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WTF is going on with my Heart??

Snarling Force

Snarling Force

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Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
 
I would find a knowledgeable sports med doc. Let him know what's going on and see what he says. Good luck. I hope it's nothing serious.
 
Yea actually I have that happen too. Not really frequently though. If I put down a whole pizza and drink a shitload of water it happens for hours on end. Like you said I've just learned to live with it.

It did happen to me at the gym about 3 months ago and I got pretty anxious. I just sat on a bench and waited it out.

I had a murmur when I was a kid that faded with time so I'm not sure if it's at all related. I also had an ekg, and ultrasound done on my heart when i was 16 and they told me everything was fine.

I'm really not sure what to tell you bro, other than you're not the only one. I'm 25 and still here. :) Just try not to panic at all when it does happen, and if you do ever find out wtf it is post up and let me know.
 
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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youve only got one heart!!!! and its something that you need..i dont think a sports med Dr. is the right person to go see..i would go see your physician first and expalin your problem to him and be honest about your use of AAS..yeah you may get a lecture but after that he will be able to better advise you to see the right specialist..I would do this right now do not wait..

there are some smart people on this board who may or may not have experienced the same thing but its impossible for someone to diagnose you so please get to the Dr
 
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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I get somthing like that when i cycle but i lose my breath and my heart stops its very infrequent and i'm told its *panic attacks*. As for whats wrong with you i'm not a doctor so i dunno just dropping my 2 cents in. Sometimes your body can get very strange when you have huge chemical/Hormonal changes in your body.
 
My dad has this condition and from what he has been told some people are born with 2 sets of nerves that send electrical impulses to make the heart beat. Im not sure if that is what is causing that in your case but i do know that according to my dads doc the pausing and skipping beats gets worse with age and in my dads case (he is 60) his has gotten to the point it causes his heart to flutter which can cause blood clots and currently he is on blood thinners to prevent a heart attack. In situations like this they can do orthoscopic surgery and sever one of the nerves going to the heart that make it beat erratically and my dad is going to have to have this procedure done soon....That being said i think you should talk to your doc about this and if you have the same thing my dad has it does get worse with age but the procedure to correct it is supposed to be quite simple and successful
 
wnt2bBeast said:
youve only got one heart!!!! and its something that you need..i dont think a sports med Dr. is the right person to go see..i would go see your physician first and expalin your problem to him and be honest about your use of AAS..yeah you may get a lecture but after that he will be able to better advise you to see the right specialist..I would do this right now do not wait..

there are some smart people on this board who may or may not have experienced the same thing but its impossible for someone to diagnose you so please get to the Dr
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I agree you need to go see a heart Doc, find out exactly whats going on with your heart
 
yo force that sounds so scary dont ignore this we dont want to here youve snuffed it one day dude!
 
I've seen a doctor in the past about this, but I'm going to do it again and see a different doc this time. I want a stress test done as well. I'll let you know what happens. Thanks again for all the info bros...
 
I have the exact same thing and saw a cardiologist,had a cardiogram and a sonogram,everything is fine.The doctor said in (regular people language) that my heart has a lazy beat from time to time,millions of people have it, almost feels like gas sometimes,nothing to worry about.
You should go to a cardiologist yourself just for safety sake and peace of mind.
 
Dude you need to see a cardiologist not a sports med. doc. Your heart is not suppose to skip beats and the quack that told you it was nothing to worry about should have his licsens suspended.
 
Im tellin you that Betablockers will help 100%. I had tremendous problems with the skipping and irregular beating ect. I finaly wore a heart monitor cause it would never do it at the docs. They said it was Mitral valve prolapse. Im tellin you it was effecting my everyday life and then i was prescribed Lopressor 50mg a day and boom, it was over. I still get a flutter every once in a while but betablockers work for your problem. They are safe and i have not found anything they react bad to whether its juice or rec drugs or alcohol. Im teeling you to ask your Doc about Lopressor or Toporol XL. Tell him a friend of yours told you he got on them and they worked. As a matter of fact he should have samples. If not go to a cardiologist, he will let you try them. There are very very common meds. Trust me if i could give you one of my tabs youd feel better in 10 minutes. No sides at all. Trust me bro I had that exact same problem and it drove me crazy.
 
tommy im glad beta blokers work well for you but to say the have no sides is crazy-my mother takes them for blood pressure problems and is like a zombie on them-maybe the dose is toohigh for her !?
 
shamrock11 said:
Dude you need to see a cardiologist not a sports med. doc. Your heart is not suppose to skip beats and the quack that told you it was nothing to worry about should have his licsens suspended.
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yes, just pay if you have to, but find the name of a good cardiologist and be 100% honest with him about everything.....not to be cliche, but you could die
 
eboy said:
tommy im glad beta blokers work well for you but to say the have no sides is crazy-my mother takes them for blood pressure problems and is like a zombie on them-maybe the dose is toohigh for her !?
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Its possibly too high. I cant even tell when i take them except i know when i forget. Ive talked to many people at the docs office. I go once a year and get an Echo and other tests. I had one person with asthma tell me they botherd them. In doses under 100mg a day there should almost never be sides but hey some people have sides to aspirin. He should give it a try.
 
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! I wore the heart monitor device 2 weeks ago. My doctor said that what feels like a pause in the heart beat(pulse) is actually a very light PREMATURE heart beat. That results in the next beat beating hard. It then speeds up for a few beats, then slows down and repeats itself. My cardiologist told me that it could be caused by subconcious anxiety/stress signals from the brain. He also asked me if I was keeping a big secret, that was causing anxiety/stress. I didnt tell him,but inside, I've been hiding my cycle from my live-in fiance. My own .02 cents brotha.
 
It sure is nice to know I'm not alone in this bros... I'm def going to see a cardiologist. Just found one online in insurance network...
 
def go check it out and I wish ya the best but I bet because of the recent events with Mike Matarazzo many will get paranoid about their heart now, it might be a good thing but im just saying many will start thinking they are feeling something etc.
 
my heart does the same thing and i thought it was the ephedra that i take, but ive been to the doctor and run some tests and he says everyhing is normal, my heart only does that after having sex!! i know that sounds funny but its the only time i notice it, it doesnt do it when im on the treadmill or anything like that.
 
