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Yes, I'm still around and I'm still oblivious to the destruction I cause
. Good to see you back, killah.. I will get this log going in 3-4 weeks; that's when I start my 12 week pre-comp regimen, which should be duly noted..
gjohnson5
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This is the issue that I'm having. Most of the science on ribose indicates that ribose is not necessarily a good stack for creatine simply because the liver converts ribose to glucose at a high rate. Consequently studies done on ribose show no real gain when stacking creatine over glucose or most any other carb.
Did you try stacking the creatine with other carbohydrate sources?
ATP (adenosine triphosphate) is the chemical compound which provides the energy to power muscle cell (actin-myosin fibers) contraction. A single ATP molecule contains an amino acid base (adenosine), a sugar (ribose) and three phosphate groups.
The chemical energy of the ATP molecule is stored in the phosphate groups, and when these high energy phosphate bonds are cleaved or broken during the processes of cellular metabolism, the energy is then available for muscle contraction and other vital cellular functions.
However the cellular storage capacity for ATP is limited, and at maximum work levels ATP stored in the muscle is depleted within several seconds. To sustain physical activity, the cell must continually resynthesize ATP.
I use ribose pre-workout "only" just to raise ATP for better workouts because during strenuous workouts ATP is oxidized back to ADP, the ribose will combat oxidation to a degree and resynthesize some of the ATP, which is ideal to keep muscles from bogging down.
Your body converts creatine into creatine phosphate or phosphocreatine and stores it in your muscles. Again, during vigorous exercise ATP is going to be used up quick and be reduced back to ADP. I prefer to use creatine phosphate over monohydrate because of the reasons mentioned above. Creatine Phosphate will buy your muscles a little more time during workouts before ATP is reduced back to ADP.
During workouts it is inevitable that ATP will be reduced back to ADP, that's why I always say supplement correctly and train moderately fast before ATP is totally smashed, and it eventually will, it is a biological certainty. Creatine Phosphate will resynthesize ATP during that crucial time (during workout), which is ideal.
As for using simple carbs. The only time I recommend using them is PWO because glucose levels are low. However, it is a juggling act when using simple carbs PWO, because that is the time when you are most susceptible to storing fat, that is something you will have to find out how utilize correctly through trial and error.
I use 10 IUs of Humulin R PWO. Therefore, I can play around a little more with simple carbs.
PWO Protocol:
1) 10 IUs Humulin R
2) 80 grm Dextrose
3) 10 grm Creatine Phosphate
4) 10 Glute
5) BCAAs during workout
6) 50 grams of whey
HR - is active in about 30 minutes, peaks at the 2 hour mark, and clears the system at the 4 hour mark. Therefore, I inject the HR as soon as I'm done training then drink my above PWO drink right after injecting. 1 hr later I eat a couple chicken breasts or fish with some complex carbs, then 2 hours later I eat chicken or fish with some more complex carbs; by that time the slin has cleared.
I literally gained 12 lbs of clean weight when I inserted slin into regimen within a month while dieting. That's right, I gained 12 lbs of clean weight and lost 3% BF once I inserted slin within a month...
^^^ I need to catch some fish this weekend bro.
i have been running the regimen you put me on but not consistently.. I'm gonna start doing it consistent though now. but I need to catch some fish cause I'm sick of chicken. (got hit with food poisoning from chicken last week, can't buy anything from the store these days with confidence)
i have been running the regimen you put me on but not consistently.. I'm gonna start doing it consistent though now. but I need to catch some fish cause I'm sick of chicken. (got hit with food poisoning from chicken last week, can't buy anything from the store these days with confidence)
gjohnson5
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OK , so you're not concerned with the creatine , ribose stack. The problem for me is still the same. What ribose does via infusion is not necessarily what will happen when ribose is taken orally. This is the issue with assuming ribose will increase ATP....
No effects of oral ribose supplementation on repeated maximal exercise and de novo ATP resynthesis
A double-blind randomized study was performed to evaluate the effect of oral ribose supplementation on repeated maximal exercise and ATP recovery after intermittent maximal muscle contractions. Muscle power output was measured during dynamic knee extensions with the right leg on an isokinetic dynamometer before (pretest) and after (posttest) a 6-day training period in conjunction with ribose (R, 4 doses/day at 4 g/dose, n = 10) or placebo (P, n = 9) intake. The exercise protocol consisted of two bouts (A and B) of maximal contractions, separated by 15 s of rest. Bouts A andB consisted of 15 series of 12 contractions each, separated by a 60-min rest period. During the training period, the subjects performed the same exercise protocol twice per day, with 3–5 h of rest between exercise sessions. Blood samples were collected before and after bouts A and B and 24 h afterbout B. Knee-extension power outputs were ∼10% higher in the posttest than in the pretest but were similar between P and R for all contraction series. The exercise increased blood lactate and plasma ammonia concentrations (P < 0.05), with no significant differences between P and R at any time. After a 6-wk washout period, in a subgroup of subjects (n = 8), needle-biopsy samples were taken from the vastus lateralis before, immediately after, and 24 h after an exercise bout similar to the pretest. ATP and total adenine nucleotide content were decreased by ∼25 and 20% immediately after and 24 h after exercise in P and R. Oral ribose supplementation with 4-g doses four times a day does not beneficially impact on postexercise muscle ATP recovery and maximal intermittent exercise performance.
