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Longhorn85
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AAP said:
Caught at what? If I was sure that you had said it I would have indicated as much. I wasn't so I didn't.
Longhorn85
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AAP said:
...and speaking of making things up. What do you mean "people have been whispering this?"
What are you, a reporter for the National Enquirer? Enquiring minds want to know where you got that crap from. Name names.
Longhorn85 said:
You are apparently clueless as you are blind in regards to the party.
Do "you guys" read the newspaper?
Check last week on why Arnold was questioned about not sticking around to hear bushie.
But that is last week. Let's be more current. Here, I will post what all Enquiring minds want to ...
NATIONAL GUARD SMOKING GUN?....As you know, 60 Minutes is running a segment tonight that features Ben Barnes explaining how he pulled strings to get George Bush into the National Guard in 1968. But the segment also features something else: new documents from the personal files of Col. Jerry Killian, Bush's squadron commander. According to CBS News, here's a summary of the four new documents they've uncovered:
A direct order to Bush to take a physical examination in 1972. Physical exams are an annual requirement for pilots.
A 1972 memo that refers to a phone call from Bush in which he and Killian "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November" because "he may not have time." This was presumably in preparation for Bush's departure for Alabama that year, but is nonetheless damning since there's no reason that working on a Senate campaign should have prevented him from showing up for drills one weekend per month.
A 1972 order grounding Bush. This order refers not just to Bush's failure to take a physical, but also to "failure to perform to (USAF/TexANG) standards."
A 1973 memo titled "CYA" in which Killian talks about being pressured to give Bush a favorable yearly evaluation. He refuses, saying, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job."
This story is a perfect demonstration of the difference between the Swift Boat controversy and the National Guard controversy. Both are tales from long ago and both are related to Vietnam, but the documentary evidence in the two cases is like night and day. In the Swift Boat case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence indicates that Kerry's accusers are lying. Conversely, in the National Guard case, practically every new piece of documentary evidence provides additional confirmation that the charges against Bush are true.
In fact, these four memos are pretty close to a smoking gun, since it's now clear that (a) Bush was directly ordered to take a physical in 1972 and refused, and (b) he plainly failed to perform up to National Guard standards, but that (c) he was nonetheless saved from a failing evaluation thanks to high-level pressure.
So why did Bush refuse to take a physical that year? And why did he blow off drills for at least the next five months and possibly for a lot longer than that?
And finally, why did he get an honorable discharge anyway?
Bush = coward, liar, idiot drug abuser, self claimed prophet.
The new revelations about President Bush's shirked Air National Guard service will continue the campaign debate about physical bravery. But with Bush, the real issue isn't physical bravery but moral cowardice.
We have a more immediate sense of what physical bravery and cowardice are. In fact, when we speak of bravery and cowardice, the physical variety is almost always what we're talking about. It's whether or not you can charge an enemy position while you're being fired at. It's whether you're immobilized by the fear of death.
Moral cowardice is more complex. A moral coward is someone who lacks the courage to tell the truth, to accept responsibility, to demand accountability, to do what's right when it's not the easy thing to do, to clean up his or her own messes. Perhaps we could say that moral bravery is having both the courage of your convictions as well as the courage of your misdeeds.
On the balance sheet of moral bravery -- as opposed to physical bravery -- John Kerry and George W. Bush were about as far apart as you could be on Vietnam. On the one hand, you have Kerry, who already had doubts about whether we should be fighting in Vietnam before he went but put his life on the line anyway. On the other hand, you have Bush, who supported the war, which means he believed the goal was worth the cost in American lives. Only, not his life. He believed others should go, just not him.
That is almost the definition of moral cowardice. And it's a trait he continues to display as he smears other people's meritorious service (John McCain, Kerry, et al.) without taking responsibility for what he's doing. He gets other people to do his dirty work for him.
What's gone unsaid through most of the campaign is that the president's moral cowardice is a big part of why we're now bogged down in Iraq. It's a key reason why 1,000 Americans have died there. Bush has set the tone for this administration, and his moral cowardice permeates it.
Consider only the most obvious examples.
The president didn't think he could convince the public of the merits of his reasons for going to war. So he and his key advisers lied to them. He greatly exaggerated what was thought to be the evidence of weapons of mass destruction and completely manufactured a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. He couldn't get the country behind him on the up-and-up. So he took the easy way out; he took a shortcut; he deceived them. And now the country is paying a terrible price for it.
