Why the F*** am I shedding like crazy?

[Izzman]

If it keeps at this rate (handfuls of hair in the shower, hair in the sink after brushing, strands on the pillow and etc), I will be bald before the cycle's end! Just last sunday I started a Deca (400mg EW)/Eq (400mg EW)/Dbol stack, with the deca and EQ @ 800mg each frontloaded for the first week and the dbol @ 25mg ED (and NO, I dont shed on dbol have used in the past with no shedding! As well as EQ and Deca, so I dont know WTF is going on!) Currently my hair regimen consists of dutasteride .5mg ED as well Nioxin/Nizoral 2% alternated throughout the week with minoxodil/alez. acid 5% in the morning and Xandrox 20% at night applied with spironactolone 5%. 2-3 times throughout the week I apply folligen before bed. Now this is the thing, I am fully aware of the Deca & Finasteride/Dutasteride issue, so even though I didn't want to use test in this cycle I threw in a small dose yesterday morning to see if thats where the shedding is coming from and if that could stop it but it seems that it didn't help. I really don't know whats going on here, I have never shed like this in awhile on cycle, could this be due to the high doses I frontloaded with? Will this go away if I lower my dose maybe? Or is this strictly due to sudden hormonal fluctuations (Telogen Effuvium)? Please guys, I need all the feedback I can get, if the shedding doesn't stop later in the week I will drop the deca or possibly stop the entire cycle all together. I have lost more hair in the last 5 days than I have in the last year!

 

[riverrock]

There are a number of theories out there that suggest that Dustasteride and finasteride convert Deca into a hairstripper.

 

[Izzman]

There are a number of theories out there that suggest that Dustasteride and finasteride convert Deca into a hairstripper.

Thats the thing I have used Deca (NPP) in the past with finasteride with no such problem, I dont see why its different this time around, maybe my doses are too high?

 

[boardlizard]

About a year ago I was noticing nasty thinning in my front hairline so I started using Avodart at .5 ED while running 2 Sust only cycles in that time. My hair, not only started to fill in at the top again, but in the temples as well. But when I started my first Winny, Deca, Sust and Provrinum cycle, my shower drain began getting plugged up by little gobs of hair. I still finished the cycle, but I am now on damage control by continueing the Avodart while adding Minoxidil and Nizoral shampoo. So it looks like its going to be Test only for me from here on out.

 

[gymratforlife]

I just sudenly started shedding for the first time in my life on tren/prop/deca.I have never shed from anything before and I have a feeling the sheding is due to the heavy doses I did at the begining of the cycle also.

 

[Izzman]

Cmon bros, lets keep these responses coming! Hey Gymrat, are you prone to MPB? Do you run anything year round to protect your hair? Also Boardlizard, after that cycle with the winny, deca, sust and proviron, (bad, bad choice! lol) did you notice some regrowth upon stopping?

 

[gymratforlife]

Never had to run anything before and never shed before either.I guess I am prone to mpd because my hairline has been kinda receding since the day I was born.I just noticed the other day I was shedding when i was taning and noticed about 10-12 hairs fell from my head and have noticed the same amount falling daily since so I am going to definetly lower the dosage or posibly drop the cycle short since they are short esters.Not worth being bald to get huge imo.I have plenty of time ahead of me to get big but if I lose the hair there is no getting it back and I am terrified of any kind of surgical procedure so not willing to endure a hair transplant for a few vanity lbs.

 

[boardlizard]

Cmon bros, lets keep these responses coming! Hey Gymrat, are you prone to MPB? Do you run anything year round to protect your hair? Also Boardlizard, after that cycle with the winny, deca, sust and proviron, (bad, bad choice! lol) did you notice some regrowth upon stopping?

Yeah, bad, bad choice for the hair. But the cuts and strength gains were/are great. Its to soon tell as far as regrowth since the cycle only ended 2 weeks ago......

 

[lex12]

you should try with product called "MyBalls-drol"

 

[krishna]

Why would throwin in test help? If anything, it would make it worse. Sounds like you are using everything in the book to combat your hair loss. Too much treatment may be having a reverse synergistic effect which is causing your hair to fall out. First of all, test is the only steroid that converts to DHT, so there's really no point in using dutasteride with the stack you have; if anything it's making it worse IMO. I would combat one effect with one effect. You are combatting one effect with like 5 causing an imbalance of treatment. Mind body connection my friend. There's probably not much you can do now that it's been accelerated. I would back off on a couple things and maybe lower your doses, but that's just me.

