Need some advice and Help/Plan

[usmax1]

I've been working out so hard for about 1 year and 8 months now, 3-4 days a week, all natural without using steroids (just protein/creatine, amino acids etc) without much results. I've not get much gain, it is really frustrating and I am finally giving up, I need a plan on what steroids to use and how.

I am 180Lbs, 10-11% body fat, 6,1' tall.

 

[NegroPops]

it is all in your diet brah

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

I've been working out so hard for about 1 year and 8 months now, 3-4 days a week, all natural without using steroids (just protein/creatine, amino acids etc) without much results. I've not get much gain, it is really frustrating and I am finally giving up, I need a plan on what steroids to use and how.

I am 180Lbs, 10-11% body fat, 6,1' tall.

You can go all the way and use steroids, or you can start smart, combine a hard Anabolic diet with HCGenerate ES+D-spark and you'll get all the steroid gains without the sides.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Without a solid base, brought on by years of consistent training and careful dieting AAS are a waste of time. Search the forums here for bulking diet ideas and training routines you find challenging. You can post in those forums for feedback on your choices. Then train your butt off and eat like never before.

 

[bonacris]

Post your diet and routine.. you havent hit your potential after less than 2years

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[Mason Kray]

Like the Guys here have said Bro- It's all about the food. You can take all the steroids you want, but if you're eating small, you'll stay small.

Forget steroids for now. Get your diet and training sorted and you'll see results.

 

[EZ_E]

I'm in for the diet & training...

~EZ

 

[usmax1]

I was on diet during the first 15 months, i lost about 60lbs and like i said i only have 10-11% body fat now, I didnt realized the fact that i cant build muscles while losing fat at same time until 4 months ago (although, I still built some little muscles), so about 4 months ago i started eating like a pig and i did saw some results, but you cant expect much within just 4 months. I dont want to wait another 1.7 year to pay for my mistake. I need to see some serious results within next 6 months. so that's why i am looking to use steroids to boost up the process. and yes i am going to stay eating well. I just need a good plan on what to use and how much (the cycle), if you guys think a good plan gonna cost me I am willing to pay for a premium plan, below is my current diet as bonacris asked:

Morning:

1 Banana or Apple
2 Scoop protein (48gr) mixed with Fat free Milk.

One hour later:
3 boiled whole eggs.

Lunch:

A large Grilled beefsteak with white rice Or couple of Tuna with Salad or Grilled Kebab with white rice.

3 hours later:

A banana/apple + 2 Scoop protein (48gr) mixed with Fat free Milk.

Pre-workout:

SciVation Xtend + Creatin + Craze + Hemavol

Post-workout (Dinner):

2 Scoop protein (48gr) shake + Multi vitamin + Fish Oil + 2 Large chicken breast slices with whole wheat bread and salad or a double hamburger.

3 Hours Later:

Usually Chicken Nuggets or Turkey Breast or whatever food i find in refrigerator.

Before Bed time:

One large scoop of Muscle Pharm Bullet Proof (Amino Acids).

I also eat a lot of almonds between the meals (its a habit).

 

[burnthiscorpse]

if you cant gain at least a little on that diet then that means (dont take offense) your training is a joke. bro, I see guys like you in my gym daily. theres no intensity or substance to their training. no mind muscle connection....

using aas at 6'1and 180 is a joke. a cop out. your skinny with no base bro. im 6'0" 230...and used to be 165 so I know all about being where you are. I ran my first cycle with no base at 175. biggest mistake I made in bb'ing. I wish I knew how to eat and train right. shit takes time.
you doing squats, deads ? your not gonna grow otherwise. compound exercises....real shit. you need a 5x5 for a year. any gains you get from AAS will just go away when you come off because you have no base. ive been there.

 

[usmax1]

I did gained on that diet, i went from 170lb to 198lb in about 3 months and 20 days from being on that diet. I didnt gained pure muscles of course, there was some fat gaining too, but i guess i gained muscles too.

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[usmax1]

No i never did squats, deads. But i workout for at least 1.5 hours 3-4 times a week.