Good to see Led is still providing some solid knowledge and experience in here...what's up my brother, a certain someone is not around here on the forum so I thought I might sneak back in for a bit and catch up with some old friends 
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Bro, ribose is one of the most controversial supplement topics. I read studies that claim it is worthless and studies that claim that it is imperative. I like it! I can tell my workouts are better when I use it. It appears, that I have more stamina in the gym when I use it, opposed to when I don't. But I guess truth is in the eye of the beholder.
Here is a study that shows the benefits of ribose.
D-Ribose: The New Heart Smart Cellular Energy Enhancer |Smart Publications
No, I'm not concerned at all with the ribose/creatine stack. I believe they work well together.
I'm not big on chicken myself. I stick to flounder and roughy, but I have to go to the grocery store and buy my fish. I don't have the same luxuries you have; even if I did I'm probably too lazy to go out and try to catch fish for dinner.
Yeah, the slin protocol that you and I are on is the most conservative one out there. If you follow the regimen to a tee it would be virtually impossible that you will go hypo. I been doing it for 5 weeks and never once did even get a sign of going hypo. Another myth debunked!
Good to see Led is still providing some solid knowledge and experience in here...what's up my brother, a certain someone is not around here on the forum so I thought I might sneak back in for a bit and catch up with some old friends
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Lol. Well, we all reap what we sow. We all make mistakes; some more than others. So, I have no room to talk. I'm still reaping the destruction I caused a couple years ago. I don't know but I been told Puerto Rican women ain't got no soul
. Good to see you around these parts, and thank you for the favor from the other day..
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Lol. Well, we all reap what we sow. We all make mistakes; some more than others. So, I have no room to talk. I'm still reaping the destruction I caused a couple years ago. I don't know but I been told Puerto Rican women ain't got no soul
Good to see you around these parts, and thank you for the favor from the other day..
Hey...always here for my brother! Just thought I would come back onto EF and see if I feel comfortable enough to stick around again...you know that feeling. Anytime you need anything you know how to get in touch. Keep on educating your pupils here...you have a lot to offer buddy!!!
Not sure about those Puerto Rican women personally... but I have heard they can be fiery
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Hey...always here for my brother! Just thought I would come back onto EF and see if I feel comfortable enough to stick around again...you know that feeling. Anytime you need anything you know how to get in touch. Keep on educating your pupils here...you have a lot to offer buddy!!!
Not sure about those Puerto Rican women personally... but I have heard they can be fiery
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As can the Irish women . . . and Italians . . . and pretty much every other one I've ever dated come to think of it.
rustilldown
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Yes they all find a way to mess with your head to say the leAst. Ugh
Hey...always here for my brother! Just thought I would come back onto EF and see if I feel comfortable enough to stick around again...you know that feeling. Anytime you need anything you know how to get in touch. Keep on educating your pupils here...you have a lot to offer buddy!!!
Not sure about those Puerto Rican women personally... but I have heard they can be fiery
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Lol. Thanks, bro. It’s all good, I’m just gonna take my ninety-six and put that bitch in a real good fix J
T3
Here goes the most sought after T3 protocol in the country
. I been getting a lot of PMs about my T3 protocol, so I figured instead of wasting all my precious time PMing every single person I would just post it in here. Well, as we all know I design schemes that seem to be unconventional and paradoxical to the mainstream, which makes me look like a heretic. I like to call it my elaborate plans JThe people I gave my T3 protocol already to have reported back with great success. I designed MuscleAddiction's cycle for his contest and at first he thought I was crazy, but now he thinks I'm a genius. I'm no genius, I just been around a long time and had the balls to try different things and test hypothesis, and strayed away from the bro lore and found out what works for me through trial and error. I taught Stevesmi to dose steroids a different way, instead of just going with the flow and emulating these cookie cutter cycles that are posted on here. He has reported back with great success. When reading the T3 protocol just keep in mind there is a method to the madness.
The 2 on 1 off @ 50 mcgs approach was derived from using the traditional tapering up and then tapering down protocol. I noticed that approach muscle usually gets wasted fast no matter how much gear I used, and I also noticed that the body is constantly adapts to environmental stimuli's fast. The human body is very durable and it strives to reach homeostasis, which means whatever you put in your body and no matter how much of that substance you put in your body homeostasis will eventually win, that is a biological certainty...
Nevertheless, there are some tricks you can do to throw your body off and keep it guessing, and that is constantly changing things once you think adaption has occurred, that's why I think the tapering up and back down protocol is worthless and the human body just adapts quickly to that method, no matter if you adjust the doses. Because the thyroid is never getting a break and it is constantly working, and it flat out adapts to the program, then cessation of fat burning occurs. Hence, that’s why people end-up with a frustrated experience when using T3, and they panic and up their dose and waste muscle, then the law of diminishing returns occurs and then T3 is not beneficial at all, and has become counterproductive
Now, the 2 on 1 off program is what I recommend for beginners, it’s not complicated and it’s good case study so people can get a feel for T3, then once they get a good feel they can adjust dosages accordingly to how they feel and look. I always adjust my dosages to how I look. Sometimes, I will run 25 mcgs for 3 days in a row then take a day off, which depends on if I feel I’m looking flat, or full. If I feel I’m looking flat I just lower the dosages, if I feel I’m looking full I up the dosage. On the days I do use T3 I always up my protein and carbs. T3 supposedly increases protein synthesis, and it is definitely catabolic, so I make sure I take in more protein and carbs on the days I use it more the days I don’t use it, which seems to be a good system.