It happened to me when I took large doses of vitamin c, blood thiners and alcohol sometimes.

It stopped now though thank god, I think it's called arethmeya.
 
As stated above be totally honest with the cardiologist. He will be able to give you an exact diagnosis and hopefully it will not be something serious. Hopefully you'll be back to normal soon. Although, heart problems tend to be for life, but at the very least he'll get you on the right med. not something that someone else says works for them.
 
If this has been happening for 2 years then you fall under the class of chronic atrial fibrillation. Anything over 1 year is considered chronic and it won't go away on it's own. You definitely should go to a doctor and he will probably put you own metoprolol(Lopressor). It's caused because basically there are two nodes(places that send an electrical impulse to make your heart beat)and the main one, which is called the AV Node(atrioventricular) is probably depolarizing(sending an electrical impulse) too often. The Lopressor will slow the conduction down and will get your heart back to normal. You really need to go to a dr. about it because this causes your atria(top two chambers of the heart) to not pump blood very well, and this causes the blood to pool in the heart and can become stagnant and this can potentially cause a thrombus that could lodge in your lungs or somewhere else throughout the body. We talk about arrhythmias a lot at school, so I understand them pretty well. So, definitely get it checked out.
 
please do not take the advice of any of the above posters except the ones that recommended you going to see a cardiologist. i am sure they mean well, but this is rather serious and you should not be seeking medical help on an AAS website! :)
but this could be many things. without the proper testing i could only guess at what it is...it could be a run of PVCs, could be 2nd degree heart block (type I or II), or one of many other arrythmias or like suggested above, mitral valve prolapse (see website below for signs/symptoms of this). you need an EKG and 24hr halter monitor, EST and echo all performed by a cardiologist.
check out the following website to listen to different heart sounds. yours may sound similar if you have a murmur. click the auscultation drop down box and select the one you want to listen to.
http://www.cardiologysite.com/auscultation/html/

also, check out this webiste for a description of mitral valve prolapse...

http://www.consciouschoice.com/1995-98/cc093/hmd093.html

good luck and let us know what the cardiologist finds.
 
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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I've had this since 1973, beta blockers control is very well. I was in boot camp when it started and didn't say anything cause i didn't want to get kicked out of the military, so I lived with it for about 5 years. Went to a doc later and he put me on the beta blocker and over time stepped the dose down to about 5 mg a day, which is very small. I forget what he called it (about 25 years ago) but he said alot of people have it all their lives without any problems. If I take a stimulant like ephedrine it will act up but no real problems. I'm 49 now and pretty active in the middle of a test only cycle and no problems. Go see a doctor for your own peace of mind and see about the beta blockers....good luck.

Dave
 
Exactly, go to doc to be sure you are ok, i tmigh tjust require a simple med which can mean diference between tragedy and normal juicing!
 
Snarling Force said:
It sure is nice to know I'm not alone in this bros... I'm def going to see a cardiologist. Just found one online in insurance network...
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Early indications sounds like an arythmia; which can be fatal if untreated.

Whatever it is, it's not good and I hope you get it checked out ASAP! :worried:



DIV

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An EKG should be able to show what's going on. By the description it sounds like PVC's. How often in a minute or between regulars beats do you feel it? If it's every 2nd or 3rd beat go to the hopital NOW.
 
Bro you're not alone. I'm in the same wagon. The difference, since nobody told me WTF I have in my heart, I did my own research. I mean, they told me what I have but nothing else. In your case, go to a cardiologist and take all the necessary exams that will lead the doc to a final diagnosis.

According to what you say, could be very similar to my experience. Mine started around 3 years ago. I was at work, in my desk and felt like a weird skip in my chest. I was like wtf? Then again, and again and again...put my fingers in my pulse and discovered these skipped beats. The heart beats 2 or 3, then skip one; then beats 2 or 3 again, skip another one and so on. I was freakin out!! I thougt I was going to die seriously. Went home, and passed after a couple of hours. After that day everything was normal. Then like 6 months later, another big arythmia attack. The same thing while having dinner. Pretty scary. My hands were sweating cold, I got anxious, felt very very bad. I had that death sensation but was like a torture...because you don't know if you are goin to die or not and being in that situation really kills your brain. That time lasted all night long and passed the next day. After that I went to the doc. He gave me a reference to the cardiologist. I had a holter (24hrs), ECG, echocardiogram. The only problem was that during all these exams I didn' have any skipped beat, so of course the doc said everything was normal. They told me the cause of these irregular heart beats could be stress, use of stimulants like drugs, caffeine, lack of sleep, alcohol, etc. I was happy that at least all the exams were normal. AFter that, there was a long time I didn't have any skipped beat. Then like 6 months later, I woke up in the morning with one of these attacks again. This time I said, fuck! I'm going to the doc right now to have an ECG done and have that shit on paper to know wtf it is. The doc was traveling. So I went to ER. When is something related to heart they put you first on the list. The paramedic asked me what is wrong and I said "take my pulse". He started feeling my pulse and after 5 seconds looked at me like saying "what a fuck is this" without those words coming out of his mouth, I replied "yes, that's the reason why I'm here" I knew what he was thinking. I told him immediately "I need blood pressure checked, beats per minute are ok, and I need an ECG immediately to register those beats" He did what I said (lmao) and told me wait here, the doc is coming immediately to take the ECG. The doc did his job. While having the ECG I was concentrating to have as much as skipped beats to have them registered in the paper. Doc came back, with the ECG and told me "don't worry, you are completely normal". He told me from what the ECG said that day, I have PVC (Premature Ventricular Contractions) It's nothing related to the phisiology of the heart. It's an electrical problem caused by other agents such as stimulants, stress, drugs. He told me even coca-cola could be causing me this. He told me millions of people have this condition. Some of them so smooth they don't notice they have skipped beats. He told me to try not consuming any kind of stimulant for some time. No caffeine at all (not even sunkist), no cocoa (chocolate) no drugs, no stimulant herbs, eat well, sleep well and see how I respond. The doc was very nice. It was an old guy and talked to me during a long time trying to relax me. He gave me a lot of advices. He told me meds and procedures are not necessary for this since is not dangerous for the heart or life-threatning. Sometimes meds or procedures could be worse. He told me I can live with this and have a normal life. So I started my own research on PVC and he was right. They are something "normal" I don't have any risk having them, I can live with them. After that day, I haven't had any of those attacks again. (that was like 14 months ago) Instead, I have skipped beats sometimes in the day. It doesn't care what I'm doing. He skip one beat and that's it. There's a discussion forum related to PVC.

http://www.raptsoft.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=;action=login2

It's pretty nice, because people share their experiences there as well new techniques to live with this everyday.