 

[bonacris]

I was on diet during the first 15 months, i lost about 60lbs and like i said i only have 10-11% body fat now, I didnt realized the fact that i cant build muscles while losing fat at same time until 4 months ago (although, I still built some little muscles), so about 4 months ago i started eating like a pig and i did saw some results, but you cant expect much within just 4 months. I dont want to wait another 1.7 year to pay for my mistake. I need to see some serious results within next 6 months. so that's why i am looking to use steroids to boost up the process. and yes i am going to stay eating well. I just need a good plan on what to use and how much (the cycle), if you guys think a good plan gonna cost me I am willing to pay for a premium plan, below is my current diet as bonacris asked:

Morning:

1 Banana or Apple
2 Scoop protein (48gr) mixed with Fat free Milk.

One hour later:
3 boiled whole eggs.

Lunch:

A large Grilled beefsteak with white rice Or couple of Tuna with Salad or Grilled Kebab with white rice.

3 hours later:

A banana/apple + 2 Scoop protein (48gr) mixed with Fat free Milk.

Pre-workout:

SciVation Xtend + Creatin + Craze + Hemavol

Post-workout (Dinner):

2 Scoop protein (48gr) shake + Multi vitamin + Fish Oil + 2 Large chicken breast slices with whole wheat bread and salad or a double hamburger.

3 Hours Later:

Usually Chicken Nuggets or Turkey Breast or whatever food i find in refrigerator.

Before Bed time:

One large scoop of Muscle Pharm Bullet Proof (Amino Acids).

I also eat a lot of almonds between the meals (its a habit).

My opinion is that your relying too much on supplements and not enough on actual food.

Add 100gm of oats to your breakfast. An apple or a banana and 3eggs won't cut it..

Cut out the sandwiches and bread and substitute pasta or rice. I much prefer pasta but not everyone will agree.. instead of have a protein shake have ,100gm oats + half a scoop of protein 3 times a day.. you need carbs aswell as protein to grow so they are massively important especially if you find it hard to put on weight..

But your training needs to be fixed aswell.. no squats or deads but you want to gain mass. Come on man

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[NegroPops]

if you want to get huge, you have to eat huge. 100-200 grams of carbs a day isn't going to cut it. Pack on the carbs during breakfast and post workout.. 100+ grams in each meal. Then keep the protein consumption high, at least 1 gram for every pound of body weight YOU WANT TO BE. And make sure you get a good amount of healthy fats in there too.

 

[EZ_E]

if you cant gain at least a little on that diet then that means (dont take offense) your training is a joke. bro, I see guys like you in my gym daily. theres no intensity or substance to their training. no mind muscle connection....

using aas at 6'1and 180 is a joke. a cop out. your skinny with no base bro. im 6'0" 230...and used to be 165 so I know all about being where you are. I ran my first cycle with no base at 175. biggest mistake I made in bb'ing. I wish I knew how to eat and train right. shit takes time.
you doing squats, deads ? your not gonna grow otherwise. compound exercises....real shit. you need a 5x5 for a year. any gains you get from AAS will just go away when you come off because you have no base. ive been there.

Good stuff here

 

[burnthiscorpse]

No i never did squats, deads. But i workout for at least 1.5 hours 3-4 times a week.

Doing what? Curls? Forearms? Im seriously not trying to be a dick bro but if your not growing in a year and a half even on a so so diet then its your training. Period. Doesn't matter how long your in the gym for. Just because your in the building doesn't mean your going to grow.
You want big ass arms bro? Then learn how to deadlift heavy with no straps. Don't wear faggot ass gloves either. Want huge ass legs? (do you work legs?) drop the leg sled and the fucking extensions and hammy curls and calf raises and learn how to squat.
I bet you do a ton of isolation movements don't you? Drop all that shit.

Learn a 5x5 program and execute it right and you will grow. If you cant grow with real training then its your diet.
When I finish a back workout I feel like I'm going to puke. Do you feel that way when your done?
Don't fuck ass around with retarded splits. Pick one body part per day and kill it with compound movements. isolation movements wont do shit for you as a beginner.