Also, I personally noticed by taking a day off after 2 or 3 days in row of using T3 it prevents my thyroid from going into a rut and I never really have to exceed 50 mcgs on the days I take it because it appears my thyroid is fresh and has not adapted, and I noticed this the best way to spare muscle.
Consequently, I don’t have to use a ridiculous amount of T3 to burn fat and it is a cautious way to save muscle; in essence I'm getting the best of both worlds. The half-life of T3 is between 10-12 hours, so I use upon waking then do my fasted cardio, then later on in the afternoon I train while the T3 is still in my system. Therefore, there is no need to take T3 pre-workout, which is good because I don’t want too much of vasoconstriction going on while I’m training. It’s just enough to get a nice pump and burn some fat without wasting muscle.
Well, this my T3 protocol. I hope this helps someone!
super-duty1
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How long will you run the t3?
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I personally run it in 6-8 week stints. But you can run it longer. I know people who run it for 6 months at a time without any problems.
super-duty1
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Hi led,
This thread is still kicking ass!
Got a question for ya:
Wats your take on igf-lr3?
Like your views, experience,etc?
Do you have any unorthodox methods or just standard protocol.
Or do you not use it at all?
Many thanks
Thanks!! Glad to hear from you...
Lol @ unorthodox. Yeah, sometimes I wonder if I'm not Dr. Mengele reincarnated with all my crazy experiments.
Yaw, I have used it before a couple times and I have concluded that it is utterly worthless. I had minimal gains from it, and I used between 50-80 MCGs different times ED for 6-8 weeks.
When I do an experiment or case study I always insert a chemical into my regimen when I think my cycle has peaked; that is to see if that chemical will boost my cycle, and so that I can't really attribute too many gains to the cycle. I did not notice any muscle gains whatsoever the three times I used IGF-1 LR3 nor any fat loss benefits from it, and did not notice a boost in my cycle.
Imo, insulin blows it away. I gained 13 lbs while dieting once I inserted slin into regimen. I posted my slin protocol for beginners in some thread, I suggest you bump it. Also, slin is dirt cheap compared to IGF-1 LR3, so you get jacked and save a ton of money using slin.
Also, the consensus from the people in my area and from my friends around the country is that IGF-1 LR3 and the other ones are highly faked, which means you are taking a risk losing a lot of money for a product that might be fake and might not even work if it's real. At least you know you are getting real slin from the pharmacy.
Don't believe the hype!!
Ifonly
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Thanks!! Glad to hear from you...
Lol @ unorthodox. Yeah, sometimes I wonder if I'm not Dr. Mengele reincarnated with all my crazy experiments.
Yaw, I have used it before a couple times and I have concluded that it is utterly worthless. I had minimal gains from it, and I used between 50-80 MCGs different times ED for 6-8 weeks.
When I do an experiment or case study I always insert a chemical into my regimen when I think my cycle has peaked; that is to see if that chemical will boost my cycle, and so that I can't really attribute too many gains to the cycle. I did not notice any muscle gains whatsoever the three times I used IGF-1 LR3 nor any fat loss benefits from it, and did not notice a boost in my cycle.
Imo, insulin blows it away. I gained 13 lbs while dieting once I inserted slin into regimen. I posted my slin protocol for beginners in some thread, I suggest you bump it. Also, slin is dirt cheap compared to IGF-1 LR3, so you get jacked and save a ton of money using slin.
Also, the consensus from the people in my area and from my friends around the country is that IGF-1 LR3 and the other ones are highly faked, which means you are taking a risk losing a lot of money for a product that might be fake and might not even work if it's real. At least you know you are getting real slin from the pharmacy.
Don't believe the hype!!
Thanks led. Most helpful I'll look Into this.
Measurement of myostatin concentrations in human serum:
Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects
of testosterone administration.
I mentioned a couple times on this board how Myostatin will stall a cycle by week 8, so I got a few PMs from people wanting me to expound on the subject. The only person on this board that I noticed who understands this concept is Montana, however, there could be others that understand, but I have not noticed. But I do notice people giving other people erroneous advice to run 12-16 week cycles, those length of cycles are utterly worthless because by day 56 Myostatin levels are ridiculously high, which means LBM gains will stall without a doubt. I hate that our bodies do that horrible thing just like the next guy should know this and hate it, but it is a biological certainty that has to be addressed, so people will not be misled anymore and will not believe the bro lore and mythology that is being spread on these boards.
The latest myth that I have read on here lately is that EQ has to be ran at a minimal 16 weeks for a person to see optimum gains from that hormone, that is pure heresy and I challenge anyone on this board to prove me wrong through absolute science because I gonna debunk that myth with absolute science. There is no basis for 12-16 week cycles, absolutely none. The article specifically says by day 56 Myostatin thwarts LBM gains, which means it would be virtually impossible for anyone to make any new gains from weeks 8-16. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel and that is by week 20 the cycle starts to baseline again, and LBM gains resume, which means the entire essence of taking steroids for making quality gains is to do 8 week cycles or just stay on. The people in my circle and myself have known this for years, that's why we stay on.
Again, to utilize your gear to the utmost and to make the most quality gains is to do 8 week cycles or stay on.
