast/EQ/test for 16 weeks
 
NegroPops said:
Tren has never effected my cardio.

I should add that I don't do a lot of cardio.. and if I do.. it is walking on a treadmill with an incline at 3 mph.
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My cardio is a 10+ mile run through trails in the woods with inclines, turns, creeks, etc. several times per week. The next race I'm running is a marathon distance obstacle/trail run (my first ever at that distance).
 
RickRock13 said:
No, I actually had no idea about it. I know there are diminished returns on cycle generally after 6-8 weeks, but thought that was pretty much from the body trying to reach homeostasis and normalizing itself along with deregulating androgen receptors. Never really heard myostatin brought up before.
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I hope you guys don't mind a woman jumping in. I've read this thread all the way through. Very informative.
Regarding the above, is this true for women as well? Are 6-8 week cycles the best way to cycle? I did notice on my last NPP run I saw the biggest gains around week 7-9, then not much after, strength increased but not much (if any) muscle mass.
 
CML0915 said:
I hope you guys don't mind a woman jumping in. I've read this thread all the way through. Very informative.
Regarding the above, is this true for women as well? Are 6-8 week cycles the best way to cycle? I did notice on my last NPP run I saw the biggest gains around week 7-9, then not much after, strength increased but not much (if any) muscle mass.
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I would assume this would be true regardless of gender.
 
CML0915 said:
I hope you guys don't mind a woman jumping in. I've read this thread all the way through. Very informative.
Regarding the above, is this true for women as well? Are 6-8 week cycles the best way to cycle? I did notice on my last NPP run I saw the biggest gains around week 7-9, then not much after, strength increased but not much (if any) muscle mass.
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No, I don't mind. That is an excellent question regarding women and we don't really know. It appears, your cycled stalled at week 9, so my educated guess would be yes it does pertain to women.
 
NegroPops said:
Tren has never effected my cardio.

I should add that I don't do a lot of cardio.. and if I do.. it is walking on a treadmill with an incline at 3 mph.
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I'm on a 100 mgs ED right now and I do two 2 Hr cardio sessions a day at a moderate pace like it is nothing. I don't know where that nonsense came from.
 
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Really great thread that I wish i would have been following longer... One thing i have learned that has enabled my success is that you can never learn too much and there is ALWAYS more things to learn that can help or improve general circumstances... I would like it if we could kick around some ideas i had if you have time later bro... I will pm you tonight when i get home... Really great thread and look forward to your insight
 
dylangemelli said:
Really great thread that I wish i would have been following longer... One thing i have learned that has enabled my success is that you can never learn too much and there is ALWAYS more things to learn that can help or improve general circumstances... I would like it if we could kick around some ideas i had if you have time later bro... I will pm you tonight when i get home... Really great thread and look forward to your insight
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Thanks, bro. I was wondering when you were going to get your ass in here :). Sure, we can definitely talk anytime. I'll be in and out all night. Glad you are aboard!
 
ledhead said:
Thanks, bro. I was wondering when you were going to get your ass in here :). Sure, we can definitely talk anytime. I'll be in and out all night. Glad you are aboard!
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Im in bro! =). I have so much going on buying a new house etc so my time on here is always on the fly but im in bro =). Look forward to talking with you!
 
CML0915 said:
I hope you guys don't mind a woman jumping in. I've read this thread all the way through. Very informative.
Regarding the above, is this true for women as well? Are 6-8 week cycles the best way to cycle? I did notice on my last NPP run I saw the biggest gains around week 7-9, then not much after, strength increased but not much (if any) muscle mass.
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Sorry, I missed this question. Yes, 8 week cycles are the best because like I said, or the article says is that Myostatin will stall a cycle at week 8. We have known this for years, that's why myself and my circle of friends stay on all year.

Now, I don't know what your objectives are, so I will speculate that you just cycle. There are some things we can do to extend a cycle past week 8 but it will only be extended maybe three weeks for more LBM gains.

First, you could add a more anabolic compound at week 8, but you being a female and already take NPP I'm not quite sure what you would be able to add that's more anabolic that would not give you adverse effects.

