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rofl.. i got challenged to a fight by a karate black belt

Yarg!

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some black belt friend of mine who's been taking karate for 8 solid yrs challenged me to a full contact, 100 percent power, going till KO or TO sparring session/fight. funny thing is i have 8 weeks of muay thai and about 3 months of brazilian jiu jitsu. he challenged me after he heard stories of this real fight that i was in, in which i used bjj in a real world situation and came out the winner. so i guess he wants to prove himself or something and issued a challenge. ofcourse i am coming in with no expectations for myself, since i respect karate as an art- expecially 8 yrs of it. however, if i beat him, this will look absolutely appaling for his art, whereas if i lose ppl will just go "8 weeks vs 8 yrs... no wonder he lost, oh well". so i have nothing to lose and everything to gain whereas he has nothing to gain and everything to lose. expect video in a few weeks, we can even karma bookie this, LOL. my game plan is to come in agressive, jab cross, jab, round house to the thigh and shoot for the legs. assume mount and start the ground and pount and/or look for a submission.
 
my greatest gift is my ability to never be over confident. hopefully i can use that to my advantage. i know hes got 8 yrs, i know exactly what im capable off, im not gonna run my mouth, there is no animosity between us, itll jus tbe a good old fashion brawl. if i lose which i have a 80 percent chance of doing , oh well, hes a black belt, what did i expect. if i expect to murder him, i have my head in the clouds.
 
Go for it.
If he has 8 years of traditional training, you may still beat him if you have strength and endurance. he will play by the mechanical boundaries that traditionalists follow. you will use anything to give you an advantage. if anything goes, do anything.

and as you say, you have nothing to lose. its good for both of you to fight and learn. its like chess, if you have only a few winning strategies the guy with more may have the advantage. the cross discipline fight will benefit your friend also
 
The style isnt whats important. Its your instincts. Some people can train MA for a whole lifetime, and still be goddamn useless when it comes to fighting, while others just have it in them. Its the heart that matters. If the guy youre fighting never has fought full-contact, then youll have a good chance.
 
Dont try to stand up and punch with him, wait for a high punch or Kick then use a single leg takedown to full mount, then arm bar.
 
take it to the ground. I respect anybodies striking, especially 8 years.

get him on the ground, and he'll be like a fish out of water.
 
Go straight for the takedown bro. Karate kids dont know shit once they get on the ground. Even though straight karate is worthless for streetfighting, its not a good idea to try and go toe to toe with a 8 year blackbelt, so takedown immediately.
 
Hum...this will be very interesting to watch... 8 weeks isnt much but it really depends on how many days a week youv been training, Some of the fellas on here are right, if it was me i would focus on his uper legs(if you go to lower legs you brake things-dont want to do that to your buddy) Wouldnt hurt to work with your instructor on counter striking. Most of the guys hit the nail on the head... IT really depends on his conditioning, or yours.
Nearly the same thing happend to me with a very good friend, He spent a good part of his life doing karate and i in Muay thai, but instead of fighting (which i never trained anything but MT so all i know is 100% power) i invited him to work out with us, After our 3 hour workout he had a much diffrent view on full contact fighting.You might try that. Also were are you located?
 
Raw1 said:
Hum...this will be very interesting to watch... 8 weeks isnt much but it really depends on how many days a week youv been training, Some of the fellas on here are right, if it was me i would focus on his uper legs(if you go to lower legs you brake things-dont want to do that to your buddy) Wouldnt hurt to work with your instructor on counter striking. Most of the guys hit the nail on the head... IT really depends on his conditioning, or yours.
Nearly the same thing happend to me with a very good friend, He spent a good part of his life doing karate and i in Muay thai, but instead of fighting (which i never trained anything but MT so all i know is 100% power) i invited him to work out with us, After our 3 hour workout he had a much diffrent view on full contact fighting.You might try that. Also were are you located?
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i have a plan

shoot straight off the bat, assume cross side, then mount then assume ground and pound.
or i can close the gap, go to clinch, do an in trip , take him down, assume ground and pound or look for subs
i can also do a double leg take down, ground and pound or look for subs
OR
i can slug it out using my counter punching, kicks, knees, elbows- i do have boxing experience so my timing is quite good and my shins are quite hard.
i am in vancouver, BC btw.
 
Yarg! said:
i have a plan

shoot straight off the bat, assume cross side, then mount then assume ground and pound.
or i can close the gap, go to clinch, do an in trip , take him down, assume ground and pound or look for subs
i can also do a double leg take down, ground and pound or look for subs
OR
i can slug it out using my counter punching, kicks, knees, elbows- i do have boxing experience so my timing is quite good and my shins are quite hard.
i am in vancouver, BC btw.
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Watch these two videos and be aspired.:)

Kung Fu master owned by Royce Gracie: http://www.fightclips.net/upload/7n32wza2ne2o.zip


Kung Fu fighter owned by a MMA: http://www.fightclips.net/upload/7ng2vn07ejr4.zip

Depending on his kicking speed I assure you he'll try to kick you, go straight for the takedown. Don't just charge him because if he does have good timing, he will land a good kick on you. Good luck and post the video!!