Now the million dollar question is. What happens between PVC and AAS?? I still don't know. What I know is that dbol at normal doses gives me very strong skipped beats. Nothing extremely dangerous but some nasty side. I'm trying to find that out.

Also, I'll be going soon to a new doc to have new exams done and have a second opinion. Just to be safe.

There's a procedure to fix this problem. The try to reproduce the arythmia in a laboratory and they see where's the exact point where the electric impulse is skipped. Then they introduce a cateter by your leg up to the heart and they proceed to burn that point of the heart. Supposedly, the skip in the electrical system stop forever. Since this procedure is pretty new, it has some risks. For example, if they burn more than it's necessary, you could wear a pacemaker for the rest of your life. So the risk is high. The procedure is worthless.
I've read taurine helps you a lot with heart rythm. I haven't tried it yet.
Good luck and have that checked. You need to determine first what you have in order to know what procedure you can follow.

djufo
 
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Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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:worried: seriously I'd go to the doctor now. Just to get the good or the bad news you know
 
Ben Hart said:
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! I wore the heart monitor device 2 weeks ago. My doctor said that what feels like a pause in the heart beat(pulse) is actually a very light PREMATURE heart beat. That results in the next beat beating hard. It then speeds up for a few beats, then slows down and repeats itself. My cardiologist told me that it could be caused by subconcious anxiety/stress signals from the brain. He also asked me if I was keeping a big secret, that was causing anxiety/stress. I didnt tell him,but inside, I've been hiding my cycle from my live-in fiance. My own .02 cents brotha.
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Word life. First of all, for years I have had this condition.

Second, the above quote is a very real cause of it. Admittedly, there are literally dozens of conditions that cause it as well, but the stress one is possibly the most common and, due to its (still) abstract nature, most difficult to diagnose.

Finally, it's the best idea to see a doctor, but not all of them bother to read the literature on the subject. If your doc went through medschool in the sixties and isn't a specialists, it's less likely s/he'll be aware of the plethara of published studies supporting the above. Believe it or not, psychosomatic disorders and even psychoneuroimmunology still cary 'hoaky' connotations to many M.D.'s. Ignorance at the upper eschelons of the totem pole...
 
As shitty as this is going to sound AAS may not be ok for you as it seems to exacerbate an underlying condition. Being big is not cool in a casket bro. Find out whats up with a cardioligist. Maybe its just how you are and the weight load but do not guess...its your pump.

Q.
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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djufo said:
Bro you're not alone. I'm in the same wagon. The difference, since nobody told me WTF I have in my heart, I did my own research. I mean, they told me what I have but nothing else. In your case, go to a cardiologist and take all the necessary exams that will lead the doc to a final diagnosis.

According to what you say, could be very similar to my experience. Mine started around 3 years ago. I was at work, in my desk and felt like a weird skip in my chest. I was like wtf? Then again, and again and again...put my fingers in my pulse and discovered these skipped beats. The heart beats 2 or 3, then skip one; then beats 2 or 3 again, skip another one and so on. I was freakin out!! I thougt I was going to die seriously. Went home, and passed after a couple of hours. After that day everything was normal. Then like 6 months later, another big arythmia attack. The same thing while having dinner. Pretty scary. My hands were sweating cold, I got anxious, felt very very bad. I had that death sensation but was like a torture...because you don't know if you are goin to die or not and being in that situation really kills your brain. That time lasted all night long and passed the next day. After that I went to the doc. He gave me a reference to the cardiologist. I had a holter (24hrs), ECG, echocardiogram. The only problem was that during all these exams I didn' have any skipped beat, so of course the doc said everything was normal. They told me the cause of these irregular heart beats could be stress, use of stimulants like drugs, caffeine, lack of sleep, alcohol, etc. I was happy that at least all the exams were normal. AFter that, there was a long time I didn't have any skipped beat. Then like 6 months later, I woke up in the morning with one of these attacks again. This time I said, fuck! I'm going to the doc right now to have an ECG done and have that shit on paper to know wtf it is. The doc was traveling. So I went to ER. When is something related to heart they put you first on the list. The paramedic asked me what is wrong and I said "take my pulse". He started feeling my pulse and after 5 seconds looked at me like saying "what a fuck is this" without those words coming out of his mouth, I replied "yes, that's the reason why I'm here" I knew what he was thinking. I told him immediately "I need blood pressure checked, beats per minute are ok, and I need an ECG immediately to register those beats" He did what I said (lmao) and told me wait here, the doc is coming immediately to take the ECG. The doc did his job. While having the ECG I was concentrating to have as much as skipped beats to have them registered in the paper. Doc came back, with the ECG and told me "don't worry, you are completely normal". He told me from what the ECG said that day, I have PVC (Premature Ventricular Contractions) It's nothing related to the phisiology of the heart. It's an electrical problem caused by other agents such as stimulants, stress, drugs. He told me even coca-cola could be causing me this. He told me millions of people have this condition. Some of them so smooth they don't notice they have skipped beats. He told me to try not consuming any kind of stimulant for some time. No caffeine at all (not even sunkist), no cocoa (chocolate) no drugs, no stimulant herbs, eat well, sleep well and see how I respond. The doc was very nice. It was an old guy and talked to me during a long time trying to relax me. He gave me a lot of advices. He told me meds and procedures are not necessary for this since is not dangerous for the heart or life-threatning. Sometimes meds or procedures could be worse. He told me I can live with this and have a normal life. So I started my own research on PVC and he was right. They are something "normal" I don't have any risk having them, I can live with them. After that day, I haven't had any of those attacks again. (that was like 14 months ago) Instead, I have skipped beats sometimes in the day. It doesn't care what I'm doing. He skip one beat and that's it. There's a discussion forum related to PVC.

http://www.raptsoft.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=;action=login2

It's pretty nice, because people share their experiences there as well new techniques to live with this everyday.