If the link don't work then just Google the title.
Circulating concentrations in young and older men and effects
of testosterone administration.
I mentioned a couple times on this board how Myostatin will stall a cycle by week 8, so I got a few PMs from people wanting me to expound on the subject. The only person on this board that I noticed who understands this concept is Montana, however, there could be others that understand, but I have not noticed. But I do notice people giving other people erroneous advice to run 12-16 week cycles, those length of cycles are utterly worthless because by day 56 Myostatin levels are ridiculously high, which means LBM gains will stall without a doubt. I hate that our bodies do that horrible thing just like the next guy should know this and hate it, but it is a biological certainty that has to be addressed, so people will not be misled anymore and will not believe the bro lore and mythology that is being spread on these boards.
The latest myth that I have read on here lately is that EQ has to be ran at a minimal 16 weeks for a person to see optimum gains from that hormone, that is pure heresy and I challenge anyone on this board to prove me wrong through absolute science because I gonna debunk that myth with absolute science. There is no basis for 12-16 week cycles, absolutely none. The article specifically says by day 56 Myostatin thwarts LBM gains, which means it would be virtually impossible for anyone to make any new gains from weeks 8-16. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel and that is by week 20 the cycle starts to baseline again, and LBM gains resume, which means the entire essence of taking steroids for making quality gains is to do 8 week cycles or just stay on. The people in my circle and myself have known this for years, that's why we stay on.
Again, to utilize your gear to the utmost and to make the most quality gains is to do 8 week cycles or stay on.
If the link don't work then just Google the title.
After reading that I will be stopping my tren e and test e cycle this week. It will be the end of week 8. I loved the strength and gains but I am ready for my pct / sarms run haha!
Led.. How long would you wait to run your pct? Should I wait until both esters clear my system after around 10 -12 days or begin around day 7 like some people have been doing around here. thanks brother.
Led.. How long would you wait to run your pct? Should I wait until both esters clear my system after around 10 -12 days or begin around day 7 like some people have been doing around here. thanks brother.
Lol. What's a PCT? I don't run a PCT. However, I used to, so 2 weeks after your last pin would be fine..
northernknight
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Great that you keep bustling these myths! I am always happy when you post something against these interweb-gurus/bro-science/gym mythologies.
So, thanks a lot for posting this article, I will definitely check it throughout, once get to my laptop, I can't seem to open the link in my phone, and browsing web with phone ain't that convenient with my big hands & fat fingers, lol!
I have been thinking that there is something to this, like you mentioned Nelson has posted several times about superiority of shorter cycles.
Although this doesn't directly affect me, since I'm always on (in TRT, Then again it does give one more positive aspect to stay on full time).
It's always great to find more information, especially from scientific point of view.
Btw. I just noticed from the first page of this thread that were getting ready to get up on stage and get your pro-card in this month if I remember right? How is your contest prep coming up? Or has there maybe been some change in your plans? It's been a while since I red this thread trough, so if you have posted updates on your plans, I really can't remember...
This is a great thread in many ways, so I hope you keep it alive.
I also wish you will have all the success that you reach for, you truly deserve all of it!
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Interesting stuff. It does raise two questions I'd love to know if you could help me with:
1. What if any effect does upping the dose during the 8-16 week "dead zone" do? I've seen a number of people lately saying that they have upped their dose of EQ in the latter half of a 16 week cycle from 600 to 900 or 1000. Would that overcome that barrier to new gains?
2. How long after 20 weeks would someone make gains if they stayed on? Would that start another 8 week gain period meaning you'd want to run it for 28 weeks at that point?
Guess you can't refute science. Thats a good read. Here's what I'm wondering though... Although there is some sort of 'cut off' at 8 weeks, what becomes of the gains you made that last week and a few weeks prior? it seems like you would be more likely to lose the gains with them being so new, as opposed to attempting to 'solidify' or sustain them by another 4-8 weeks of cycling. Of course you will always lose some gains, but could there be some truth to this?
Great that you keep bustling these myths! I am always happy when you post something against these interweb-gurus/bro-science/gym mythologies.
So, thanks a lot for posting this article, I will definitely check it throughout, once get to my laptop, I can't seem to open the link in my phone, and browsing web with phone ain't that convenient with my big hands & fat fingers, lol!
I have been thinking that there is something to this, like you mentioned Nelson has posted several times about superiority of shorter cycles.
Although this doesn't directly affect me, since I'm always on (in TRT, Then again it does give one more positive aspect to stay on full time).
It's always great to find more information, especially from scientific point of view.
Btw. I just noticed from the first page of this thread that were getting ready to get up on stage and get your pro-card in this month if I remember right? How is your contest prep coming up? Or has there maybe been some change in your plans? It's been a while since I red this thread trough, so if you have posted updates on your plans, I really can't remember...
This is a great thread in many ways, so I hope you keep it alive.
I also wish you will have all the success that you reach for, you truly deserve all of it!
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Thank you!
Yes, there is a lot of nonsense being peddled on the net. The majority of real weight-trainers/bodybuilders avoid these boards like the plague. But there is a remnant that come around and discuss things.
I am set out to do the IFBB Championships August 30-31 in my hometown of Pittsburgh but I'm thinking I need another year to put on about 10 more quality pounds. I'm 243 @ 4% BF right now.