By the way, thank god I don't have to fight MMA fighters in tournaments.:o I train in Taekwondo and Hapkido and I just have to worry about getting kicked in the face. :p
 
Undertow503 said:
Watch these two videos and be aspired.:)

Kung Fu master owned by Royce Gracie: http://www.fightclips.net/upload/7n32wza2ne2o.zip


Kung Fu fighter owned by a MMA: http://www.fightclips.net/upload/7ng2vn07ejr4.zip
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What makes EITHER of the above ppl "Masters" ? ESPECIALLY the second guy that only went to a "legit" school for under a year ? And by "Legit" I mean a place that was open for business with its own made up style under its own 40-50 year-old "Founder" ! ROFLE ! The guy he was taking on was a PRO , TWICE his size and HALF his age !

And yeah , Royce has won a fight or tweo in his day . The fact that he has NO FREEAKING JOB and trains 10+ hours/day HIS WHOLE LIFE may have a LITTLE something to do with that . Its not the style , you could use ANY system if you trained that much in it .

ANd you would dominate .

Depending on his kicking speed I assure you he'll try to kick you, go straight for the takedown. Don't just charge him because if he does have good timing, he will land a good kick on you. Good luck and post the video!!

By the way, thank god I don't have to fight MMA fighters in tournaments.:o I train in Taekwondo and Hapkido and I just have to worry about getting kicked in the face. :p
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YOu really should at least start Sparring with some . The Gleam would fall off the Rose , and you would realise that you are comparing PROS to AMATEURS , and that if you both train about 8 hours a week or if you oth train about 40 , it becomes a LOT less about Style than it does Intensity , Coindition , and Heart .
 
Yarg :

Unless you REALLY have this dude beat from a Conditioning/Strengt/Mass standpoint , I personally wouldnt do it . 8 years is a LONG time ! Not only that , but DESPITE popular Opinion to the Contrary , some Karate systems - even those considered a JOKE - actual DO have Grappling ! Did you know that Tiger Schullman's was WINNING at NAGA every year ? Thats right , the McDojo ! Goju and Wado both have "Go To" ground sumissions , if not a COMPLETE Ground game it means they arent "Helpless" by ANY means , and Shito-Ryu is pretty damned hot in the Clinch , easily comperable to MT .

The Idea that you can be assred that you will "Own" someone in a particular range just by looking at his STYLE is SILLY ! in my Origional system wich is SO not noted for its Groundwork we would spar no matter what until one person gave in ! This meant standing up , lying down , Swimming , whatever ! presuming that someone elses training follows the lines that would give you the greatest advantadge is stupidity . Especially since Groundfigting has become QUITE famous since 1993 !
 
Djimbe said:
Yarg :

Unless you REALLY have this dude beat from a Conditioning/Strengt/Mass standpoint , I personally wouldnt do it . 8 years is a LONG time ! Not only that , but DESPITE popular Opinion to the Contrary , some Karate systems - even those considered a JOKE - actual DO have Grappling ! Did you know that Tiger Schullman's was WINNING at NAGA every year ? Thats right , the McDojo ! Goju and Wado both have "Go To" ground sumissions , if not a COMPLETE Ground game it means they arent "Helpless" by ANY means , and Shito-Ryu is pretty damned hot in the Clinch , easily comperable to MT .

The Idea that you can be assred that you will "Own" someone in a particular range just by looking at his STYLE is SILLY ! in my Origional system wich is SO not noted for its Groundwork we would spar no matter what until one person gave in ! This meant standing up , lying down , Swimming , whatever ! presuming that someone elses training follows the lines that would give you the greatest advantadge is stupidity . Especially since Groundfigting has become QUITE famous since 1993 !
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i am like really fit so i know i can own him in the conditioning aspect. my body is also quite conditioned to blows from previous boxing exp, and with boxing comes punching power. i dont think this guy has a ground game at all, because i asked him once, and hes like "i know like two submissions and ones on the ground, and its soo awkward for me to do". also i was talking to him like a year ago and i asked him in the event of a takedown, what would guys from his school do, and he didnt have an answer. also his defense against roundhouse kicks to the thigh was just to absorb it. he take sit at a community center , like YMCA, so its not like a full fledged hardcore dojo. i dont know his instructors credentials, but i honestly think this is just another run of the mill mc whatever, and another run of the mill community center, after school karate class.
 
dont embarass him if thats the case.. try to convert him.

i would close the distance right off the bat..
 
dude when iwin (IF i do) i will just help him to his feet and be very modest about it. even in real fights, whenever i win, and they tap out or apologize, back down, get knocked down, etc, i ask them if theyre ok and help them back to their feet. then we make peace. if i do win, i really just want to advertise gracie barra jiu jitsi and hopefully make ppl more aware about the benefits of cross training, and the importance of a well developed ground game.
 
good call..

ive fought like this a few times and most of the time it ended cool and the guy started taking lessons or something like that..
 