Now the million dollar question is. What happens between PVC and AAS?? I still don't know. What I know is that dbol at normal doses gives me very strong skipped beats. Nothing extremely dangerous but some nasty side. I'm trying to find that out.

Also, I'll be going soon to a new doc to have new exams done and have a second opinion. Just to be safe.

There's a procedure to fix this problem. The try to reproduce the arythmia in a laboratory and they see where's the exact point where the electric impulse is skipped. Then they introduce a cateter by your leg up to the heart and they proceed to burn that point of the heart. Supposedly, the skip in the electrical system stop forever. Since this procedure is pretty new, it has some risks. For example, if they burn more than it's necessary, you could wear a pacemaker for the rest of your life. So the risk is high. The procedure is worthless.
I've read taurine helps you a lot with heart rythm. I haven't tried it yet.
Good luck and have that checked. You need to determine first what you have in order to know what procedure you can follow.

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Ex-freakin'-zactly. Anxiety and depression will do it. Think linguistics: There's a reason why the heart is considered the seed of emotion in western thought. M'kay...
 
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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As many here have said, see a cardiologist. A stress test and halter monitor( a 24 hr ekg of your heart that you wear all day) would be a good start. On an earlier post you mentioned feeling SHORT OF BREATHE, and this worries me a bit. You talked about how you felt tired and out of breathe, this might indicate some problems. Other things he might do would be an ultrasound or nuclear tracing test where they inject a radioactive liquid into your vein and then meause its flow through your heart with what I think is a cat scan or something similar.
If you have a mitral valve prolapse, or prolaps on any valve, he will be able to hear that with his stethoscope. My wife has a minor mitra valve prolapse that shows up only when she is pregnant, and her symtoms were just like yours. It is nothing serious to worry about as far as I know. She is just fine now.
 
It's called a PCP and I can't remember for the life of me what that stands for. It's an irregular heartbeat, happens once every couple of minutes. Sometimes you notice it a lot more than others, seems like anxiety increases the sensitivity for me. I had a sleep study done a year ago and when I woke up the told me I had this, along with sleep apnea. They said a lot of people have it and don't even know. I could actually see the little bump in the line on my computer readings when that irregular beat kicked in. Hope this helps shed some light on this bro.
 
Sorry I didn't read all the reply's before I posted. crfpilot14 hit it on the head. PVC not PCP. Anyway, I got it too bro if it makes you feel any better.
 
This thread created more questions than it answered.

Bottom Line: Go see your Doc, this forum is the last place you should rely on for advice when it comes to your heart.




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DIVISION said:
This thread created more questions than it answered.

Bottom Line: Go see your Doc, this forum is the last place you should rely on for advice when it comes to your heart.




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Best advise yet
 
Even though we've all gone through this,or are currently going through this,its still SCARY AS HELL! Lets just all take a slow, deep breath, continue to get medical treatment if neccesary, get back in the gym, and lift dem heavy ass weights!
 
djufo said:
Bro you're not alone. I'm in the same wagon. The difference, since nobody told me WTF I have in my heart, I did my own research. I mean, they told me what I have but nothing else. In your case, go to a cardiologist and take all the necessary exams that will lead the doc to a final diagnosis.

According to what you say, could be very similar to my experience. Mine started around 3 years ago. I was at work, in my desk and felt like a weird skip in my chest. I was like wtf? Then again, and again and again...put my fingers in my pulse and discovered these skipped beats. The heart beats 2 or 3, then skip one; then beats 2 or 3 again, skip another one and so on. I was freakin out!! I thougt I was going to die seriously. Went home, and passed after a couple of hours. After that day everything was normal. Then like 6 months later, another big arythmia attack. The same thing while having dinner. Pretty scary. My hands were sweating cold, I got anxious, felt very very bad. I had that death sensation but was like a torture...because you don't know if you are goin to die or not and being in that situation really kills your brain. That time lasted all night long and passed the next day. After that I went to the doc. He gave me a reference to the cardiologist. I had a holter (24hrs), ECG, echocardiogram. The only problem was that during all these exams I didn' have any skipped beat, so of course the doc said everything was normal. They told me the cause of these irregular heart beats could be stress, use of stimulants like drugs, caffeine, lack of sleep, alcohol, etc. I was happy that at least all the exams were normal. AFter that, there was a long time I didn't have any skipped beat. Then like 6 months later, I woke up in the morning with one of these attacks again. This time I said, fuck! I'm going to the doc right now to have an ECG done and have that shit on paper to know wtf it is. The doc was traveling. So I went to ER. When is something related to heart they put you first on the list. The paramedic asked me what is wrong and I said "take my pulse". He started feeling my pulse and after 5 seconds looked at me like saying "what a fuck is this" without those words coming out of his mouth, I replied "yes, that's the reason why I'm here" I knew what he was thinking. I told him immediately "I need blood pressure checked, beats per minute are ok, and I need an ECG immediately to register those beats" He did what I said (lmao) and told me wait here, the doc is coming immediately to take the ECG. The doc did his job. While having the ECG I was concentrating to have as much as skipped beats to have them registered in the paper. Doc came back, with the ECG and told me "don't worry, you are completely normal". He told me from what the ECG said that day, I have PVC (Premature Ventricular Contractions) It's nothing related to the phisiology of the heart. It's an electrical problem caused by other agents such as stimulants, stress, drugs. He told me even coca-cola could be causing me this. He told me millions of people have this condition. Some of them so smooth they don't notice they have skipped beats. He told me to try not consuming any kind of stimulant for some time. No caffeine at all (not even sunkist), no cocoa (chocolate) no drugs, no stimulant herbs, eat well, sleep well and see how I respond. The doc was very nice. It was an old guy and talked to me during a long time trying to relax me. He gave me a lot of advices. He told me meds and procedures are not necessary for this since is not dangerous for the heart or life-threatning. Sometimes meds or procedures could be worse. He told me I can live with this and have a normal life. So I started my own research on PVC and he was right. They are something "normal" I don't have any risk having them, I can live with them. After that day, I haven't had any of those attacks again. (that was like 14 months ago) Instead, I have skipped beats sometimes in the day. It doesn't care what I'm doing. He skip one beat and that's it. There's a discussion forum related to PVC.

http://www.raptsoft.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=;action=login2

It's pretty nice, because people share their experiences there as well new techniques to live with this everyday.