He and his advisers knew that if they leveled with the public about the costs of war -- in dollars, years, soldiers -- he'd have a very hard time convincing them. So he didn't level with them. He took the easy way out.
The sort of forward planning that would have made a big difference in postwar Iraq was scuttled or derided because it made the job of selling the war harder. Those who sounded the alarm had their careers cut short.
Once we were in Iraq and it was clear that we had been wrong about the weapons of mass destruction -- a judgment that's been clear for more than a year -- the president refused to admit it. And he still hasn't. A year and a half after we invaded Iraq and he still can't level with the American people about this simple and now obvious reality. He still relies on his vice president to try to fool people into thinking Saddam Hussein was tied to al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.
More important, once it became clear that the president's plans for postwar Iraq were producing poor results, he refused to shift policy or to reshuffle his team. He refused to demand accountability from his own team because of how it would have reflected on him. He has preferred to continue on with demonstrably failed policies because to do otherwise would be to admit he'd made a mistake and open himself up to all the political fallout that would entail. That was something he wasn't willing to do.
The stubborn refusal ever to change course, which the president tries to pass off as a sign of leadership or devotion to principle, is actually an example of his cowardice.
For the same reasons, he runs from soldiers' funerals as if they were burying victims of the plague -- because it's the easy way out. If there's a problem, he denies it or finds someone else to take the fall for him.
Everyone has these tendencies in their measure. No one is perfect. But they define Bush.
The same sort of moral cowardice that led him to support the Vietnam War but decide it wasn't for him, run companies into the ground and let others pay the bill, play gutter politics but run for the hills when someone asked him to say it to their face -- those are the same qualities that led the president to lie the country into war, to fail to prepare for the aftermath and then to refuse to take responsibility for any of it when the bill started to come due.
The new revelations about President Bush's shirked Air National Guard service will continue the campaign debate about physical bravery. But with Bush, the real issue isn't physical bravery but moral cowardice.
We have a more immediate sense of what physical bravery and cowardice are. In fact, when we speak of bravery and cowardice, the physical variety is almost always what we're talking about. It's whether or not you can charge an enemy position while you're being fired at. It's whether you're immobilized by the fear of death.
Moral cowardice is more complex. A moral coward is someone who lacks the courage to tell the truth, to accept responsibility, to demand accountability, to do what's right when it's not the easy thing to do, to clean up his or her own messes. Perhaps we could say that moral bravery is having both the courage of your convictions as well as the courage of your misdeeds.
On the balance sheet of moral bravery -- as opposed to physical bravery -- John Kerry and George W. Bush were about as far apart as you could be on Vietnam. On the one hand, you have Kerry, who already had doubts about whether we should be fighting in Vietnam before he went but put his life on the line anyway. On the other hand, you have Bush, who supported the war, which means he believed the goal was worth the cost in American lives. Only, not his life. He believed others should go, just not him.
That is almost the definition of moral cowardice. And it's a trait he continues to display as he smears other people's meritorious service (John McCain, Kerry, et al.) without taking responsibility for what he's doing. He gets other people to do his dirty work for him.
What's gone unsaid through most of the campaign is that the president's moral cowardice is a big part of why we're now bogged down in Iraq. It's a key reason why 1,000 Americans have died there. Bush has set the tone for this administration, and his moral cowardice permeates it.
Consider only the most obvious examples.
The president didn't think he could convince the public of the merits of his reasons for going to war. So he and his key advisers lied to them. He greatly exaggerated what was thought to be the evidence of weapons of mass destruction and completely manufactured a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. He couldn't get the country behind him on the up-and-up. So he took the easy way out; he took a shortcut; he deceived them. And now the country is paying a terrible price for it.
He and his advisers knew that if they leveled with the public about the costs of war -- in dollars, years, soldiers -- he'd have a very hard time convincing them. So he didn't level with them. He took the easy way out.
The sort of forward planning that would have made a big difference in postwar Iraq was scuttled or derided because it made the job of selling the war harder. Those who sounded the alarm had their careers cut short.
Once we were in Iraq and it was clear that we had been wrong about the weapons of mass destruction -- a judgment that's been clear for more than a year -- the president refused to admit it. And he still hasn't. A year and a half after we invaded Iraq and he still can't level with the American people about this simple and now obvious reality. He still relies on his vice president to try to fool people into thinking Saddam Hussein was tied to al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks.