We also add an oral around week 7, which will give another 2-3 week extension but that would be it, that cycle is history after that.

Also, believe it or not, creatine is known to combat myostatin to a degree. Therefore, my suggestion to you would be add anavar with creatine at week 7, that should give you another 2-3 weeks of LBM gains. Moreover, anavar and creatine have a good synergistic effect together, so this might be your ticket.
 
ledhead said:
Sorry, I missed this question. Yes, 8 week cycles are the best because like I said, or the article says is that Myostatin will stall a cycle at week 8. We have known this for years, that's why myself and my circle of friends stay on all year.

Now, I don't know what your objectives are, so I will speculate that you just cycle. There are some things we can do to extend a cycle past week 8 but it will only be extended maybe three weeks for more LBM gains.

First, you could add a more anabolic compound at week 8, but you being a female and already take NPP I'm not quite sure what you would be able to add that's more anabolic that would not give you adverse effects.

We also add an oral around week 7, which will give another 2-3 week extension but that would be it, that cycle is history after that.

Also, believe it or not, creatine is known to combat myostatin to a degree. Therefore, my suggestion to you would be add anavar with creatine at week 7, that should give you another 2-3 weeks of LBM gains. Moreover, anavar and creatine have a good synergistic effect together, so this might be your ticket.
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Eventually I'd like to compete in Physique. Right now that goal is probably a good 2, maybe even 3 years away. I am having surgery and will be out of the gym for at least 4 months, no heavy lifting anyways, but after that it'll be non stop muscle building time. Maybe a mini cut here and there for bikini seasons. But like i said, main goal is building.
Right now I don't have any desire to try any other injectable than NPP. My next cycle I had planned was NPP, anavar and possibly HGH, I'm under 30, I'm not sure it would even be worth it at this point.
. So are you saying don't start the Var until around week 7, drop the NPP And continue for a few more weeks on just Var and creatine? Or could i do both until week 7, drop NPP, then up the Var dose?
 
Quite a bit of information on here, changes a few things about what knowlege I had about proper cycling. I had a cycle in mind for this winter, I will list my stats and goals:

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185lbs
12% BF

The cycle I had in mind was to make quality gains but not to blow up, keep the dosages of the compounds low. I really want to give EQ a shot and this was going to be a 20 week cycle, with transdermals, including transdermal tren as a kickstart. I am going to be natural for a while, and figure I will be bellow 10% BF and put on a little more mass before this cycle. Diet and training is on point.

Weeks 1-7 Superdrol (Transdermal) @ 25mg ED
Weeks 1-20 EQ @ 500mg EW
Weeks 1-20 Test E @ 250mg EW
Weeks 8-13 Tren (Transdermal) @ 50mg ED (350mg EW)
Weeks 11-20 Tren E (inject) @ 400mg EW
Weeks 14-20 Winstrol (Transdermal) @ 50mg ED

But with some of the things I have read here, I am not to sure anymore. I take It maybe I can keep the superdrol and EQ as planned but run the Tren for only 8 weeks instead of 12, and start the test at the same time as the tren. You have been helpful in the past, wondering if you can help me out with this layout.

Thanks bro!
 
CML0915 said:
Eventually I'd like to compete in Physique. Right now that goal is probably a good 2, maybe even 3 years away. I am having surgery and will be out of the gym for at least 4 months, no heavy lifting anyways, but after that it'll be non stop muscle building time. Maybe a mini cut here and there for bikini seasons. But like i said, main goal is building.
Right now I don't have any desire to try any other injectable than NPP. My next cycle I had planned was NPP, anavar and possibly HGH, I'm under 30, I'm not sure it would even be worth it at this point.
. So are you saying don't start the Var until around week 7, drop the NPP And continue for a few more weeks on just Var and creatine? Or could i do both until week 7, drop NPP, then up the Var dose?
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Yes, start the var and creatine at week 7 and run it through week 11, and drop the NPP. No, don't up the var dose because that will cause your body to combat Myostatin even more. Remember, what goes up must come down.. The faster it goes up the faster it goes down!
 
lithium1189 said:
Quite a bit of information on here, changes a few things about what knowlege I had about proper cycling. I had a cycle in mind for this winter, I will list my stats and goals:

24
185lbs
12% BF

The cycle I had in mind was to make quality gains but not to blow up, keep the dosages of the compounds low. I really want to give EQ a shot and this was going to be a 20 week cycle, with transdermals, including transdermal tren as a kickstart. I am going to be natural for a while, and figure I will be bellow 10% BF and put on a little more mass before this cycle. Diet and training is on point.