Now the million dollar question is. What happens between PVC and AAS?? I still don't know. What I know is that dbol at normal doses gives me very strong skipped beats. Nothing extremely dangerous but some nasty side. I'm trying to find that out.

Also, I'll be going soon to a new doc to have new exams done and have a second opinion. Just to be safe.

There's a procedure to fix this problem. The try to reproduce the arythmia in a laboratory and they see where's the exact point where the electric impulse is skipped. Then they introduce a cateter by your leg up to the heart and they proceed to burn that point of the heart. Supposedly, the skip in the electrical system stop forever. Since this procedure is pretty new, it has some risks. For example, if they burn more than it's necessary, you could wear a pacemaker for the rest of your life. So the risk is high. The procedure is worthless.
I've read taurine helps you a lot with heart rythm. I haven't tried it yet.
Good luck and have that checked. You need to determine first what you have in order to know what procedure you can follow.

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bingo.i tottally agree with ya bro,been there did that,they are caled benign pvc;s just a part of life with a good majority of the population experiencing them,some know there experincing them and some dont.what makes matters worse is when a person does have an episode they think the worst and the anxiety kicks in ,makes a vicious circle.all i can offer this bro is stop the any stimulants drop the d-bol or sust the combination is not good as aas are know to mess with the central nervous system to some degree.i recommend adding some magnesium to suppliments as it is greatly depleted more so in weight training athletes very important for the heart,plus just relax and see a cariologist.oh and unless its a arrithmia or angina ect,stay a way from the beta blockers may cause more harm then good and this was a quote form my cardiologist.cheers hope this helps.
 
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they are caled benign pvc;s just a part of life with a good majority of the population experiencing them
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bigmusclehead said:
all so true bro,what a stressfull society we live in more folks just need to just sit back relax and laugh a little :)
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I'll be sure and do that, while I shoot up my Sustanon, drink down my Winny, swallow my Nolvadex, Capoten, Catapres, Zocor, Allegra.....etc.

At any one time there are at least 7-10 different drugs running through my system, not to mention the Vitamins and supplements.....

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i agree...his condition may be benign, but all of these suggestions are just guesses. the guy needs to go get evaluated to make sure it isnt something more serious. in the ED, we treat everything as if it is a serious illness until proven otherwise...
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
You've got bad HDL and LDL, haven't been poppin' yo Nicotinic Acid and Policonosol have you
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I take my EFA's also to keep my HDL up......but I like the safeguard of Zocor to keep total cholesterol down.



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DIVISION said:
This thread created more questions than it answered.

Bottom Line: Go see your Doc, this forum is the last place you should rely on for advice when it comes to your heart.




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This is completely correct. Think of the cost/benefit analysis. Keep in mind all POTENTIAL costs and benefits. Then multiply them by the probabilities to make the best choice.

Smart Choices, written by Harvard Business School graduates, is a great book when it comes to this kind of thing. M'kay...
 
Well in my case I have PVC for sure. Like 90% of posters in this thread. Now the reason why this thread has created more questions than asnwers, is because we don't have a fuckin clue what happens when we combine AAS and PVC's. I posted the question for docs in the medical forum.
 
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I take my EFA's also to keep my HDL up......but I like the safeguard of Zocor to keep total cholesterol down.



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I have met 3 guys at work that have been on Lipator (spelling may be wrong) and ALL of them have had muscle problems after taking that med like muscle tears and weaking ect. Is Zocor the same type of med, how does it work?

Take it these guys haven't been anywhere close to a gym in years except for driving by one.
 
yes, zocor is a statin just like lipitor. the inhibit an enzyme in cholesterol synthesis (HMG CoA reductase). Rare cases of rhabdomyolysis with acute kidney failure secondary to myoglobinuria have been reported with Lipitor and with other drugs in this class. Uncomplicated muscle aches has been reported in Lipitor -treated patients. Myopathy, defined as muscle aches or muscle weakness in conjunction with increases in creatine phosphokinase (CPK) values >10 times ULN, should be considered in any patient with diffuse myalgias, muscle tenderness or weakness, and/or marked elevation of CPK. Patients should be advised to report promptly unexplained muscle pain, tenderness or weakness, particularly if accompanied by malaise or fever. Lipitor therapy should be discontinued if markedly elevated CPK levels occur or myopathy is diagnosed or suspected. The risk of myopathy during treatment with Lipitor is increased with concurrent administration of cyclosporine, fibric acid derivatives, erythromycin, niacin, or azole antifungals and possibly anabolic steroids. Physicians considering combined therapy with Lipitor and fibric acid derivatives, erythromycin, immunosuppressive drugs, azole antifungals, or lipid-lowering doses of niacin should carefully weigh the potential benefits and risks and should carefully monitor patients for any signs or symptoms of muscle pain, tenderness, or weakness, particularly during the initial months of therapy and during any periods of upward dosage titration of either drug. Lipitor therapy should be temporarily withheld or discontinued in any patient with an acute, serious condition suggestive of a myopathy or having a risk factor predisposing to the development of renal failure secondary to rhabdomyolysis (e.g., severe acute infection, hypotension, major surgery, trauma, severe metabolic, endocrine and electrolyte disorders, and uncontrolled seizures).
 