I hope he studied under the old school system of the JKA and does shotokhan under the old school japanese guys. Cause if he hits you with a rverse punch while you shoot, you are gonna be knocked the fuck out. Never go in there thinking you are gonna own someone, cause then you just get your ass kicked
 
holy shit its lord suston!! dude, you hooked me up with soo much info on training on the old training forums, back in '03. i havent seen you in forever. dont worry i dont think im gonna own him or anything- as you can tell by my posts on the topic i am quite a modest fellow. this is the style of karate my opponent studies:

http://www.gima-ha.ca/
 
Yarg! said:
my greatest gift is my ability to never be over confident. hopefully i can use that to my advantage. i know hes got 8 yrs, i know exactly what im capable off, im not gonna run my mouth, there is no animosity between us, itll jus tbe a good old fashion brawl. if i lose which i have a 80 percent chance of doing , oh well, hes a black belt, what did i expect. if i expect to murder him, i have my head in the clouds.
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I'm rarely confident myself
tho I talk some good bs...
 
Lokk the basic techynique to destroy most people in Karate is lateral movement since their power is dervied from solid stances and short crisp strikes. ON the outside use a solid jab, sidestep away from his lead leg and shoot, if you want to know how I know, look up Gerald Evans
 
I tell you what man since your just getting started i would really try to keep him as a friend and just invite him to work out with you, ITS VERY nice to have people with different back grounds to spar against. For me living in a large martial arts community and having a lot of people with different backgrounds to occasionally work out with means an awful lot. There’s no hurry for you to fight him, and you don’t want to look sloppy, if I was your trainer I would encourage you not to do any fighting until you have trained for at least 6 months, several days a week, that way you can truly represent MT. Dont forget you can try to bet the shit out of him any time, but after that it will be a lot harder to get him to workout with you! Keep him as a friend and try to learn something from him (he has been training for 8 years and has to know something).
 
Yarg! said:
dude when iwin (IF i do) i will just help him to his feet and be very modest about it. even in real fights, whenever i win, and they tap out or apologize, back down, get knocked down, etc, i ask them if theyre ok and help them back to their feet. then we make peace. if i do win, i really just want to advertise gracie barra jiu jitsi and hopefully make ppl more aware about the benefits of cross training, and the importance of a well developed ground game.
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In a controlled environment, this is good kharma, Just remember to stomp their face if its street.
 
Frankly, as a black belt, it sounds like this person is a very immature black belt and really does not have an idea what the art is all about. If he did, he would not go around challenging you. Karate is for self defense,period! He should know that.




Yarg! said:
some black belt friend of mine who's been taking karate for 8 solid yrs challenged me to a full contact, 100 percent power, going till KO or TO sparring session/fight. funny thing is i have 8 weeks of muay thai and about 3 months of brazilian jiu jitsu. he challenged me after he heard stories of this real fight that i was in, in which i used bjj in a real world situation and came out the winner. so i guess he wants to prove himself or something and issued a challenge. ofcourse i am coming in with no expectations for myself, since i respect karate as an art- expecially 8 yrs of it. however, if i beat him, this will look absolutely appaling for his art, whereas if i lose ppl will just go "8 weeks vs 8 yrs... no wonder he lost, oh well". so i have nothing to lose and everything to gain whereas he has nothing to gain and everything to lose. expect video in a few weeks, we can even karma bookie this, LOL. my game plan is to come in agressive, jab cross, jab, round house to the thigh and shoot for the legs. assume mount and start the ground and pount and/or look for a submission.
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i lost the fight. but only because i forfeited during the fight. it turned into a slugfest. i landed some solid kicks on him, no punches. he got one punch in but threw like 300 wild ones. holy shit those are terrifying to defend. so basically 90 percent of the time, i went toe to toe with a black belt with 4 weeks of muay thai, 6 wks, but ive been out 2 due to a shoulder injury (more on that later). the shoulder has a ripped tendon (1 month prior) , but its been healing lately due to some therapy and light cardio. however, today i landed two take downs, but the first was SOOOOOOOOOOOO sloppy, i am soo ashamed, after i landed that TKD, he managed to escape my mount atempt. the 2nd take down went FAR better, however, the moment he crashed to the ground, i put one hand out to stop myself, and that hand happened to be my bad shoulder. and it popped out of its socket for a bit and tore the muscle again. so i stopped. funny thing is i was JSUT about to get mount to being the ground and pound. he knew it too, the black belt said that the last takedown went well and that he was about to be mounted for a ground and pound. but during the peak of my side of this fight, i stopped. halfway to mount, i stopped and said ," i cant, my shoulder just got blown". so ill give him the win: im a man.. i can deal with my loses. i am quite happy with my 4 wks of standup vs 8 yrs of karate. my only injury from this fight was a shoulder injury that i caused bymyself. whereas he got some huge ass bruises on his thighs courtesy of muay thai. well expect the video shortly so you can analyze it to your hearts content. as for me i gotta go get some more ice .
 
