Why the fuck does Isreal just "surround" Arafat's compound..

[L.A.X]

Because Arafats soldiers throw rocks Really, Really Hard.

 

[ImSoBig]

they should just kill arafat and get rid of the paletstinains, isreal is supposed to be a jewish country anyway. then if other arabain nations attack isreal, the usa and russia will just have an excuse now to wipe out those nations. problem solved.

ur a dumbass, if they could get rid of palestianians they would, but they cant, russia likes mid eastern countries more than they like the us, u seem like u have a simple solution, but ur a straight up fucking moron,

 

[circusgirl]

the Israelis are NOT trying to live in peace. It's their constant harassment of the Palestinians and thei insistence on building israeli settlements in the middle of hitherto palestinian territory tht caused this recent intifada.

My sources are from the region and reliable. The Israelis did things like randomly cut off the electricity and water to the Palestinian authority areas just to be annoying. Stuff like that eventually gets on people's nerves.

People in the west believe all of Sharon's propaganda. The wanker is a WAR CRIMINAL wanted in Belgium for chrissake, he's a lunatic. He should be under lock and key, not Arafat.

circusgirl
ps anticipating your bad karma RIGHT NOW folksies!

 

[Lumbuss]

ur a dumbass, if they could get rid of palestianians they would, but they cant, russia likes mid eastern countries more than they like the us, u seem like u have a simple solution, but ur a straight up fucking moron,

dont call me a dumbass when you use words like "ur." we should help them get rid of the palestinians. everyone who doesn't support us in getting rid of them is a moron. wait about 5 months until they drive a crop duster and knock the leaning tower of piza all the way down to the ground, then we will have italy on our side. every time they commit terrorism they lose more and more of their supporters they have, why anyone would support them i do not know.

 

[manny78]

1. If they do nothing, Arafat wins..

2. If they kill Arafat, he becomes a martyr which towel heads idolize. Arafat wins again.

3. If they try to arrest him, he has already said he would rather die fighting....Martyr yet again...Arafit still wins.

4. If by any chance they were actually able to arrest him, retaliation from the stinky fucks by way of more suicide bombings is a likely result. Yeah they have Arafat, but the suicide bombings continue, and who will replace him??

We have the same situation with Bin Laden. We want him to suffer more than anyone on earth, but if we kill him he becomes a hero and if we capture him, the stinky muslims who love him will attack us in every way possible until he is free, IF he is freed.

What Isreal is doing is probably the one thing that will hurt him more than anything. He is now trapped. It becomes a nuissance to him because he can't go anywhere. It's kinda like a slap in the face from the jews...Kinda like them saying haha we got you na na na na na na!...And he is somewhat under arrest but not really and he isnt dead so he still isnt a god like hero. This pisses them off more than anything, its kinda like a major disrespect. Very good idea actually.

Good point. In fact, there's another option left to Israel: why not just kick him out (a nice exile in Paris for example) ?

 

[circusgirl]

What caused the Arab countries to attack Israel?

um, that they just walked in and kicked the Palestinians off their land coz it suited them and europe to do so? Sounds like a good enough reason to me.

Now, Israel does exist now, and I do not advocate its destruction. Whether or not one agrees with its original founding, there are now people who live there, it is their home, and they have threright to stay there. I think however, that somewhere else should have been found for people to go. Montana would ne nice. Better land, no desert, and the neighbours are less aggravated.

The Israeli authorities have been pursuing a campaign of harrassment, discrimination, torture and murder against the Palestinians for decades.
II find it very hard to feel sorry for them as a country now that they are under attack. Of course the suicide bombings are wrong. Of course people shouldn't involve innocent civilians in attacks. I think the Palestinians should concentrate their attacks on Israeli military installations and settlements in agreed Palestinian terrorities. WHAT THE FUCK IS ISRAEL DOING GETTING ISRAELIS TO MOVE INTO SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK? Israel makes deals, and breaks them whenever it suits them. Hence why the Palestinians feel the need to resort to violence.

I also know for a fact that many Palestinians, including the 40% christian minority, are NOT happy that their resistance has become synonymous with Hamas, nor do they approve of the suicide bombings. Hamas are taking advantage of many seriously depressed, andgry and suicidal young people who feel life is not possible in the current climate.

I do not need to debate the fact that Sharon is a war criminal with you, go argue with the Belgian courts if you want.

Of course this will be followed by many hate-filled posts from anti-arab extremists who seem to think Israel can do no wrong and the Arabs just have some kind of irrational anti-jewish anti-american hatred. The arabs hate israel, but for good reasons...