crfpilot14 said:
yes, zocor is a statin just like lipitor. the inhibit an enzyme in cholesterol synthesis (HMG CoA reductase). Rare cases of rhabdomyolysis with acute kidney failure secondary to myoglobinuria have been reported with Lipitor and with other drugs in this class. Uncomplicated muscle aches has been reported in Lipitor -treated patients. Myopathy, defined as muscle aches or muscle weakness in conjunction with increases in creatine phosphokinase (CPK) values >10 times ULN, should be considered in any patient with diffuse myalgias, muscle tenderness or weakness, and/or marked elevation of CPK. Patients should be advised to report promptly unexplained muscle pain, tenderness or weakness, particularly if accompanied by malaise or fever. Lipitor therapy should be discontinued if markedly elevated CPK levels occur or myopathy is diagnosed or suspected. The risk of myopathy during treatment with Lipitor is increased with concurrent administration of cyclosporine, fibric acid derivatives, erythromycin, niacin, or azole antifungals and possibly anabolic steroids. Physicians considering combined therapy with Lipitor and fibric acid derivatives, erythromycin, immunosuppressive drugs, azole antifungals, or lipid-lowering doses of niacin should carefully weigh the potential benefits and risks and should carefully monitor patients for any signs or symptoms of muscle pain, tenderness, or weakness, particularly during the initial months of therapy and during any periods of upward dosage titration of either drug. Lipitor therapy should be temporarily withheld or discontinued in any patient with an acute, serious condition suggestive of a myopathy or having a risk factor predisposing to the development of renal failure secondary to rhabdomyolysis (e.g., severe acute infection, hypotension, major surgery, trauma, severe metabolic, endocrine and electrolyte disorders, and uncontrolled seizures).
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Sounds like a horrible drug to me, I think ill just stick with my garlic pills and a good diet and keep taking my EFA's. My HDL is always good anyway and thats probably because i do alot of things like use olive oil for everything its the only oil thats allowed in my home.
 
Watson said:
Sorry I didn't read all the reply's before I posted. crfpilot14 hit it on the head. PVC not PCP. Anyway, I got it too bro if it makes you feel any better.
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PVC stands for Preventricular Contraction. Your left ventricle in particular contracts before it should, and so when it does contract it does not pump out the normal amount of blood it should to your body. A much smaller amount is the result.
 
i didnt read the previous replies to avoid bias, and also, there are some monkeys that post in here and they piss me off with their bullshit theories ;) SO

what you describe happens commonly, and the most common reason it keeps on happening is because it trips off an anxiety disorder. ie you have an episode out of the blue for no reason, and then you start worrying your arse off about it, and so precipitate another episode...and get ven more worried, and precipitate another one...and so on and so on.

so, bottom line is go and get an angiogram to see if you have any abnormal heart waves etc, preferably by a cardiologist. this isnt because there is something wrong with you, its so that you simply stop worrying.

if it keeps up, well then sure you may have an arrhythmia, theyre actually really really common. you pop an arrhythmic every morning for a while, and etest. no biggie. chill out. make an appointment, and there you go :)

cheers
 
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i didnt read the previous replies to avoid bias, and also, there are some monkeys that post in here and they piss me off with their bullshit theories ;)
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I agree with you regarding the numerous theories in the thread, but GoldenAppleNugg, by all accounts I had you down pat as a baby spider monkey swingin' from branch to branch......instigating riots wherever he perches for the moment, bars by night, pharmacy by day......




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GoldenDelicious said:
...there are some monkeys that post in here and they piss me off with their bullshit theories....

so, bottom line is go and get an angiogram to see if you have any abnormal heart waves etc, preferably by a cardiologist. this isnt because there is something wrong with you, its so that you simply stop worrying.

if it keeps up, well then sure you may have an arrhythmia, theyre actually really really common. you pop an arrhythmic every morning for a while, and etest. no biggie. chill out. make an appointment, and there you go :)

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hey goldenmonkey, angiograms do not measure heart waves. an interventional radiologist inject a catheter into a vein and uses dye and xray to check the vessels of the heart or other vessels of the body that need to be visualized. but he does need to see a cardiologist for an EKG/halter monitor, stress test, and echo. :) :chomp:
 
Snarling Force said:
Any advice, or experience with this, please share bros...

Here is what is going on, but first a little background on the situation. My heart will be going along, and then all the sudden, pause for a second, then restart with a hard THUD beat. This has been happening for the past 2 years. I can pinpoint the precise time it started and that was when I took some Turkish Anadrol 2 years ago. I had never before had any such skipping with my heart until I was into the A-Bombs around week 4 or so. I stopped them immediately but I've had this arrythmia or whatever you want to call it ever since. I've seen a doctor about it, and he said millions of people have this and its nothing to worry about.

So with that said, here is why I'm posting. Most of the time, the skipping is infrequent, and doesn't really bother me. I've learned to live with it. However, today in the gym, it got WAY out of hand. Keep in mind I'm in my 6th week of my cycle which you can see in my sig. I'm on the bench and while I'm pressing the weight, my heart is stopping, restarting, stopping, restarting. Those of you that have this will know what I'm talking about when I say when it skips, it takes a little of your breath away. So I'm pressing weight, having my heart flutter over and over again, and I'm thinking WTF is going on here? I stopped and tried to just walk around and I could feel just flip-flopping over and over. I can even put my fingers on my neck to feel my pulse and feel it stop, re-start. Should I just fight through it? Is something wrong here? Why all the sudden is it going off like this? Do any of you know if there is anything in particular that can set off the arrythmia like this?

Do any of you bros experience anything like this at all? Should I just not worry about it? Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post but it was really freaking me out. I just want to be safe. These visions creep into my mind you know, while I'm there pusing the weight, of the lights going out for good...
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well i dont know what 2 say but i'll pray for u, by the way is that u in ur avatar?
 
crfpilot14 said:
hey goldenmonkey, angiograms do not measure heart waves. an interventional radiologist inject a catheter into a vein and uses dye and xray to check the vessels of the heart or other vessels of the body that need to be visualized. but he does need to see a cardiologist for an EKG/halter monitor, stress test, and echo. :) :chomp:
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I was happy to add some flavor to the Pilot's post.....

Indeed, he is truly a GoldenSpiderMonkey..........moreso than a Gorilla or Baboon.....