First, lose the transdermals because IMO they are worthless. Second, you missed crucial points that I already posted. A 20 week cycle is worthless. Do an 8 week cycle then cruise until week 20, then the cycle will start to baseline again at week 20, hence at the 20 week mark you can go back on a full blown cycle from there on..

Weeks 1-7 Superdrol (Transdermal) @ 25mg ED
Weeks 1-20 EQ @ 500mg EW
Weeks 1-20 Test E @ 250mg EW
Weeks 8-13 Tren (Transdermal) @ 50mg ED (350mg EW)
Weeks 11-20 Tren E (inject) @ 400mg EW
Weeks 14-20 Winstrol (Transdermal) @ 50mg ED

But with some of the things I have read here, I am not to sure anymore. I take It maybe I can keep the superdrol and EQ as planned but run the Tren for only 8 weeks instead of 12, and start the test at the same time as the tren. You have been helpful in the past, wondering if you can help me out with this layout.

Thanks bro!
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Run whatever compounds you want for 8 weeks, then insert the tren at week 8 for some more LBM gains for a couple more weeks because it is more anabolic then the other compounds you mentioned. Again, even adding the tren at week 8 that cycle is done within a couple weeks..
 
ledhead said:
Yes, start the var and creatine at week 7 and run it through week 11, and drop the NPP. No, don't up the var dose because that will cause your body to combat Myostatin even more. Remember, what goes up must come down.. The faster it goes up the faster it goes down!
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Thanks!!
 
Everything that was laid out by Led makes absolute perfect sense and is backed all the way... This is such valuable information and is going to help many of us enhance everything we are doing and get the maximum out of our hard work... Thanks for the great info bro... It is greatly appreciated and I can't wait to utilize this method...
 
so.. what is being suggested is this per say.. instead of running 12+ week cycles. Just 2 blasts with a cruise in between.. then PCT after that?

1-10 Cycle
11-20 Cruise
21-30 Cycle

and then PCT? Correct?
 
NegroPops said:
so.. what is being suggested is this per say.. instead of running 12+ week cycles. Just 2 blasts with a cruise in between.. then PCT after that?

1-10 Cycle
11-20 Cruise
21-30 Cycle

and then PCT? Correct?
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No... the cycle is

1-8... you can add an oral 8-11 if you want as well...
9-19 cruise
20-40 cycle
cruise 2-3 months

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Alrighty then.. so this layout is more for blasting and cruising, and not really for coming off at all. So if I did not want to choose the path of TRT quite yet, it would be best if I stuck to shorter, 8-10 week cycles?

I am not quite ready to buy into this entire philosophy yet. I plan on running a 16 week cycle this fall, an all out bulk. I plan to log it as well. I think I will get official, accurate monthly measurements of my LBM to see what kind of gains are really being made. And if there is really a significant drop after the 2 month mark. I feel that I have still made gains in my lean mass in the previous longer cycles I have ran. But that is just based on the mirror, scale, and strength gains.. with no real proof of actually gain in muscle. Would be nice to put an actually number on things.
 
hurricane said:
ledhead lets calm this down in here.this is the aas section. No need to make posts about banging chicks on this site and then on top of it, not expect people from around the board to come in here and start hijacking the thread.Lets keep this on track and i will be forced to close this thread and that would be a shame because it is an awesome thread

thank you
hurricane
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I recommend a sticky :)
 
dylangemelli said:
No... the cycle is

1-8... you can add an oral 8-11 if you want as well...
9-19 cruise
20-40 cycle why is this cycle part 20 weeks ? would it not be 8 weeks again, and then another cruise for 12 weeks and then back on for another 8 ?
cruise 2-3 months

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I ^^ am confused a little as well now bro ?
 
notjake11 said:
So at week 20 you cam continue on cycle indefinitely with no myostatin issues? No longer limited to 8 weeks?