The mod SuperQT is helping with the technology part, so I can post quality pictures here in the next couple weeks. I will evaluate everything at that point whether or not I should hit that show. I was sitting at 250 then I started to take water pills and I lost 7 lbs in 2 weeks, I did not realize I was holding that much water.
My original plan was not to enter that show under 250, so I really don't know right now. Keep in mind that I just turned 42 a couple weeks ago, so it might be in my best interest to wait another year and come in razor sharp at 250. I don't want to embarrass myself; there will be guys there 5'4 @ 240, and guys at my height 5'8-5'10 @ 250-260. Hence, I might just back off until I'm at a solid 250. But I will let everyone know here in the next couple weeks.
Thanks for the compliments and for following..
Well, if so, I guarantee you it has nothing to do with the hormone initiating LBM gains. Maybe, they don't know the difference between a nice pump and real LBM gains and assume they are making gains; or maybe some people on here are so great they defy the laws of biology.
Good questions. I got a thinker here. I like that!
First, I introduced that upping the dosing strategy when I got back here from being banned for a long time. Upping the dose should occur when a person thinks adaption occurs, which would more and likely be around the 4 week point. Second, upping EQ (the same hormone) for the second half of a 16 week cycle would make absolutely no significance in their LBM gains. The only thing that would work to extend a cycle a couple weeks to obtain more LBM would be to insert a more "anabolic" compound like tren, and that would only give a person a couple weeks extension. Upping the dose on the same compound would not make a difference at all, that cycle stalls at week 8.
Second, yes, when the cycle starts to baseline again at the 20 week mark another 8 week cycle would be ideal. It would stay baseline from there on out unless you up the doses again.
Good questions!
No, you can't refute science. I stay on all the time but when we used to do 8 week cycles we would insert an oral at weeks 7-11 to avoid a total stall and solidify as much gains as possible. My guess is that it's your body trying to return to normal in both directions. It sees the acceleration of the gene activity causing increased protein synthesis and uses myostatin to slow it down. Consequently, you will keep some gains, but not all. That's the nature of this game.
true.. i am considering doing a blast and cruise into the end of year and then competing hopefully next year. this is gonna be my strategy.
there comes a point where the body just doesn't want to put on any more mass, totally normal and healthy. so the myost. is purely a biological thing as you said the body protecting itself .. otherwise everyone on here who has juiced would be 400 pounds by now
i think most guys who cycle need to get over the psychological barrier of losing 'gains' when they come off, otherwise they will go grow frustrated and want to just stay on which just isn't necessary unless you are competing
Seems like I accidentally stumbled on a solution then - I added Tren into my EQ cycle at the start of week 8.
I had originally planned on running the cycle for 16-20 weeks but you have me considering going to 28 now to get the second round of growth as well as to carry me through the rest of my racing season "on".
Hmmmm. . . .
Another question for you that I haven't seen addressed anywhere else - what do you think of running Tren and GW (sarm) side by side?
When done right, Tren basically prevents your body from shuttling carbs into fat cells and instead just gobbles them up for muscle building and thermogenesis.
GW improves the body's ability to access fat as a preferred fuel source and ups endurance in the process.
Theoretically it would seem that the two would be an ideal match for someone truly looking to shred up. But I haven't seen much (if any) discussion about running them together. Your thoughts?
When done right, Tren basically prevents your body from shuttling carbs into fat cells and instead just gobbles them up for muscle building and thermogenesis.
GW improves the body's ability to access fat as a preferred fuel source and ups endurance in the process.
Theoretically it would seem that the two would be an ideal match for someone truly looking to shred up. But I haven't seen much (if any) discussion about running them together. Your thoughts?
what a great thread this is.
Very true statement.
Seems like I accidentally stumbled on a solution then - I added Tren into my EQ cycle at the start of week 8.
I had originally planned on running the cycle for 16-20 weeks but you have me considering going to 28 now to get the second round of growth as well as to carry me through the rest of my racing season "on".
Hmmmm. . . .
Well, sometimes doing things on accident helps you learn on your own through trial and error, which I believe is the best school.
Once, you hit week 20 then the cycle will baseline and you can do a full blown cycle without worrying about myostatin thwarting your cycle.
Don't know much about sarms. But from the way you described sarms it sounds like it would go good with tren. Give it a whirl and let us know how they work together.
What up, bro? Glad you are enjoying the thread. Tell these haters to sticky this mofo
Thats the plan. Buying the gw when next paycheck comes through.
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Your plan on paper sounds perfect. GW scares the shit out of me though.
Someone posted some research recently debunkimg mucj of the cancer scare associatwd with gw. Maybe ib hurricanes thread ...
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rustilldown
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Just dropping in to say what up led, I love this thread and the information sharing going amongst it is incredibly helpful !! Lets keep this thread rolling!
Here you go, Evan.
Meal 1. 12 egg whites and 1 cup of oats.
Meal 2. 2 pieces of Flounder and 1 cup of brown rice.
Meal 3. 8 oz. Sirloin 1 cup of brown rice.
Workout
Post-workout: dextrose, glute, creatine, and whey
Meal 4. 8 oz. Sirloin 2 sweet potatoes.
Meal 5. 2 pieces of Roughy 1 cup brown rice.
Meal 6. 12 egg whites with spinach
Sometimes I change things but I usually stay on this course.