How many arabs do you know personally? Do you know any Palestinians? Have you spoken to them about their daily lives under Israeli occupation? Have you discussed the situation with them at length? I have.

circusgirl

 

[circusgirl]

okie dokie, off to do some of my own research.

Indicentally, my mother in law is Palestinian.

circusgirl

 

[the nature boy]

also sweetheart, sharon is not a war criminal according to belgian courts. look here at this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52158-2002Jun26.html. that incidnent was just more bullshit from the palestinians like the "massacre" at jenin. you cant blame sharon for war crimes committed by lebanese christians in response to war crimes against themselves.

can you repost the link? that one didn't work.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

What caused the Arab countries to attack Israel?

um, that they just walked in and kicked the Palestinians off their land coz it suited them and europe to do so? Sounds like a good enough reason to me.

Now, Israel does exist now, and I do not advocate its destruction. Whether or not one agrees with its original founding, there are now people who live there, it is their home, and they have threright to stay there. I think however, that somewhere else should have been found for people to go. Montana would ne nice. Better land, no desert, and the neighbours are less aggravated.

The Israeli authorities have been pursuing a campaign of harrassment, discrimination, torture and murder against the Palestinians for decades.
II find it very hard to feel sorry for them as a country now that they are under attack. Of course the suicide bombings are wrong. Of course people shouldn't involve innocent civilians in attacks. I think the Palestinians should concentrate their attacks on Israeli military installations and settlements in agreed Palestinian terrorities. WHAT THE FUCK IS ISRAEL DOING GETTING ISRAELIS TO MOVE INTO SETTLEMENTS IN THE WEST BANK? Israel makes deals, and breaks them whenever it suits them. Hence why the Palestinians feel the need to resort to violence.

I also know for a fact that many Palestinians, including the 40% christian minority, are NOT happy that their resistance has become synonymous with Hamas, nor do they approve of the suicide bombings. Hamas are taking advantage of many seriously depressed, andgry and suicidal young people who feel life is not possible in the current climate.

I do not need to debate the fact that Sharon is a war criminal with you, go argue with the Belgian courts if you want.

Of course this will be followed by many hate-filled posts from anti-arab extremists who seem to think Israel can do no wrong and the Arabs just have some kind of irrational anti-jewish anti-american hatred. The arabs hate israel, but for good reasons...

How many arabs do you know personally? Do you know any Palestinians? Have you spoken to them about their daily lives under Israeli occupation? Have you discussed the situation with them at length? I have.

circusgirl

Actually your posts have been among the most informative.

Israel was created by european nations because they didn't want all those Jews in their countries after the war. So it was carved out....world powers sliced off about 1% of the Middle East and said "here you go".

While your assertion that Montana would have been a better choice is cute, the location of present day Israel is influenced largely by the fact that Jews did live there several thousand years ago.

No one ever "needs" to resort to violence. If the Palestinians were effectively led, groups like Hamas and Hezbollah were squashed, and peaceful protest attempted, I suspect world pressure on Israel would force them out of the settlements very quickly. When you have organizations that pay surviving families of a suicide bomber, and Arafat tolerates this, no serious argument can be made that he is doing anything for peace. It just defies common sense to say that in the context of compensating families of terrorists.

If the "majority" of Palestinians are unhappy with Hamas, etc., as you say, then Arafat is not credible as a leader for allowing this to continue. He is impotent and should be removed.

I believe the war crimes charges against Sharon were dropped.

It is important to remember that there has never been a country called Palestine. As I am sure you know (but probably not everyone does), that name was applied by the Roman Empire as an insult to the Jews that were there. The name (I believe, but correct me if I am wrong) derives from teh ancient Philistines, an enemy of the Jews. As a further affront to the vanquished Jews, Rome changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but it didn't stay. So the word Palestinian is somewhat of a misnomer itself.

The West bank will remain an issue. But that land was controlled by today's Palestinians until 1967, when Israel repelled yet another invasion. Palestinian claims to it are a little bit like the vanquished Germans in 1945 asking to renegotiate the borders of Germany back to von Bismarck's reign, or the Treaty of Versailles. It doesn't work that way. You don't get a do-over; a war was fought and the loser (who started it) is trying to negotiate for pre-war conditions. That sounds funny, except it involves real people.

 

[circusgirl]

I agree that Arafat is not a credible leader. He does not have any power, no-one listens to him anymore. That is why I don't understand why Sharon keeps blaming him, when it's obvious the guy has zero say in what Hamas etc are getting up to.
The suicide bombings are wrong. Absolutely. And not doing the Palestinians any service at all. Maybe massive investment in the area would help matters, as poverty rarely helps things, extremists prey on the poor and destitute... we need a Marshall plan for the rest of the world, people... sometimes I wonder whether there is any point in trying to help....

circusgirl