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No, not as long as you stay on it will stay baseline from there on. If you get off then you start from scratch.
 
ledhead said:
At week 20 it should stay at baseline from then on. Unless you raise the doses again.
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You say "unless you raise dosages" and At week 20 it technically starts another blast, so doesn't myostatin start rising from there again since you just came off of a 12 week cruise and you ARE raising doses starting that week?
 
RickRock13 said:
You say "unless you raise dosages" and At week 20 it technically starts another blast, so doesn't myostatin start rising from there again since you just came off of a 12 week cruise and you ARE raising doses starting that week?
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I know this stuff is more confusing than Russian Calculus.

Yes, week 20 you can go back to "full cycle." According to the study and our experience NO, Myostatin will not be a factor at this point and the cycle will baseline from there on UNLESS you raise doses then Mystatin gets back into the picture because of acceleration of the gene activity causing increased protein synthesis, which your body will signal myostatin to slow it down.

If you don't raise doses at this juncture of the cycle then your body gets used to the new level of activity and combats myostatin.

Don't ask me why the human body reacts to steroids this way..

The bottom line, stay on full cycle full time or do like what has already been mentioned.
 
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ledhead said:
I know this stuff is more confusing than Russian Calculus.

Yes, week 20 you can go back to "full cycle." According to the study and our experience NO, Myostatin will not be a factor at this point and the cycle will baseline from there on UNLESS you raise doses then Mystatin gets back into the picture because of acceleration of the gene activity causing increased protein synthesis, which your body will signal myostatin to slow it down.

If you don't raise doses at this juncture of the cycle then your body gets used to the new level of activity and combats myostatin.

Don't ask me why the human reacts to steroids this way..

The bottom line, stay on full cycle full time or do like what has already been mentioned.
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Ok...gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Would you recommend cycling like this for a younger guy under thirty or someone with less than 5 cycles under his belt? Or should a guy just stick to shorter cycles and forget about the whole cruise
 
ledhead said:
Pre-comp Cycle:

Weeks 1-4

1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs EOD
2). Test Suspension 100 Mgs ED
3). NPP 100 Mgs EOD
4). Mast 100 Mgs EOD
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs EOD
6). Var 60 Mgs ED
7). Halo 50 Mgs Pre-workout. I pulsate it.
8). Slin 20 IUs ED
9). HCTZ 25 Mgs ED

Weeks 4-8

1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs ED
2). Test Suspension 150 Mgs ED. I will drop it 7-10 days out from contest.
3). NPP 100 Mgs ED
4). Mast 100 Mgs ED
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs ED
6). Var 100 Mgs ED
7). Halo 75 Mgs ED. I still pulsate it.
8). Slin stay at 20 IUs ED. I will drop it about 7-10 days out from the contest.
9). HCTZ 50 Mgs ED.

Note: I upped my doses at the 4 week mark because of adaption and to reach a peak plasma concentration at the most crucial time.

Note: I dropped the Test 7-10 days prior to contest to prevent any chance of unnecessary water retention, and also dropped the slin at the same time for the same reason.

Note: I upped my HCTZ the last 4 weeks to smash all water retention; I will be able to eat a little more so I can hold as much muscle as possible..
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Wow! What an awesome cycle, Ledhead. You all that, baby :)
 
Svenman19 said:
Would you recommend cycling like this for a younger guy under thirty or someone with less than 5 cycles under his belt? Or should a guy just stick to shorter cycles and forget about the whole cruise
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Cycle like what? Don't know what your goals are. Like I said, do 8 week cycles or just stay on. Pick your poison..
 
stevesmi said:
gonna stick this.. if an admin disagrees they can always unstick it.. think this thread is too valueable not to.
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Yeh baby!
This deffo deserves a sticky!
Prob most informative thread iv ever read! Plenty of knowledge in these pages!!!!!
:):):):)
 
stevesmi said:
gonna stick this.. if an admin disagrees they can always unstick it.. think this thread is too valueable not to.
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Awesome! I wonder if MA is still compiling some of the info spit out in this thread. Could make for a good reference guide
 
Hi led, after reading this thread iv come up with a cycle incorporating the info iv read. Wat you think?