I went out to dinner last night and ate a whole cookies and cream pie, I had to because I thought I was going hypo because of the slin
Meal 1. 12 egg whites and 1 cup of oats.
Meal 2. 2 pieces of Flounder and 1 cup of brown rice.
Meal 3. 8 oz. Sirloin 1 cup of brown rice.
Workout
Post-workout: dextrose, glute, creatine, and whey
Meal 4. 8 oz. Sirloin 2 sweet potatoes.
Meal 5. 2 pieces of Roughy 1 cup brown rice.
Meal 6. 12 egg whites with spinach
Sometimes I change things but I usually stay on this course.
I went out to dinner last night and ate a whole cookies and cream pie, I had to because I thought I was going hypo because of the slin
Was he squirting it into his eyes?
To my knowledge S4 is the only one with any side effects related to vision and those fade withing a couple days of stopping dosage.
E
Evan Tipps
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Thanks man. I need to man up and learn to like fish.. taste like shit.Here you go, Evan.
Meal 1. 12 egg whites and 1 cup of oats.
Meal 2. 2 pieces of Flounder and 1 cup of brown rice.
Meal 3. 8 oz. Sirloin 1 cup of brown rice.
Workout
Post-workout: dextrose, glute, creatine, and whey
Meal 4. 8 oz. Sirloin 2 sweet potatoes.
Meal 5. 2 pieces of Roughy 1 cup brown rice.
Meal 6. 12 egg whites with spinach
Sometimes I change things but I usually stay on this course.
I went out to dinner last night and ate a whole cookies and cream pie, I had to because I thought I was going hypo because of the slin
Yep..
I would post my cycle, but I don't want to incriminate myself, and everyone would think they are taking across between a chem and a calc test
Oh I know - was returning the favor.
I'm a fellow "old guy" like you (slightly younger at 37) so I take very little on the internet all that seriously.
rustilldown
New member
Thanks for dropping in. Glad to have you! Are still getting that cardio in?
yes ! If I wasn't then what's the point of dealing with the rest of bs that comesWith it ! Ugh woman
Hi led just quick question on your T3 protocol.
I understand the whole 2on 1off strategy however there's few things not certain off.
Do you dose all upon waking?
And at the end of running T3 do you taper down still maintaining 2on 1off strategy.
Many thanks
Yes, I take it upon waking. I don't taper down. I just stay at the 2 on 1 off protocol..
Ifonly
Member
Here is an interesting side note.
I am doing the same thing. More so as a pre blood work 6 week experiment because my free T3 was right at the bare bones bottom of the range last time.
But for me I am basically doing 3 on 1 off. If I go 2 on 1 off .....on the 3rd day (the off day) I get that T3 craving. The actual physical craving. like low blood sugar feeling ect... my wife is like duh jackass....your body needs T3. So I take it and problem solved. When I go 3 on 1 off I don't have this issue!!! WTF. Meh...it is what it is. I tell you though my skin is oily as fuck now. I am getting some pimples on my forehead which I am not digging in the least. I'm in my late 30's for fuck sake. I havnt had pimples in 16-17 years. I don't get acne from AAS either (unless its deca)
rustilldown
New member
I find that odd as t3 clears my skin up usually . You are mid pct are you not? Maybe the boosters and herbs and hormones settling are partly at fault?
Nope. Completely natural. Bridge was the last thing and I dropped it about 10 days ago.
Lol! Great post, I couldn't agree more.
That's interesting! I don't get pimples from T3, or any weird side effects I think from it. I do 3 on 1 and 2 on 1 depending how I look and feel, I think that's the best way to take T3.
Hahahahahahahahahahaahhaah
Just today I am noticing what I believe to be my skin drying back out. ( I think, not sure)
Might have been my body acclimating after dropping bridge?
Pre-comp Cycle:
Weeks 1-4
1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs EOD
2). Test Suspension 100 Mgs ED
3). NPP 100 Mgs EOD
4). Mast 100 Mgs EOD
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs EOD
6). Var 60 Mgs ED
7). Halo 50 Mgs Pre-workout. I pulsate it.
8). Slin 20 IUs ED
9). HCTZ 25 Mgs ED
Weeks 4-8
1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs ED
2). Test Suspension 150 Mgs ED. I will drop it 7-10 days out from contest.
3). NPP 100 Mgs ED
4). Mast 100 Mgs ED
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs ED
6). Var 100 Mgs ED
7). Halo 75 Mgs ED. I still pulsate it.
8). Slin stay at 20 IUs ED. I will drop it about 7-10 days out from the contest.
9). HCTZ 50 Mgs ED.
Note: I upped my doses at the 4 week mark because of adaption and to reach a peak plasma concentration at the most crucial time.
Note: I dropped the Test 7-10 days prior to contest to prevent any chance of unnecessary water retention, and also dropped the slin at the same time for the same reason.
Note: I upped my HCTZ the last 4 weeks to smash all water retention; I will be able to eat a little more so I can hold as much muscle as possible..
Weeks 1-4
1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs EOD
2). Test Suspension 100 Mgs ED
3). NPP 100 Mgs EOD
4). Mast 100 Mgs EOD
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs EOD
6). Var 60 Mgs ED
7). Halo 50 Mgs Pre-workout. I pulsate it.