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crfpilot14 said:
hey goldenmonkey, angiograms do not measure heart waves. an interventional radiologist inject a catheter into a vein and uses dye and xray to check the vessels of the heart or other vessels of the body that need to be visualized. but he does need to see a cardiologist for an EKG/halter monitor, stress test, and echo. :) :chomp:
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true, while i will admit that your post has a nice ring to it...

having an angiogram done will give some idea of where you would expect to see an abnormal wave, whether it be an inverted P wave, or something more difficult to visualize where one would need all the V leads to see.
 
SF - I had this EXACT problem. It wasn't from taking AAS as I had never experienced with them. I actually had a stress test done. They told me my heart was in perfect shape and of course it wouldn't do it when they were watching for it. They gave me a device to hold over my heart when it happens again and I dial a certain number and play it into the phone. For me though, when it happens - it's usually very short and only a couple times so I never got a good recording. They didn't act like it was a big deal.

I hardly ever get them, maybe....once every couple months. But I have noticed if I start drinking, like the first 30 minutes of drinking I'll notice it. But then it goes away.

I am no doctor, but I actually think a lot of people have simliar experiences. On the other hand, the AAS could have set something off? Might be worth a stress test just to check and for PEACE OF MIND - something that always makes me feel better. Anyways, best of luck - share the results!
 
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true, while i will admit that your post has a nice ring to it...

having an angiogram done will give some idea of where you would expect to see an abnormal wave, whether it be an inverted P wave, or something more difficult to visualize where one would need all the V leads to see.
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angiograms are done to check for circulation...not to see where an inverted p wave may be or any other electrical event. get your facts straight before you correct me. the EKG is used to check the electrial activity of the heart. i do this stuff for a living so i know the indications for testing. can you read an EKG? if you knew how silly your above statement was you would delete it... :rolleyes: :chomp:


DIV, you need a refill on your olanzapine? you seem a little strange tonight! ;)
 
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if you knew how silly your above statement was you would delete it... :rolleyes: :chomp:


DIV, you need a refill on your olanzapine? you seem a little strange tonight! ;)
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umm......basically, you're calling the JuicedMoHawker an indolent ape, yet you ask if I'M ALRIGHT? :confused:

Since you asked though, I'd like a refill on my thorazine, please. :xeye:

F'ank F'ou......:insane:




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angiograms are done to check for circulation...not to see where an inverted p wave may be or any other electrical event. get your facts straight before you correct me. the EKG is used to check the electrial activity of the heart. i do this stuff for a living so i know the indications for testing. can you read an EKG? if you knew how silly your above statement was you would delete it... :rolleyes: :chomp:


DIV, you need a refill on your olanzapine? you seem a little strange tonight! ;)
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You are absolutely correct on this. The EKG looks at how the heart conducts electricity. You have the P wave, QRS complex, and then the T wave. Reading those bitches can be tough, I took a class in grad school on it and its tricky.
 
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hey goldenmonkey, angiograms do not measure heart waves. an interventional radiologist inject a catheter into a vein and uses dye and xray to check the vessels of the heart or other vessels of the body that need to be visualized. but he does need to see a cardiologist for an EKG/halter monitor, stress test, and echo. :) :chomp:
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lol @ goldenmonkey! lmao!!
you are right bro. Don't take goldenmoneky advice. he doesn't have any clue. His monkey theory is wrong.
 
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Reading those bitches is can be tough, I took a class in grad school on it and its tricky.
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I hope it's fuckin' tricky......considering your dealing with people's lives here...

One wrong read could be disastrous......




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crfpilot14 said:
angiograms are done to check for circulation...not to see where an inverted p wave may be or any other electrical event. get your facts straight before you correct me. the EKG is used to check the electrial activity of the heart. i do this stuff for a living so i know the indications for testing. can you read an EKG? if you knew how silly your above statement was you would delete it... :rolleyes: :chomp:


DIV, you need a refill on your olanzapine? you seem a little strange tonight! ;)
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I know what an EKG is. I was simply stating the correlation between what you can see on an EKG and an angiogram, provided you had already done one of the two. I can't tell every arrhythmia from a 12 lead or anything, but I'm fairly confident reading the ones i come into contact with in what I work.

if you read my whole post you would see that i said "true" as the first word. i was offering an explanation for what goldenmonkey said.


i didnt jump down your throat, so back off.
 
DJ_UFO said:
lol @ goldenmonkey! lmao!!
you are right bro. Don't take goldenmoneky advice. he doesn't have any clue. His monkey theory is wrong.
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Actually his "monkey theory" is right......it's just that he underestimated how many different species of monkey there are on the forum.

You've got a wide range from your typical apes, baboons, spidermonkeys, orangatangs and your chimps and marmosets....

GoldenApples is a goldenspidermonkey.......he tends to swing from tree to tree (post to post) throwing his own feces wherever he lands.....

Then he calls all of us "monkeys".




DIV

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juicedmohawk said:
I know what an EKG is. I was simply stating the correlation between what you can see on an EKG and an angiogram, provided you had already done one of the two. I can't tell every arrhythmia from a 12 lead or anything, but I'm fairly confident reading the ones i come into contact with in what I work.

if you read my whole post you would see that i said "true" as the first word. i was offering an explanation for what goldenmonkey said.


i didnt jump down your throat, so back off.
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my bad hoss... :) all i have to go on are the typed words! cant always tell a persons intentions. i am an ER doc so i HAVE to be able to read an EKG. :) we have certains steps and protocols we follow for most disease processes. when a pt comes in with heart related issues, the get the basic workup and treatment, and usually a cards consult is called. the original poster would not be getting an angiogram or PCI b/c his presentation does not sound like ischemia. but he would get the full cardiac workup including EKG, CE x 3, CXR, etc...he would most likely get an echo and halter monitor done as an outpatient. i dont even think he would need a stress test as he has no anginal symptoms. but anyway, this stuff makes for good discussion, but he should not be wasting his time asking this crap on here...call the doctor! :)
 
oh, and i wasnt calling you an indolent ape! only DIV can come up with silliness like that!
hey DIV, neuroleptics and AAS are contraindicated! :) maybe that is what is wrong with the nugga! :D
 
crfpilot14 said:
my bad hoss... :) all i have to go on are the typed words! cant always tell a persons intentions. i am an ER doc so i HAVE to be able to read an EKG. :) we have certains steps and protocols we follow for most disease processes. when a pt comes in with heart related issues, the get the basic workup and treatment, and usually a cards consult is called. the original poster would not be getting an angiogram or PCI b/c his presentation does not sound like ischemia. but he would get the full cardiac workup including EKG, CE x 3, CXR, etc...he would most likely get an echo and halter monitor done as an outpatient. i dont even think he would need a stress test as he has no anginal symptoms. but anyway, this stuff makes for good discussion, but he should not be wasting his time asking this crap on here...call the doctor! :)
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I agree with not going entirely by what people say on here. I should have been more specific as to what I meant. No offense here, provided I didn't offend you. You are right to assume I do not know the indications for every diagnostic test you just mentioned. Check your karma BTW. :)
 