1-4 npp 600mg. Week
1-4 winny 350mg week

5-8 npp 800mg.
5-8 winny 350mg week

Cruise 9-20/ 200mg test.

20-28 repeat blast.
29 cruise or pct.

This look bout right?

Usual cycle precautions will be taken, dos, n2gaurd an AI if needed.
 
Ifonly said:
Hi led, after reading this thread iv come up with a cycle incorporating the info iv read. Wat you think?

1-4 npp 600mg. Week
1-4 winny 350mg week

5-8 npp 800mg.
5-8 winny 350mg week

Cruise 9-20/ 200mg test.

20-28 repeat blast.
29 cruise or pct.

This look bout right?

Usual cycle precautions will be taken, dos, n2gaurd an AI if needed.
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Looks good to me except for the PCT, leave that out because all that will do is complicate things. But the rest is money if that's how you want to run it.
 
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Jbranken said:
Awesome! I wonder if MA is still compiling some of the info spit out in this thread. Could make for a good reference guide
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He will be around. He just sent me some pictures; he's freaky. Besides I need him around because I need him to express me some mast, I'm running low. Lol..
 
ledhead said:
Looks good to me except for the PCT, leave that out because all that will do is complicate things. But the rest is money if that's how you want to run it.
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Cool. Thanks led.
Im not intending to cruise for rest of my life this was just a thought on a long cycle that's why I added the PCT at the end of the second blast.
Thanks again.
 
RickRock13 said:
I'm going to have to get him to show us some updated pics. MA is a beast, and I can't imagine what he looks like now!
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Put it to you this way. I'm scheduled to post pictures in the next two weeks for a certain Mod's birthday. I'm sitting at 245 probably 4% BF (don't use calipers) and I'm a little nervous that he will show-up that day posting up pictures, and I'm not trying to be funny. He is sick looking!

Remember, I designed his cycle and coached him the whole way :). Dude is awesome!!!
 
Ifonly said:
Hi led, after reading this thread iv come up with a cycle incorporating the info iv read. Wat you think?

1-4 npp 600mg. Week
1-4 winny 350mg week

5-8 npp 800mg.
5-8 winny 350mg week

Cruise 9-20/ 200mg test.

20-28 repeat blast.
29 cruise or pct.

This look bout right?

Usual cycle precautions will be taken, dos, n2gaurd an AI if needed.
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Sorry bout all the questions but got one more. If, and I'm only speculating here before anyone goes mad. If slin was incorporated into the cruise period would this effect myostatin baselining at week 20?
 
Ifonly said:
Sorry bout all the questions but got one more. If, and I'm only speculating here before anyone goes mad. If slin was incorporated into the cruise period would this effect myostatin baselining at week 20?
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Led is the pro here, but I imagine introducing slin would help you continue to gain during your cruise without disrupting your off time so you can still blast at week 20..
 
rustilldown said:
Led is the pro here, but I imagine introducing slin would help you continue to gain during your cruise without disrupting your off time so you can still blast at week 20..
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Thanks for the input buddy. Lets see what led thinks too. Or anyone else?
:)
 
ledhead said:
Put it to you this way. I'm scheduled to post pictures in the next two weeks for a certain Mod's birthday. I'm sitting at 245 probably 4% BF (don't use calipers) and I'm a little nervous that he will show-up that day posting up pictures, and I'm not trying to be funny. He is sick looking!

Remember, I designed his cycle and coached him the whole way :). Dude is awesome!!!
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Damn, in that case I'd be curious to see both of you guys' pics. 4% is no joke! Hell, I thought I was ripped right now at 6%.... Guess not..lol. Are you stepping on stage soon, Led? I can't imagine holding that condition for very long. I was around 4.5% for my contest in march, but I held that for maybe a week tops.
 