Yarg! said:
i lost the fight. but only because i forfeited during the fight. it turned into a slugfest. i landed some solid kicks on him, no punches. he got one punch in but threw like 300 wild ones. holy shit those are terrifying to defend. so basically 90 percent of the time, i went toe to toe with a black belt with 4 weeks of muay thai, 6 wks, but ive been out 2 due to a shoulder injury (more on that later). the shoulder has a ripped tendon (1 month prior) , but its been healing lately due to some therapy and light cardio. however, today i landed two take downs, but the first was SOOOOOOOOOOOO sloppy, i am soo ashamed, after i landed that TKD, he managed to escape my mount atempt. the 2nd take down went FAR better, however, the moment he crashed to the ground, i put one hand out to stop myself, and that hand happened to be my bad shoulder. and it popped out of its socket for a bit and tore the muscle again. so i stopped. funny thing is i was JSUT about to get mount to being the ground and pound. he knew it too, the black belt said that the last takedown went well and that he was about to be mounted for a ground and pound. but during the peak of my side of this fight, i stopped. halfway to mount, i stopped and said ," i cant, my shoulder just got blown". so ill give him the win: im a man.. i can deal with my loses. i am quite happy with my 4 wks of standup vs 8 yrs of karate. my only injury from this fight was a shoulder injury that i caused bymyself. whereas he got some huge ass bruises on his thighs courtesy of muay thai. well expect the video shortly so you can analyze it to your hearts content. as for me i gotta go get some more ice .
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Good on 'ya Yarg for following through and giving all you had!!! By the sounds of it, I'd hardly call that a loss. Can't wait to see the video :)
 
No Contest-when injury happen not due to direct blow from an opponent, it is usually called a no contest, I would assume this in your case
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Yarg! again.

great job on the fight

trading punches w/ him was probably a bit silly but oh well good job..

i hope to see the vid soon
 
I would like to see the video too! Sounds like an interesting fight. Personally, I don't believe in belt systems... I train in traditional chinese martial arts. I believe the level of your ability is based on how much and hard you train and not a color of a belt. I have seen too many "black belts" who can't even spar...
 
ryu-ryu said:
I would like to see the video too! Sounds like an interesting fight. Personally, I don't believe in belt systems... I train in traditional chinese martial arts. I believe the level of your ability is based on how much and hard you train and not a color of a belt. I have seen too many "black belts" who can't even spar...
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I agree 100%. Its how much effort you put into it, not what colour your belt is. When you have a 1000 mcdojos, who promise you "a new belt every 3 months, or your money back", belts aint worth a damn. And besides, you have to spar to learn. Its that simple.
 
thats why i really like judo or at least the way most people in judo earnthere belts

to get promoted through my organizatin you HAVE to compete and you have to WIN against people your rank or higher

so even if you see a greenbelt on the mat you know that person has put it on the line, went out and fought and won.

but i do agree that belts are used to keep the jacket closed.. i train with some ridiculously great partners who have very low ranks just due to the fact that they have not competed much.. at my club we have a white belt who can throw a black belt (the bb came from another club and the white belt is home grown)

at the very least you had to have learned some things from this fight and that will help you down the road..

keep it up!!!
 
Why fight at all. I have been in the arts for over 20 years. The only time to engage you opponent is when faced with a life threatening situation or in a tournament.

However if you try to fight with him. What you do is what I teach my young students it is part of a PPCT technique. I call it the fairy flip.

Just as you think let your wrist flip like a fairy lose. Now that you have that down with the back side of you hand slap the opponent on the side of the neck. This is a quick slap not hard just like a slap .I will guarantee the biggest bad mother goes down fight over.

I had an 11 year old do this to one of my Black Belts down and out in seconds. The embarrassing factor is what comes in to play now. 

If that does not get it done joint manipulation is the only way to go.with PPCT as a secondary measure people forget that we have over 110 pressure points that could disable an opponet rather quick.

Peace
Keup
 
keup said:
Why fight at all. I have been in the arts for over 20 years. The only time to engage you opponent is when faced with a life threatening situation or in a tournament.

However if you try to fight with him. What you do is what I teach my young students it is part of a PPCT technique. I call it the fairy flip.

Just as you think let your wrist flip like a fairy lose. Now that you have that down with the back side of you hand slap the opponent on the side of the neck. This is a quick slap not hard just like a slap .I will guarantee the biggest bad mother goes down fight over.

I had an 11 year old do this to one of my Black Belts down and out in seconds. The embarrassing factor is what comes in to play now. 

If that does not get it done joint manipulation is the only way to go.with PPCT as a secondary measure people forget that we have over 110 pressure points that could disable an opponet rather quick.

Peace
Keup
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wow....i'm trying really hard not to knock your style or technique, but that's a bunch of mumbo-jumbo....try some pressure point crap or pimp slap on me, and you'll get your arm broke. period. no offense, but i just don't understand the practicality of teaching something like that....if you can make sense of it, please do.
 
JayC9 said:
where's the video?
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ok this is the update. a friend of mine was filming it with a camera she borrowd from her film school. however, being the dufus that she is, returned the camera, but kept ht etape. without the camera i cant hook it up to the pc and upload it. so im trying to find an alternative way to upload it on the PC. its coming, hand tight.
 