 

[usmax1]

Doing what? Curls? Forearms? Im seriously not trying to be a dick bro but if your not growing in a year and a half even on a so so diet then its your training. Period. Doesn't matter how long your in the gym for. Just because your in the building doesn't mean your going to grow.
You want big ass arms bro? Then learn how to deadlift heavy with no straps. Don't wear faggot ass gloves either. Want huge ass legs? (do you work legs?) drop the leg sled and the fucking extensions and hammy curls and calf raises and learn how to squat.
I bet you do a ton of isolation movements don't you? Drop all that shit.

Learn a 5x5 program and execute it right and you will grow. If you cant grow with real training then its your diet.
When I finish a back workout I feel like I'm going to puke. Do you feel that way when your done?
Don't fuck ass around with retarded splits. Pick one body part per day and kill it with compound movements. isolation movements wont do shit for you as a beginner.

Dude i wasn't eating right during the 1.5 year I was all on diet trying to lose fat and still build muscles, I did worked out very hard but i dont believe anyone can build mass when eating only eating one small meal a day with no protein shake at all.

No, i dont do isolation workouts, i workout every muscle in my body but i wasn't doing legs at all, The trainer rule was to focus on body (as it is more important) and totally ignore the legs. This was totally stupid. no body mass without a strong base. I just started doing legs during the last 3.5 months.

As for my workout, i am posting it below:

Day 1:

10 minutes cardio

Chest:

6-7 workouts, for one hour.

10 minutes rest then:

Biceps:


4-5 workouts for 30 minutes.

Day 2:

10 minutes cardio

Back and triceps:

Back: 6-7 workouts, for one hour.

10 minutes rest then:

Triceps:
4-5 workouts for 30 minutes.

Day 3:

10 minutes cardio

Shoulders:

7-8 Workouts for about 1.5 hour.

Right now i am doing the legs with biceps workout in day 4. and yes i do feel like I am going to puke after the workout.

I'll do everything you said, but what about adding an anabolic diet just to speed up the process?

 

[Idobehigh]

That's not a good workout out at all bro, and I don't think any qualified trainer will tell you to not skip legs, back and leg workouts will burn the most calories and keep your heart rate high the whole time... My opinion is change up your workouts, look for a new plan bro

 

[usmax1]

How about a 8 weeks cycle on testosterone enanthate + Deca-Durabolin + Winny + HCGenerate? WTF? everybody converted to be healthy and useless on my post? Any help?

 

[bonacris]

How about a 8 weeks cycle on testosterone enanthate + Deca-Durabolin + Winny + HCGenerate? WTF? everybody converted to be healthy and useless on my post? Any help?

We just told you that you don't need steroids because your diet and training is more than likely shit, and then you come up with a bullshit cycle like that.. do you know about ester lengths and half life's..

As for useless posts, you are the one who came to us asking for help.. just because its not what you want to hear then its useless.. you have a shit attitude and sound like a spoilt kid

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[EZ_E]

You get 1 warning: NEVER call anyone useless on EF again...

Open your freakin' ears and listen to what you're being told

 

[usmax1]

We just told you that you don't need steroids because your diet and training is more than likely shit, and then you come up with a bullshit cycle like that.. do you know about ester lengths and half life's..

As for useless posts, you are the one who came to us asking for help.. just because its not what you want to hear then its useless.. you have a shit attitude and sound like a spoilt kid

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You consider a 4,000 Calories Diet per day that contains over 180 grams of protein plus creatine, fish oil "Shit"? did you even read my diet? you fuckin bull-shitter.

My training is Shit? Why? workingout hard for 1.5 hr a day 4 days a week and ONLY because I am not doing deadlift means my training is "Shit" and i am NOT going to grow? you f-u- ck head, most of HUGE bodybuilders (Like the twins on youtube) NEVER do deallift because it is considered to be dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECrDgeJi6y0


>>As for useless posts, you are the one who came to us asking for help.. just because its not what you want to hear then its useless.. you have a shit attitude and sound like a spoilt kid

Do you want me crack and smash your fuc- ki- ng head on your computer desk? Do you even know what is natural bodybuilding is? and how hard it is to going a single pound of muscle when your body dont want to? you di-ck head useless steroid junkie. Go fuck your mother in the a -ss instead of trying to play the smart guy on somebody needs some advises. you fuckin di-ck redneck.