More important, once it became clear that the president's plans for postwar Iraq were producing poor results, he refused to shift policy or to reshuffle his team. He refused to demand accountability from his own team because of how it would have reflected on him. He has preferred to continue on with demonstrably failed policies because to do otherwise would be to admit he'd made a mistake and open himself up to all the political fallout that would entail. That was something he wasn't willing to do.
The stubborn refusal ever to change course, which the president tries to pass off as a sign of leadership or devotion to principle, is actually an example of his cowardice.
For the same reasons, he runs from soldiers' funerals as if they were burying victims of the plague -- because it's the easy way out. If there's a problem, he denies it or finds someone else to take the fall for him.
Everyone has these tendencies in their measure. No one is perfect. But they define Bush.
The same sort of moral cowardice that led him to support the Vietnam War but decide it wasn't for him, run companies into the ground and let others pay the bill, play gutter politics but run for the hills when someone asked him to say it to their face -- those are the same qualities that led the president to lie the country into war, to fail to prepare for the aftermath and then to refuse to take responsibility for any of it when the bill started to come due.
Longhorn85
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Like I said, the full court press is on.
The evidence is in plain view? You deny it? You have something disputes facts and logic? Maybe you should tell bush. Cause he ain't got an excuse yet.
flip flop flip flop flip flop...
4 years ago George Bush said he would favor an extension of the 10 year ban on assault weapons but so far nothing has been said by way of extending it. On Monday, 5 days from now the ban will expire. Gun dealers are using their websites to count down the hours to expiration.
We have 5 days to see if Bush takes action in extending the ban he once favored and supported or whether he will silently let it pass so as not to make any waves in his camp during this election year.
flip flop flip flop flip flop...
4 years ago George Bush said he would favor an extension of the 10 year ban on assault weapons but so far nothing has been said by way of extending it. On Monday, 5 days from now the ban will expire. Gun dealers are using their websites to count down the hours to expiration.
We have 5 days to see if Bush takes action in extending the ban he once favored and supported or whether he will silently let it pass so as not to make any waves in his camp during this election year.
Regarding bushies speech... did you hear him talk about ...
Just a few things of.......
What George WON'T say about his 4 years in office....
- I never went to one soldiers funeral
- Froze funding for Air Marshalls
- We don't hire anymore Air Marshalls after they quit.
- Parents and spouses and friends were buying bullet proof vests and sending them to the soldiers in Iraq
- Of all the presidents to visit Walter Reed Hospital, he is the most request asked NOT to visit a soldier.
-The troops drink RedBull all the time because of the stress and long hours
- 1 1/2 million more people in the last year lost health care from their employers
- 50 million people in America without health care
- $445 Billion Deficit...the highest EVER
- Salaries have decreased over the last 2 years
- Drug companies can change their prices every month BUT Prescription card holders can only switch their program twice a year.
- "Mission Accomplished"
- Why he opposed the 9/11 commission BUT NOW wants to adopt their findings
- How he squandered the goodwill of the world from 9/11/2001
Only just a few......
Just a few things of.......
What George WON'T say about his 4 years in office....
- I never went to one soldiers funeral
- Froze funding for Air Marshalls
- We don't hire anymore Air Marshalls after they quit.
- Parents and spouses and friends were buying bullet proof vests and sending them to the soldiers in Iraq
- Of all the presidents to visit Walter Reed Hospital, he is the most request asked NOT to visit a soldier.
-The troops drink RedBull all the time because of the stress and long hours
- 1 1/2 million more people in the last year lost health care from their employers
- 50 million people in America without health care
- $445 Billion Deficit...the highest EVER
- Salaries have decreased over the last 2 years
- Drug companies can change their prices every month BUT Prescription card holders can only switch their program twice a year.
- "Mission Accomplished"
- Why he opposed the 9/11 commission BUT NOW wants to adopt their findings
- How he squandered the goodwill of the world from 9/11/2001
Only just a few......
BO-DEN
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this is getting no where.
bush = rich pig who would do anything to be in power.
and only has his buisness and buisness partners truly in mind when making policy, no matter what he says.
kerry = rich pig who would do anything to be in power. and only has his buisness and buisness partners truly in mind when making policy, no matter what he says.
nader = looser
bush = rich pig who would do anything to be in power.
and only has his buisness and buisness partners truly in mind when making policy, no matter what he says.
kerry = rich pig who would do anything to be in power. and only has his buisness and buisness partners truly in mind when making policy, no matter what he says.
nader = looser
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