Yarg! said:
some black belt friend of mine who's been taking karate for 8 solid yrs challenged me to a full contact, 100 percent power, going till KO or TO sparring session/fight. funny thing is i have 8 weeks of muay thai and about 3 months of brazilian jiu jitsu. he challenged me after he heard stories of this real fight that i was in, in which i used bjj in a real world situation and came out the winner. so i guess he wants to prove himself or something and issued a challenge. ofcourse i am coming in with no expectations for myself, since i respect karate as an art- expecially 8 yrs of it. however, if i beat him, this will look absolutely appaling for his art, whereas if i lose ppl will just go "8 weeks vs 8 yrs... no wonder he lost, oh well". so i have nothing to lose and everything to gain whereas he has nothing to gain and everything to lose. expect video in a few weeks, we can even karma bookie this, LOL. my game plan is to come in agressive, jab cross, jab, round house to the thigh and shoot for the legs. assume mount and start the ground and pount and/or look for a submission.
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There is something very wrong with this "Black Belt".
(1) If he is 2nd or 3rd Degree, he has a position of responsibilty. To issue such a challenge to you is unbecomming.
(2) If he is a 2-3 day a week "participant" and earned some rank from putting in his time ... he is a "paper tiger" and might never have been tested with true violence.

Do a little more homework on this guy. Ex-military? Leads a class with normal men, women and children? Trophies? (For forms, breaking..or fighting?) Does his style include "breaking" as essential ... like Tang Soo Doo?

Many, many black belts are not tough guys ... no killer heart. Some are killers and will hurt you badly. Any Black Belt who breaks at the 3rd level and above has the capacity to hurt you.

Should you go ahead .... demand rounds ... watch his breathing .... He may fade quickly. Then simply box him until he quits. For all his kicks ... just block them. The more he kicks, the quicker he will tire out. Punch his biceps a lot so he'll drop his hands. If allowed, kick his knees. Slap his ears a lot so his head rings and he loses balance.

Wear a bullet proof cup. As he tires, his kicks will come in lower.

I do not recommend grappling until you see what he offers in the first round.

Should you discover he is a bull shitter and he gets tired and you can win easily ... Take the high road and let him quit.

If he is for real .... Block a lot, move a lot and do not offer him an extended arm or leg to strike. Pull that jab and kick back quickly.

Good luck.
 
keup said:
Why fight at all. I have been in the arts for over 20 years. The only time to engage you opponent is when faced with a life threatening situation or in a tournament. Keup
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Why fight at all? Dont we fight each other to prepare for the day when we may fight for our lives? their fight was controlled, such is a tournament, though not as grand.

joint manipulation shouldnt be relied upon, no one stands still. going through the motions of training may be great for confidence, but its the saddest thing when confronted by the unknown violence of reality. any training that only fights itself is limiting itself to itself. these guys cross trained, which is a good thing, though Yarg, fighting with an injury wasnt smart, but atleast in that, you know your limitations while fighting injured.
 
JUDO TOM OR anyone else with BJJ vs Judo info

Hey im looking for a little insight on Judo... I know nothing about it, i would prefer to study BJJ but there isnt a full time gym here where i live i practice MT alot and am pretty good but only train BJJ once a week and my ground work needs help,
THere is a Judo place here in town thats pretty good i guess....Can you tell me how it compares to BJJ?
Im not looking to play tag but something that will really work in the ring.
What do you think?
 
judo and bjj are pretty much the same thing.. bjj does a lot of ground work.. up to 90% on the mat. judo does a lot of standing.. up to 90%

my judo club is like 40% standing 60% mat work

with a good instructor judo will def help your bjj game.

if you are only interested in mma then judo will help. it will help w/ take down defense, throws, chokes, armlocks, positioning, transfering from ground to standing and standing to ground, it will make you strong, fast and tough.

again most judo schools are going to be focused on olympic/sport judo and most likely focus more on the standing game (throws/suplexes/takedowns/sweeps) then the ground game.

go check out the school and see what its. like.. if you know the name of the instructor let me know and i can find out some info for you..

if you have any questions let me know.
 
oh you can also look for sambo schools in your area.. but good luck with that... it is not too popular in the US

FYI sambo is pretty much just russian judo w/ leglocks (HUGE SIMPLIFICATION I KNOW BUT CLOSE)
 
if youre looking to improve strictly ground game, i would recommend bjj or wrestling moreso than any other art mainly because of the sheer emphasis they have on ground work.
 
First off, i think that a challenge is bullshit. The martial arts are about respect, and using your taught abilities in last resort.

Other than that- a tip about karate. Yes, they are quick, sure if they get a hit on you, it'll hurt, but karate deals with very little of close contact, and even grappling. Jiu Jitsu will help you out- take him down, and do your thing.
Also:
Karate vs. Karate also does not permit hitting in the face... Maybe thats how he trained?
 