 

[usmax1]

You get 1 warning: NEVER call anyone useless on EF again...

Open your freakin' ears and listen to what you're being told

>>You get 1 warning: NEVER call anyone useless on EF again...
>>Open your freakin' ears and listen to what you're being told

Why don't you just shut the fu-ck up and enjoy suc- king my c -ock?


Admin: Delete and Ban or do whatever the fuck you wanna do.

 

[wootoom]

Enjot a timeout, and if you talk to a mod that way again you can have a nice Perma ban

 

[TheZ06Guy]

DIET DIET DIET.. I used to be so fat and worked out 6 days a week.. Toned up my diet amd its all good.. Search nutrition forums!

 

[EZ_E]

>>You get 1 warning: NEVER call anyone useless on EF again...
>>Open your freakin' ears and listen to what you're being told

Why don't you just shut the fu-ck up and enjoy suc- king my c -ock?


Admin: Delete and Ban or do whatever the fuck you wanna do.

Wow. Good 1.

 

[notjake11]

You consider a 4,000 Calories Diet per day that contains over 180 grams of protein plus creatine, fish oil "Shit"? did you even read my diet? you fuckin bull-shitter.

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Actually yes, that is a pretty lousy diet. You're trying to bulk getting only 180 grams of protein a day? The calorie total is fine but you should be hitting a MINIMUM of 250g of protein a day and preferably closer to 300g. It should come from a variety of sources and should be mostly from whole food rather than protein powders.

 

[bonacris]

You consider a 4,000 Calories Diet per day that contains over 180 grams of protein plus creatine, fish oil "Shit"? did you even read my diet? you fuckin bull-shitter.

My training is Shit? Why? workingout hard for 1.5 hr a day 4 days a week and ONLY because I am not doing deadlift means my training is "Shit" and i am NOT going to grow? you f-u- ck head, most of HUGE bodybuilders (Like the twins on youtube) NEVER do deallift because it is considered to be dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECrDgeJi6y0


>>As for useless posts, you are the one who came to us asking for help.. just because its not what you want to hear then its useless.. you have a shit attitude and sound like a spoilt kid

Do you want me crack and smash your fuc- ki- ng head on your computer desk? Do you even know what is natural bodybuilding is? and how hard it is to going a single pound of muscle when your body dont want to? you di-ck head useless steroid junkie. Go fuck your mother in the a -ss instead of trying to play the smart guy on somebody needs some advises. you fuckin di-ck redneck.

This guys pretty mad

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[burnthiscorpse]

You consider a 4,000 Calories Diet per day that contains over 180 grams of protein plus creatine, fish oil "Shit"? did you even read my diet? you fuckin bull-shitter.

My training is Shit? Why? workingout hard for 1.5 hr a day 4 days a week and ONLY because I am not doing deadlift means my training is "Shit" and i am NOT going to grow? you f-u- ck head, most of HUGE bodybuilders (Like the twins on youtube) NEVER do deallift because it is considered to be dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECrDgeJi6y0


>>As for useless posts, you are the one who came to us asking for help.. just because its not what you want to hear then its useless.. you have a shit attitude and sound like a spoilt kid

Do you want me crack and smash your fuc- ki- ng head on your computer desk? Do you even know what is natural bodybuilding is? and how hard it is to going a single pound of muscle when your body dont want to? you di-ck head useless steroid junkie. Go fuck your mother in the a -ss instead of trying to play the smart guy on somebody needs some advises. you fuckin di-ck redneck.

what a retard. any of you noobs might take a lesson on how not to act when people dont give you the advice you dont want to hear. this jackass is the poster child for people not mature enough for AAS.

maybe we could get this pile of shit thread locked before it goes to hell any further?