8). Slin 20 IUs ED
9). HCTZ 25 Mgs ED
Weeks 4-8
1). Tren Suspension 100 Mgs ED
2). Test Suspension 150 Mgs ED. I will drop it 7-10 days out from contest.
3). NPP 100 Mgs ED
4). Mast 100 Mgs ED
5). Liquid Winny 100 Mgs ED
6). Var 100 Mgs ED
7). Halo 75 Mgs ED. I still pulsate it.
8). Slin stay at 20 IUs ED. I will drop it about 7-10 days out from the contest.
9). HCTZ 50 Mgs ED.
Note: I upped my doses at the 4 week mark because of adaption and to reach a peak plasma concentration at the most crucial time.
Note: I dropped the Test 7-10 days prior to contest to prevent any chance of unnecessary water retention, and also dropped the slin at the same time for the same reason.
Note: I upped my HCTZ the last 4 weeks to smash all water retention; I will be able to eat a little more so I can hold as much muscle as possible..
That was the request but that request was denied. I talked to the head honcho yesterday, and she said," I was a great asset to the site and that she did not want to lose me as a member." With the utmost humility I have to utterly agree with her! If that is a source of tension and embarrassment for you or anyone else on this board I really don't care.
I don't acknowledge you at all. I don't read your posts and I don't really care what you think. Evidently, you read my posts and care what I think, which you should because you might learn something.
Probably, because your symptoms sound like unlike T3 symptoms and more like androgenic symptoms, which you said you are clean, right?
Was this to me? What the fuck did I even say to you? I was simply reading your thread. I thought it was useful.
Do you fucking realize I'm a mod? I will fucking time you out if you talk to me like this again. I don't care who you know. I said absolutely nothing to you.
Dude, that one guy said something derogatory and you responded with a "hahahahaahah, then a bant." That's not taunting?
Bro, I don't dislike or like him. I don't even know who is and don't care to know who he is. I don't have time for it either. No hard feelings!!
Group hug.
I figured that's what has been going on, that's why I gave that response. I apologize if I offended you. You mean too much tren around these parts
ledhead lets calm this down in here.this is the aas section. No need to make posts about banging chicks on this site and then on top of it, not expect people from around the board to come in here and start hijacking the thread.Lets keep this on track and i will be forced to close this thread and that would be a shame because it is an awesome thread
thank you
hurricane
thank you
hurricane
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Evan Tipps
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Hey led. Whats my plan kneegrow
Just read up up on your post about myostatin levels on cycle and how its effects will pretty much put a halt to gains after the 8 week mark of a cycle, and have to say its very interesting and certainly changes my outlook on things. I was planning on 20 weeks of EQ this winter, but that may change now.
I have no idea why I didn't join this thread sooner....great info here
I have no idea why I didn't join this thread sooner....great info here
Bump! This is a badass cycle. I designed it all by myself. I designed MuscleAddiction's cycle. he sent me pictures. He is jacked and diced beyond belief. He still can't get with me
I definitely wanted to cut out the cycle but was just busy as this has been the week from hell.
Did you decide to cut out the T3 or is that just not on the list?
Do you run MastP or MastE? With ED injections I assume prop but I've heard Dylan say he actually gets better results from e so curious to hear your thoughts.
Do you use the HCTZ for bp reasons, water or both? I've heard using water pills/diuretics for more than a week or so can make muscles flat so curious with you running it 8 weeks.
When do you start?
And I'm EAGERLY looking forward to your further thoughts on how to use the mysostatin cycle/restart issue to best effect (I PM'd you about it and there have been some questions in this thread). With me coming up on week 14 of my cycle I've pretty much decided I'm going to ride it out 28 weeks to take advangate of the restart and want to make sure I do it the best possible way.
Did you decide to cut out the T3 or is that just not on the list?
Do you run MastP or MastE? With ED injections I assume prop but I've heard Dylan say he actually gets better results from e so curious to hear your thoughts.
Do you use the HCTZ for bp reasons, water or both? I've heard using water pills/diuretics for more than a week or so can make muscles flat so curious with you running it 8 weeks.
When do you start?
And I'm EAGERLY looking forward to your further thoughts on how to use the mysostatin cycle/restart issue to best effect (I PM'd you about it and there have been some questions in this thread). With me coming up on week 14 of my cycle I've pretty much decided I'm going to ride it out 28 weeks to take advangate of the restart and want to make sure I do it the best possible way.
NegroPops
Banned
I am not a big believer in longer cycles being unproductive after 8-10 weeks. I think I would have heard about this before now if it was that much of a fact. Shorter cycles can be beneficial.. and so can longer cycles. I know that I kept making gains past the 10 week mark when I ran test and EQ as well as test and deca. And I am sure there are thousands of people that also agree with this. If 8-10 week cycle is all someone can run to reap the benefits of steroids.. then I think the compounds with longer esters would have become obsolete years ago.
I guess I will have to look more into this.
I guess I will have to look more into this.
you didn't know that?
shit, if he didn't link the study, let me know. I got it around here somewhere.
No, I actually had no idea about it. I know there are diminished returns on cycle generally after 6-8 weeks, but thought that was pretty much from the body trying to reach homeostasis and normalizing itself along with deregulating androgen receptors. Never really heard myostatin brought up before.
I definitely wanted to cut out the cycle but was just busy as this has been the week from hell.
I'm glad you posted. I was beginning to think I was having a conversation with myself
Did you decide to cut out the T3 or is that just not on the list?