Ifonly said:
Sorry bout all the questions but got one more. If, and I'm only speculating here before anyone goes mad. If slin was incorporated into the cruise period would this effect myostatin baselining at week 20?
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I guess you could but I don't recommend it during a cruise because the objective is to clear your receptors and get them fresh again for your blast. Insulin enhances test production but who knows how much, I suppose it would not hurt using slin at a low dose. But I feel the whole point of the 12 week cruise is to get your receptors cleared without any interference so you can go crazy once week 20 hits. Honestly, I'm ambivalent about using slin during a cruise. I personally don't use it but people do...
 
rustilldown said:
Led is the pro here, but I imagine introducing slin would help you continue to gain during your cruise without disrupting your off time so you can still blast at week 20..
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I'm no pro. You do make a good argument about cruising with slin. But like I said, I'm ambivalent about it..
 
What effect if any does it have if the person running the cycle continued at blast doses past week 8? Does that delay the reset at week 20?

I am at Week 14 of a cycle I'd originally planned on running for 16 weeks based on the old theory that EQ has to be run for 16 weeks. Do I need to drop to a cruise dose for 12 full weeks to get back to my reset or does it reset at week 20 regardless?
 
RickRock13 said:
Damn, in that case I'd be curious to see both of you guys' pics. 4% is no joke! Hell, I thought I was ripped right now at 6%.... Guess not..lol. Are you stepping on stage soon, Led? I can't imagine holding that condition for very long. I was around 4.5% for my contest in march, but I held that for maybe a week tops.
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I always try to come in the shape I want to be in about a month before my show so I can see if there are things that need to be adjusted, tweaked, and changed. I recommend this strategy to everyone who competes and who is contemplating on competing. I gave you a rough estimate of my BF and YES, it is hard to contain for a long period, so I will eat what I want here and there, so I'm sure my BF fluctuates during that month until the last 10 days I really hunker down.

This past weekend I ate nothing but junk food because I felt I could afford to. We ate everything! I ate at 3 different fast food restaurants, I'm not lying, lol. I ate a gallon of ice cream and a bag of chips later on that night. I woke up with veins everywhere looking all full. I will do that during that month time period and I will also eat more. I just manipulate and tweak during that time period...

I'm supposed to hit the IFBB North American Championships August 30-31 but I'm feeling like I'm lagging in a couple major areas: quad sweep, lower back, and overall back thickness. My man checked me out and he said I'm big and tight enough but he thinks for me to do real well at that level I need to get those areas up, and agree. I'm leaning on taking a back seat this year and giving myself another year to work on those areas and get even bigger. I'm sort of disappointed because I have an astronomical amount of time and money invested but I'm not going to embarrass myself, or not so much that, I flat out want to win..

But I will let you guys see what I look like here in the next couple weeks. We can have a little picture thread and we can all post up. It will be fun.
 
notjake11 said:
What effect if any does it have if the person running the cycle continued at blast doses past week 8? Does that delay the reset at week 20?

I am at Week 14 of a cycle I'd originally planned on running for 16 weeks based on the old theory that EQ has to be run for 16 weeks. Do I need to drop to a cruise dose for 12 full weeks to get back to my reset or does it reset at week 20 regardless?
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You could stay on full cycle for duration if you have the gear. I really don't know the answer to that. I guess math does not lie, so yeah I would think cruise for 12 weeks and then start blasting.
 
ledhead said:
I always try to come in the shape I want to be in about a month before my show so I can see if there are things that need to be adjusted, tweaked, and changed. I recommend this strategy to everyone who competes and who is contemplating on competing. I gave you a rough estimate of my BF and YES, it is hard to contain for a long period, so I will eat what I want here and there, so I'm sure my BF fluctuates during that month until the last 10 days I really hunker down.

This past weekend I ate nothing but junk food because I felt I could afford to. We ate everything! I ate at 3 different fast food restaurants, I'm not lying, lol. I ate a gallon of ice cream and a bag of chips later on that night. I woke up with veins everywhere looking all full. I will do that during that month time period and I will also eat more. I just manipulate and tweak during that time period...