Yarg! said:
if youre looking to improve strictly ground game, i would recommend bjj or wrestling moreso than any other art mainly because of the sheer emphasis they have on ground work.
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IMO it is way more important to find a good instructor w/ a good club

for instance where i live i drive past 2 bjj schools on my way to judo. my instructor has more time on the matt then every student and instructor in both clubs. the instructors have like 3-5 years total BJJ experience where my sensei has 36. now this is a bit strange i know but if you are in my area taking bjj you are paying wayyyyy to much for less instruction.

im not hating on those clubs.. they are cool the guys have fun are getting in great shape and really doing well. also just for the record both schools are not mcdojo's or trying to claim they are world champs..

and sometimes rank/experience of the teacher doesnt mean much. my first bjj instructor was a blue belt with 5 months of bjj.. meanwhile i had 2 years of judo but this guy was a great instructor FOR ME. He covered every little detail of the basics and was really good at pointing out my weak spots and motivating me to blend my judo and bjj.

the style is 'almost' irrelevant. if you are in judo and are being taught a piss poor armbar that is your instructors fault not judo. if you are in bjj and learning piss poor takedowns/throws that is your instructors fault not bjj.

the techniques should be very very similar just sligh variations due to the sport.

again this is just my opinon
 
kimblesaurus said:
wow....i'm trying really hard not to knock your style or technique, but that's a bunch of mumbo-jumbo....try some pressure point crap or pimp slap on me, and you'll get your arm broke. period. no offense, but i just don't understand the practicality of teaching something like that....if you can make sense of it, please do.
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Ahh my friend no knocks I am way past the physical part of the art. When one finds the inner strength then he or she will evolve in the arts. I am going to tell you a student that knows pressure points to the highest extent is going to take you out of the game the end sorry.
The white crane technique is awesome very rare to find in the West. Dim Mak and pressure points is not a magic but a science to be taught, learned, and respected much like the proven sciences of our age.

However bodily harm is not what the arts is all about as one person said use the techniques when faced with grave danger. I have seen it done in the Dojo, I have studied the techniques and had them applied with control. They do work and yes death could be swift if carless.

Anyway to each is own in the arts I was just trying to give you a view on another approach that is not seen in the West to much check the link out and open your mind to something new you will be surprised.

http://www.dimmak.net/

Peace
 
araiber said:
First off, i think that a challenge is bullshit. The martial arts are about respect, and using your taught abilities in last resort.

Other than that- a tip about karate. Yes, they are quick, sure if they get a hit on you, it'll hurt, but karate deals with very little of close contact, and even grappling. Jiu Jitsu will help you out- take him down, and do your thing.
Also:
Karate vs. Karate also does not permit hitting in the face... Maybe thats how he trained?
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why is a challenge bullshit?
 
Yes, why is it bullshit?

Respect, thats bullshit. You only respect your training, and those who help you. this was a controlled challenge, to compare. I bet it helped each of them to gain more insight into themselves.

Using your abilities as a last resort, well then how do you train? XBOX?
They werent fighting to the death. Ego may have started it, but it was between people who know each other, and did have the respect.

Last time I trained, it was about being the last man standing.
And last time I had to fight outside the controlled environment of tuition, I only had respect for myself, none for the person who didnt respect the warning. I dont train to respect, only to injure.
 
Judo Tom said:
IMO it is way more important to find a good instructor w/ a good club

for instance where i live i drive past 2 bjj schools on my way to judo. my instructor has more time on the matt then every student and instructor in both clubs. the instructors have like 3-5 years total BJJ experience where my sensei has 36. now this is a bit strange i know but if you are in my area taking bjj you are paying wayyyyy to much for less instruction.

im not hating on those clubs.. they are cool the guys have fun are getting in great shape and really doing well. also just for the record both schools are not mcdojo's or trying to claim they are world champs..

and sometimes rank/experience of the teacher doesnt mean much. my first bjj instructor was a blue belt with 5 months of bjj.. meanwhile i had 2 years of judo but this guy was a great instructor FOR ME. He covered every little detail of the basics and was really good at pointing out my weak spots and motivating me to blend my judo and bjj.

the style is 'almost' irrelevant. if you are in judo and are being taught a piss poor armbar that is your instructors fault not judo. if you are in bjj and learning piss poor takedowns/throws that is your instructors fault not bjj.

the techniques should be very very similar just sligh variations due to the sport.

again this is just my opinon
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totally agree tom. instructors will ofcourse make or break your abilities. i was just saying that if hes looking for strictly ground work, no other art emphasises ground work more than bjj or submission wrestling since thats basically all they do.
 
Yarg! said:
heres an awesome video concerning the effectiveness of pressure point systems and dim mak- its amazing, you gotta see. like dim mak totally blew my mind cuz it kicks soo much ass.

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Links&file=viewlinkinfo&id=122
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He he, I did not see the ironi in your post at first, so when I watched the video, I was rather surprised. I remember thinking to my self, WTF this guy is a total scam. How can someone find this impressive. Thankfully, I saw the error of my previous assumptions

I liked his excuse that his "touch of death", or whatever only works on 40% of the population, and not on someone is well trained in knitting or (insert low level activity here).

Apparently, since it only seemed to "work" on his students, you could conclude that they are all unfit morons without grasp on reality, himself included.
Maybe smokin dried mushrooms is a prerequsite for attending his class.

When watching them all fall down after being "stunned" by his amazing jedi powers, a little voice inside my head startet proclaiming:

The Oscar goes to Grandmaster B, for his excellent potrayal of a Stupid Gitt, in the feature film "Delusions of grandeur"
A tragic tale of what one to many kicks to the head can do to your psyche.