I have the same problem. I am 40. Notice it during sex or at the gym during a hard workout the most. I hope I kill over from it. Will be a relatively painless death.
 
juicedmohawk said:
I agree with not going entirely by what people say on here. I should have been more specific as to what I meant. No offense here, provided I didn't offend you. You are right to assume I do not know the indications for every diagnostic test you just mentioned. Check your karma BTW. :)
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good luck on that. it is just one of many PITA exams you will have to take during your journey to MD. but they are all worth it. :)
 
That heart thing happens to me all the time. I've had it since around 16 years old. Sometimes when it has that long pause and then "restarts" it thuds so hard it almost hurts. I've been to cardiac specialists, test, etc...nothing was ever found. I was always told I was healthy and in great shape so I also learned to live with it. I wouldn't panic if I was you but I would get it checked to be on the safe side. Just know you're not alone ;)
 
crfpilot14 said:
oh, and i wasnt calling you an indolent ape! only DIV can come up with silliness like that!
hey DIV, neuroleptics and AAS are contraindicated! :) maybe that is what is wrong with the nugga! :D
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lol. nice post. If that;s directed at me, no offense taken. I dont know the def. of indolent, but I assume it would most appropriately be applied to DIVISION.
 
crfpilot14 said:
oh, and i wasnt calling you an indolent ape! only DIV can come up with silliness like that!
hey DIV, neuroleptics and AAS are contraindicated! :) maybe that is what is wrong with the nugga! :D
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You didn't SAY it, but you were thinking it! :lmao:

Don't pawn the blame on me.....

@ Nerfpilot.....hand over the thorazine and dispense with the pleasantries, holmes....


DIV

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DIVISION said:
You didn't SAY it, but you were thinking it! :lmao:

Don't pawn the blame on me.....

@ Nerfpilot.....hand over the thorazine and dispense with the pleasantries, holmes....


DIV

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lol. That incoherent rambling is almost legible.
 
juicedmohawk said:
lol. That incoherent rambling is almost legible.
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Glad you liked it, MoHawker! :rose:

It appears my attempt to put words in Nerfpilot's mouth have failed......I was hoping he'd agree with me that you are an indolent ape...

BTW: for the record indolent means lethargic or sluggish...:lmao:



DIV

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DIVISION said:
Glad you liked it, MoHawker! :rose:

It appears my attempt to put words in Nerfpilot's mouth have failed......I was hoping he'd agree with me that you are an indolent ape...

BTW: for the record indolent means lethargic or sluggish...:lmao:



DIV

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lol, I may be an indolent ape. id just settle for being a sloth.
 
juicedmohawk said:
I think i would rather be a chimp.
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I see you as a spidermonkey......albeit a slower, more lethargic one.....instead of swinging from tree to tree like GoldenMonkey does, you would be content to climb from branch to branch.

You're not hyper enough to be a chimp, you do not have that level of energy at your age. Perhaps you could pass for a furry marmoset.....but that's the limit.


DIV

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DIVISION said:
I see you as a spidermonkey......albeit a slower, more lethargic one.....instead of swinging from tree to tree like GoldenMonkey does, you would be content to climb from branch to branch.

You're not hyper enough to be a chimp, you do not have that level of energy at your age. Perhaps you could pass for a furry marmoset.....but that's the limit.


DIV

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lol I'm 22. I stay up for 60 hours at a time because of class and work. energy is a big concern.
 
juicedmohawk said:
lol I'm 22. I stay up for 60 hours at a time because of class and work. energy is a big concern.
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^^^exactly.

At your age, you can get away with that.....but I wouldn't advise it for the longterm.

No sloth can endure those hours without losing its fur and sense of dexterity.

Cut back on the workload.....Class comes first.




DIV

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DIVISION said:
^^^exactly.

At your age, you can get away with that.....but I wouldn't advise it for the longterm.

No sloth can endure those hours without losing its fur and sense of dexterity.

Cut back on the workload.....Class comes first.




DIV

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lol, my work has opened several doors in medicine. hopefully i will nut up and get through it.

then I can be your endocrinologist, as you have suggested several times.
 
juicedmohawk said:
lol, my work has opened several doors in medicine. hopefully i will nut up and get through it.

then I can be your endocrinologist, as you have suggested several times.
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You're JPT?

Why the name change?

Bring back the photographer avatar (Bill Dobbins?). :lmao:




DIV

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crfpilot14 said:
DIV....WTF is a nerfpilot? :)

mohawk, get ready for many more of those long hours during medical school and residency!
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crfpilot14 + DIV's charisma = nerfpilot

@ MoHawker........if you do make it through medical school, the salary you make alone when you secure a job will make all the struggle worth it.



DIV

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crfpilot14 said:
DIV....WTF is a nerfpilot? :)

mohawk, get ready for many more of those long hours during medical school and residency!
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excellent. right now i work nights as a boarded sleep and neurodiagnostics technologist. I do some neuro lab work during the days when I'm not in class and have patients.
 
so you gonna do go into neurology? :) what i like about emergency medicine is that we only work 3 days per week and make $400k+....no too shabby. no call. no pt follow up...
 
crfpilot14 said:
so you gonna do go into neurology? :) what i like about emergency medicine is that we only work 3 days per week and make $400k+....no too shabby. no call. no pt follow up...
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lol 400+ k where?

moonlighting ER docs around here hit around $100/hr.

I'm actually interested in genetic research relating to nutrition.
 
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