No, I just forgot to mention it. I use it the entire time.
Do you run MastP or MastE? With ED injections I assume prop but I've heard Dylan say he actually gets better results from e so curious to hear your thoughts.
I do something different. I run long esters for a while so I can make slow, solid gains. Then I flip it to short esters to give myself another hormonal spike and to reach a "peak plasma concentration." Prior to flipping to short esters I just used the same compounds just with the longer ester chain. Does Dylan like E better than P? I personally like them both and use them both in my cycle, so in essence I'm getting the best of both worlds.
But I do prefer short ester for the reason below.
Perhaps the most important thing is that short-chain esters (steroids of shorter half life) yield a much higher plasma concentration of steroid than steroids of longer side chain esters.
In some study, a single 100 mg/ml x 1 ml intragluteal injection of nandrolone phenylpropionate caused a peak plasma concentration of almost double that of the 100 mg/ml x 1 ml intragluteal injection of nandrolone decanoate.
This level remained increased for almost seven days, too. By fourteen days, even though the nandrolone decanoate ester demonstrated a much higher plasma level than the nandrolone phenylpropionate level, the net amount of both was so low as to be ineffective.
This tells me that the effects I can see from using 500 mg of Testosterone enth per week probably would not be the same as using 500 mg of Testosterone prop or even Testosterone suspension per week. I'm going to see better results with the propionate and even better results with the suspension. Sure, I may need to inject the propionate and suspension more often, but in the long run it will pay off for me at the most crucial time of my prep.
Do you use the HCTZ for bp reasons, water or both? I've heard using water pills/diuretics for more than a week or so can make muscles flat so curious with you running it 8 weeks.
When do you start?
I use it to smash water retention. Diuretics shrink fat cells, which is ideal for getting rid of them. After shrinking the fat cells and adding T3 and a thermogenic, those fat cells are history. Using water pills enable one to eat more because of the above mentioned reason, that's why eating carbs is crucial while taking diuretics, or you will go flat. You have to keep real hydrated while using water pills because the body will start using the its water at a more rapid pace, which means if you don't keep hydrated constantly then the body goes into survival mode and uses its stored water, which leads to bloating and perhaps dangerous adverse effects.
I cycle them for 2-3 months at a time..
And I'm EAGERLY looking forward to your further thoughts on how to use the mysostatin cycle/restart issue to best effect (I PM'd you about it and there have been some questions in this thread). With me coming up on week 14 of my cycle I've pretty much decided I'm going to ride it out 28 weeks to take advangate of the restart and want to make sure I do it the best possible way.
Give me a definitive question and I will give you a definitive answer.
that's basically what's going on. Myostatin is a big part of it.
Gave the question in a PM you said you'd get back to when you had the time as it was a busy week for you. Shorter version of the question here:
I'm 13 weeks into a cycle I'd originally planned on running for 16 weeks. After reading up on what you've posted about myostatin I've decided I'm going to extend it and run it through the "reset" period to 28 weeks. My question is at the 16 week mark I'd originally planned on ending the cycle should I be cutting the cycle/compounds back for a bit before amping back up at Week 20 or stay steady throughout?
I'm currently running:
TestE 375/wk
EQ 900/wk (started at 600 and have tapered up)
TrenA 300/wk (ending this in two weeks regardless)
Anavar 100/day
Proviron 50/day
I'd like to have the back end of the cycle be something like:
Test (low dose)
Primo
EQ
Mast
Tren (maybe - and low dose if so)
How do I maximize retention of gains so far and transition from the point I'm at now to being ready to make the most of things come Week 20 when the "reset" starts?
And what doses would you recommend with a cycle like the one I am proposing for the reset?
Oh and the info about me:
I'm 37 years old, 6', 202 pounds and 7.5% bodyfat as of last week (started cycle same weight but 13.8% bodyfat - pure recomp losing 12 pounds of fat and adding 12 pounds of muscle). I run/compete in long distance trail and obstacle races so that is why I've kept tren doses lower than most here - doesn't impact my cardio that way and my training includes 30+ miles of running/trails per week. Goal is to lean out a touch more and add a few more ultralean pounds of muscle. Finishing up at 210 and 6% would be fantastic.
I'm 37 years old, 6', 202 pounds and 7.5% bodyfat as of last week (started cycle same weight but 13.8% bodyfat - pure recomp losing 12 pounds of fat and adding 12 pounds of muscle). I run/compete in long distance trail and obstacle races so that is why I've kept tren doses lower than most here - doesn't impact my cardio that way and my training includes 30+ miles of running/trails per week. Goal is to lean out a touch more and add a few more ultralean pounds of muscle. Finishing up at 210 and 6% would be fantastic.
In a nutshell here's what we been doing for years. We either run 8 week full cycles then cruise until week 20, then we go on full cycle again and it will baseline from there on out and change things up every 8 weeks. Or we just stay on full cycle full time. I stayed on full cycle full time for 3 years straight when I was in my late 20s and continued to grow every year, that's when I was at my best.
I recommend you drop your doses to cruise dose and then at week 20 go on full cycle again until week 28, then change things again if you feel like staying on.
If you are a runner then why do you want to take so much gear?? I shot-up enough tren to float a battleship around and it never hindered/hinders my cardio. I don't understand why people on these boards constantly spout that out.
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