But I have to admit, I know far too little about martial arts and dim mak to form an educated opinion, so I settle for this uneducated one.
Thanks for reading my crap :)
 
Well im going to go check it out.. im not interested in what they have to offer in any stand up fighting, I train MT several times a week and am convinced that is the only way to go for stand up but i need something for the middle.. or take downs thats why im interested. but frankly im not into a bunch of nonsense and silliness.....i know this sounds arrogant but to me after training MT for several years it seams like any other studio i walking into they are full of them selves and NEVER REALY INCOUNTER TRUE VILENCE! Then man that trained me was for sure truly violent and after spending so much time with him its hard to go to these places were the talk them selves up and jump around like fool.
Now im not saying that these judo guys are like that at all.. iv not been yet... ill see i guess.
 
i might edit your post to remove judo guys.. dimmak is NOTHING LIKE JUDO!!!!!!!!

im not saying one is better then the other or anything like that but they are not even close

judo is a more refined form of jujitsu (Traditional) that focus's on throwing your opponent by off balancing him and using momemtum and leverage. It was created by a small man to make him more effective against stronger opponents using science to your advantage as opposed to raw power. It is mainly trained as a sport with success in competition being the main focus.

If you have any questions about Judo feel free to ask me. I think it would be great to compliment MTT

also dont loose respect for people if they are not training as hardcore as you. I know you didnt say that you said you lose respect if they talk themselves up but you also mentioned how hard you train and well just cause someone isnt training hard does not mean that you can not take something away from training with them. and by guessing how hard you can train in MTT if you dont have that attitude it will be hard to progress.

good luck
 
Judo Tom-I have actually met Dillman and seem him in action. Funny thing is he only work and demostrates on his student (though one of the moves is scientifically correect it is a shot to the corotids that causes people to pass out, it is called vagal point/corotid massage). I prefer the sport types of martial art since the have good tradition but are always evolving due to competitive pressure and great athletes
 
Im def a sport fan myself and I am pretty much only focusing on olympic judo now but its loads of fun and i just really enjoy competing.

that doesnt mean i dismiss other arts or that i dont like other arts its just that with training in judo 6x a week its hard to fit much else in.

i really dont have an opinion on dim mak to be honest. Ive seen some vids that show the worst of it but every story has two sides.
 
True, I like the grace and style of the classical martial arts (I am biased toward Shotokan,lol) But I love to watch the refinement and aplication of sporting combat styles. Example Mayweather boxing is an awesome display of athleticism, grace, explosive power, balance, timing and distance. But you are right there are two sides to every story
 
Pressure points... try toiuching your opponents buttons on his shirt next time. if you can, maybe the kiss of the dragon is for you.

it involves fine motor skills, and in theory will work. but more than theory is needed. physical application against an unknown opponent will cause adrenaline to shut down your fine motor skills. now try poking that spot.

Also, the flow of CHI is needed to be understood. when they say it only works on 40% of people. its because male/female/age/season/etc alter the tidal flow of Chi and the aspects only work if the alignment of Chi and the spot are mutual.

pressure points my ass. as a practice to sharpen awareness, great. as a stand alone MA, your screwed.
 
Yarg! said:
heres an awesome video concerning the effectiveness of pressure point systems and dim mak- its amazing, you gotta see. like dim mak totally blew my mind cuz it kicks soo much ass.

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Links&file=viewlinkinfo&id=122
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there's a guy at the local church that does a similar trick.....never realised he was a martial arts expert

the power of persuasion, if you believe in something enough it can have strange effects on your body and mind

and i still want to see your vid bro
 
what style of karate has he done for 8 years?

if it is kyokushin, or an offshoot, like enshin, you could be in for some trouble
 
I say take it to the ground too. But make sure before you fight that he understands that submissions and ground fighting are part of it. Otherwise he will start whining and calling you a cheater while he is turning purple from a choke.
 
did u guys read my posts at all? ive already fought him and the video is coming...
 
Hey where is the Video mang?
 
Ok heres the chronicle of events after the fight.
As you guys know, I lost. This is what happened. The girl who was filming borrowed her camera from her school (Vancouver Film School) anyways, she could only have it out for a day, but the students can keep the little diskete. She kept the diskete, but because she is an idiot (like I'm talking really fucking stupid), she returned the camera without uploading the video to her PC. So there was no way I could upload the diskete (she actually gave the disk to me, but what can I do, if I don't have the camera?) so it collects dust for a few days. Now the Blackbelt and I , as mentioned before, are good friends. We start talking on MSN, and hes like Good fight, what not. I tell him of my situation, and he tells me he has the SAME camera, and that HE can upload it to his PC. So I am like, "Ok I'll give you the disk." I give it to him in college the next day. This is like a week after the fight. Anyways, I didn't hear from him for abit, till he signs on again a week later, and so I ask him where the video is. He tells me that apparently we were fucking around alot, and that it was kinda embarrasing because we were like making stupid jokes and stuff BEFORE the fight started (prolly out of nervousness), so hes going to edit this stuff out (hes also a film student). Now a week goes by, and I ask where it is, and he says hes been too busy to edit it. I ask him a week later, and he says hes still TOO busy to edit it, and that if I want it, I can have the disk back. But theres really nothing I can do with the disk, so I just tell him to get to it when he gets the chance and when his schedule permits him. Now he transfered colleges, so I dont see him in school anymore. I really don't know what happened to the disk, but I am sure he still has it. He hasn't signed in on MSN in awhile too. I figured , once I get the video up , then I will post about it, and since its MIA at the moment, theres not much I can do. I hope this clears things up.
 