I'm supposed to hit the IFBB North American Championships August 30-31 but I'm feeling like I'm lagging in a couple major areas: quad sweep, lower back, and overall back thickness. My man checked me out and he said I'm big and tight enough but he thinks for me to do real well at that level I need to get those areas up, and agree. I'm leaning on taking a back seat this year and giving myself another year to work on those areas and get even bigger. I'm sort of disappointed because I have an astronomical amount of time and money invested but I'm not going to embarrass myself, or not so much that, I flat out want to win..

But I will let you guys see what I look like here in the next couple weeks. We can have a little picture thread and we can all post up. It will be fun.
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A lot of what you are saying makes a lot of sense. I noticed as I got about 3-4 weeks out, I was able to "cheat" more each week and have more leniency in my diet while maintaining my leanness. It really did bring the fullness and vascularity out later that night or the next day. I was up to 2 cheat meals a week toward the end of my prep, and it only seemed to help my progress.

I understand the layoff from competing to try and bring up the lagging areas, especially considering the level you are competing at. I really wanted to compete again this fall, but I really need more size to feel like I can compete enough and be at the top of my class, so I decided I will concentrate more on that for the next 6-9 months before deciding on a contest and starting prep.

Definitely interested in the pic thread when it gets going, and seeing your condition Led!
 
So its ok to cruise on 500mg test? If im already almost 40 and never plan on coming off anyhow?
 
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So its ok to cruise on 500mg test? If im already almost 40 and never plan on coming off anyhow?
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Yeah Dave, you can cruise at that dose. That's actually a good dose for people around our age. The blood work usually comes back normal..
 
This is my slin PWO protocol. It belongs in here instead of that other thread..


Here is how you want to do it.

Week 1. 2 IUs ED on workout days.
Week 2. 5 IUS ED
Week 3. 7 IUs ED
Week 4. 10 IUs ED

This way gives your body time to adjust and adapt to the slin without fucking yourself up. You don't want to just jump right into doing 10 IUs ED, because you don't know how you are going to react to the slin.

Again, we are in game that everyone reacts differently to different substances. Hence, if you are going to try slin do yourself a favor and take it the way I explained above.

Don't take slin more than 6-8 weeks at a time because there is a good chance you can become insulin dependent, or even become a self-induced diabetic.

As for taking 10 grams of carbs for every IU, that is a good protocol to start out at. As you get a feel for the slin you can bump it up some if you like, I do..
 
Just a copy and paste from the other thread.

Slin should be injected immediately after you workout in the restroom or wherever you feel like. Because glucose levels are at its lowest right after you workout, and your objective is to replenish muscle glycogen that what used up during your workout as soon as possible. I suppose if you live 2 minutes away from the gym you train at you can wait until you go home to inject, but I recommend injecting ASAP because you don't want your depleted muscles to start to waste away. After injecting drink your protein and simple carbs, then about an hour later eat a fat free protein and complex carb meal, then 2 hours later eat another protein complex carb meal. By then the slin will be out of your system. This is the Humulin R protocol...
 
ALRIGHT..

so you can add in an oral at the end of your cycle to get some extra benefit after the 8 week mark. So could you in theory keep your test base, but then rotate different compounds in after the 8 week mark? So use EQ for the first 8 weeks, and the switch to Primo for the next 8 weeks?
 
dylangemelli said:
Lmao! I know you will but i may be able to counteract because i started our good friend halo today... 20 mg day... =)
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That is true because Halo= homicidal. I'm on 50 mgs ed, and the cops only made two trips to the crib last weekend. Therefore, at 20 mgs ed they might get to your house once this weekend. lolololo. It was all the halo's fault :)
 
RickRock13 said:
Lol.....homicidal for sure...wasnt Tyson on Halo when he bit off Holyfields ear? If I remember correctly?
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Lololololo.. I don't know, but he was on something. I don't care who comes in here says different. Tren and halo together are a lethal combo, and make a person more susceptible to fits of rage whether a person is temperamental or not.
 