Moral of the story:


Use a regular film camera next time.





-BRR
 
You Know the funny thing abiut this whole situation is that you think if you beat him it will be determental to his art. Just b/c you beat him means nothing more than you kicked his ass. He is not the all encompassing bosy of Karate and nither are you of BJJ and Muay Tai. It's going to do nothing for either sport. All it's going to do is boost one of your EGO's and knock the other ones down. A true martials artists will not have to prove himself to anyone. This guy being a black belt in karate for 8 years is probably not that good to begin with since he feels he has to prove himself. Like I ahve always said it's not the art in the person but the person in the art.
 
First of all if your fighting with rules your ground game will work good, if the rules allow elbows to the head any wrestler will get killed in a real fight, thats why they dont allow elbows to the top of the head in UFC so the wrestlers have a chance. I mean think about it, if they allowed elbows to the head then wrestlers could never do those lame takedowns then mount you and all you are allowed to do is go to guard and hold on for dear life , Give me a fuckin break! In a real fight Id crack a wrestlers egg head so fast he would never try a takedown again. If you have a killer instinct and fight with fear you can have limited skills and come out on top. :chomp:
 
mikey007 said:
First of all if your fighting with rules your ground game will work good, if the rules allow elbows to the head any wrestler will get killed in a real fight, thats why they dont allow elbows to the top of the head in UFC so the wrestlers have a chance. I mean think about it, if they allowed elbows to the head then wrestlers could never do those lame takedowns then mount you and all you are allowed to do is go to guard and hold on for dear life , Give me a fuckin break! In a real fight Id crack a wrestlers egg head so fast he would never try a takedown again. If you have a killer instinct and fight with fear you can have limited skills and come out on top. :chomp:
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Mikey, is that to say that the UFC allows elbows to the face but not to the head? School me as I'm not up on all of the rules.
 
Yea for instance if you have a guy in guard or a guy gets you on your back and is trying to mount you You cannot elbow strike to the top of the head. IMO its to give all this wrestling and BJJ BS more hype. Because in a real fight thats exactly the way you would defend that, if you are a striker. Most people are gonna tell you its for saftey reasons, but how can that be when you are the guy on bottom and a knee to the head when a guy is shooting in is not more dangerous?? Its a bogus rule to me.
 
mikey007 said:
Yea for instance if you have a guy in guard or a guy gets you on your back and is trying to mount you You cannot elbow strike to the top of the head. IMO its to give all this wrestling and BJJ BS more hype. Because in a real fight thats exactly the way you would defend that, if you are a striker. Most people are gonna tell you its for saftey reasons, but how can that be when you are the guy on bottom and a knee to the head when a guy is shooting in is not more dangerous?? Its a bogus rule to me.
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Watch some NO RULES vale tudo matches from brazil, that allow head elbows and then tell me bjj doesnt work or is bs or whatever your getting at.
 
mikey007 said:
Yea for instance if you have a guy in guard or a guy gets you on your back and is trying to mount you You cannot elbow strike to the top of the head. IMO its to give all this wrestling and BJJ BS more hype. Because in a real fight thats exactly the way you would defend that, if you are a striker. Most people are gonna tell you its for saftey reasons, but how can that be when you are the guy on bottom and a knee to the head when a guy is shooting in is not more dangerous?? Its a bogus rule to me.
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Dude your funny did you ever see the first UFC???No rules and BJJ dominated! also Vale Tudo matches!!!. Common your talking non sense
 
taught Karate and Muay thai, no worries about karate. Id be more concerned with the mental fitness of the fighter, and his conditioning. I dont care how fast your car is, without gas, its parked!
 
Anyone here noe some of the history dealing with the origins of martial arts. I am speaking in terms of what has been documented, not anything that may have been( like some caveman made it up back in 100,000,000 B.C.) If you do or maybe are interested in this, check out these words on the internet. The first being names or people, the latter being the "styles".

Prajnatara, Ch'ueh Taun Shang-jen, Sakugawa, Kushaku, and Shionja

Shih Pa Lo Han Sho/18 hands of Lo Han, Chuan Fa or Fist Method, wu xing quan
Shuri-te, Chinese Kara-Ho Kempo Karate Kajukenbo
 
study rex kwan do for a day and you will dominate him. Ever since I picked the disipline up I haven't had anyone mess with me.
 
Take a look at what I'm wearing, people. You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it. Last off, my students will learn about self respect. You think anybody thinks I'm a failure because I go home to Starla at night? Forget about it!
 
:lmao:
mesco said:
Take a look at what I'm wearing, people. You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys? Forget about it. Last off, my students will learn about self respect. You think anybody thinks I'm a failure because I go home to Starla at night? Forget about it!
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"Break the arm, walk away."

Right on bro!
 
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