NegroPops said:
ALRIGHT..

so you can add in an oral at the end of your cycle to get some extra benefit after the 8 week mark. So could you in theory keep your test base, but then rotate different compounds in after the 8 week mark? So use EQ for the first 8 weeks, and the switch to Primo for the next 8 weeks?
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Bro, you have me confused now. I'm on little sleep, so help me out. Are you planning on doing 8 week cycles, or are you planning on staying on?
 
I am just planning an 8 weeks cycle.

But I was wondering if you wanted to run a longer cycle.. could you switch compounds around the 8 week mark to counter the effect.

Sorry.. I can be complicated sometimes.
 
NegroPops said:
I am just planning an 8 weeks cycle.

But I was wondering if you wanted to run a longer cycle.. could you switch compounds around the 8 week mark to counter the effect.

Sorry.. I can be complicated sometimes.
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No problem, you are not complicated, that's way things get all by themselves.

You can do two things to extend an 8 week cycle a couple of weeks.

1). Add an oral at week 7 and that should extend it to about week 11.

2). Switch to a more "anabolic" compound and that should extend it the same except for maybe tren would give you another week.


No matter what you do with 8 week cycles they are cooked by week 11 or 12.
 
I think I will just stick with 8 weeks.. keep it short and simple.

Do you think that something like EQ or Deca, with a long ester, could be fully utilized in 8 weeks?
 
NegroPops said:
I think I will just stick with 8 weeks.. keep it short and simple.

Do you think that something like EQ or Deca, with a long ester, could be fully utilized in 8 weeks?
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What led recommended to me was after week 8 of eq, cruising with it along with test until week 20 and then going back to previous dosage... I am anxious to try it out
 
then you can run it for another 20 weeks with no interruption? What doses to you cruise at.. 250 mg test, and 200 mg EQ?
 
Whats your thoughts on training on a empty stomach vs training with carbs preworkout
 
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
 
ledhead said:
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
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Can't wait to hear this :) learn something new everyday. I think you deserve the nickname Anabolic Einstein
 
ledhead said:
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
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This interests me greatly led. I am one of the unlucky ones that gets gyno with pretty much everything. I cure it, then couple months later it sneaks back. I can always get it down to virtually non existant, tappering down proply.
I'm sick of taking the fucking chemicals you need to rid your self of it!
Rant over. Anyway look forward to hearing your views. Keep up the good work. :)
 
Glad to see this thread's finally reached Sticky Status.

Also glad to know I'm not the only one who appreciates the 5.0 cruise.

I look forward to the estrogen, prolactin, AI, dopamine info. Hopefully a little info on Serms too.
 
ledhead said:
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
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I'm excited about these topics 🎉😊
 
El Hefe said:
Glad to see this thread's finally reached Sticky Status.

Also glad to know I'm not the only one who appreciates the 5.0 cruise.

I look forward to the estrogen, prolactin, AI, dopamine info. Hopefully a little info on Serms too.
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I would like to know about the prolactin control also since Im gonna start tren soon.
 
ledhead said:
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
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I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on all of those. I am one of the fortunate ones that don't get estrogen sides with aromatizing compounds...at least so far. I know I can get by without an AI just fine, because I've done it enough times, but I usually throw an AI in at least mid-cycle to bring water retention down
 
Im interested in the AI topic too. Lots of oldschool people in my gym dont belive in AIs any.
 
Hey, I got a question that you may know the answer too. Do you need to come off of HGH? The majority of my research dictates that the only reason people come off is because of money. That research is also from the persons stand point that if ran correctly that hgh will not suppress your natural hgh production. So if you can afford it.. do you ever really need to come off?
 
ledhead said:
I would like to conclude on the Myostatin topic. I think it's safe to say everyone knows on how to run a correct cycle.

I will reiterate it one more time. 8 week cycles or just stay on, that's the best way to get optimum results out of a cycle.

The topic I would like to expound on tomorrow is estrogen and prolactin control; and that AIs and Dopamine agonists are overrated and are counterproductive. And that estrogen and prolactin can be combated without these drugs and should be. Also, that progesterone and prolactin are two different hormones.

Another controversial topic :)
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I'm on the edge of my seat bro. Spill the beans!
 
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