 

[Izzman]

Why would throwin in test help? If anything, it would make it worse. Sounds like you are using everything in the book to combat your hair loss. Too much treatment may be having a reverse synergistic effect which is causing your hair to fall out. First of all, test is the only steroid that converts to DHT, so there's really no point in using dutasteride with the stack you have; if anything it's making it worse IMO. I would combat one effect with one effect. You are combatting one effect with like 5 causing an imbalance of treatment. Mind body connection my friend. There's probably not much you can do now that it's been accelerated. I would back off on a couple things and maybe lower your doses, but that's just me.

Well first and foremost, I have to completely disagree with your post except for a few things! Throwing test in a deca cycle while using finasteride should negate the shedding one experiences in such a stack due to the fact that the 5AR inhibitor (finasteride) can work alongside the Deca (which converts to DHN, which can also reduce 5AR in the scalp as well) to further stop hairloss from the test, its been posted here several times, search it up. Secondly, my hairloss stack is nothing new, many users on here follow that same regimen, its been proven to help your hair, on or off cycle. If anything my regimen isn't nearly as extensive as Ive seen posted on here so I really doubt its due to an imbalance in treatment, if anything it should be helping my hair more. However, all in all, my doses have already been reduced (from now on out it will be 400mg deca and EQ weekly) and I may drop the dutasteride or the deca all together if the shedding doesnt stop by week 3. However no one on here has gotten back to me on the possibility of it being telogen effuvium, searching that up online and reading on the symptoms describes what Ive been experiencing to the T. Could it be TE? Thanks all.

 

[krishna]

Deca will not convert to DHN if using a 5AR inhibitor, that's why it is bad to use them both in combination. Throwing in test will do nothing to help this equation. You can disagree all you want, but in the end, I'll be the one who still has my hair.

 

[krishna]

Deca will not convert to DHN if using a 5AR inhibitor, that's why it is bad to use them both in combination. Throwing in test will do nothing to help this equation. You can disagree all you want, but in the end, I'll be the one who still has my hair.

Look bro, you don't want to reduce the 5AR enzyme while using deca, otherwise deca won't be allowed to reduce to dhn which is less harmful to your hair. I'm not sure what you were trying to say in your last post, but it's obviously misguided. I'm just trying to help you out here. As far as TE, what areas are you shedding in? If you are losing most of your hair in the frontal scalp and crown region, then MPB is definitely a factor. If the shedding seems to be throughout your entire scalp region (somewhat evenly) then it is most likely TE. If it's TE, there is a good chance you can regain most of your hair if you keep a good MPB treatment going.

 

[krishna]

And For The Record, All 5ar Inhibitors Only Work With Test Based Gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Izzman]

Look bro, you don't want to reduce the 5AR enzyme while using deca, otherwise deca won't be allowed to reduce to dhn which is less harmful to your hair. I'm not sure what you were trying to say in your last post, but it's obviously misguided. I'm just trying to help you out here. As far as TE, what areas are you shedding in? If you are losing most of your hair in the frontal scalp and crown region, then MPB is definitely a factor. If the shedding seems to be throughout your entire scalp region (somewhat evenly) then it is most likely TE. If it's TE, there is a good chance you can regain most of your hair if you keep a good MPB treatment going.

Thanks for the replies Krishna, but how come my last cycle I ran tren AND deca (NPP) with finasteride (1.25mg ED) and still no problems? SO why should it be different now? Unless maybe it due to the fact that since I frontloaded with such a high dose of deca and EQ? So if the shedding doesn't stop maybe itll just be better to stop the Dutasteride and save it for the end of my cycle and just use topicals? (I think thats what I'll will do, drop the dutasteride and stay with the topicals, this will be my last cycle for a loooong time and I really want to make it a good one so I dont want to have to cut it short) But get back to me on the tren & deca comment I made above, thanks.

 

[krishna]

The finasteride didn't help you with the tren and deca; it just didn't hurt you either. I'm not even saying it's hurting you this time, but it is not helping. If it is doing anything at all, it would be on the harmful side. Plus it is dutasteride which is way more potent than finasteride, so maybe that is why it is hurting you this time. If your hair loss is accelerated, then it sounds like TE. Everyone's hair sheds in cycles, and TE is when this process is sped up. Even if you weren't suffering from MPB, you would still be shedding hair. Everyone loses anywhere from 50-100 hairs a day, even if they're not suffering from MPB. MPB occurs when the follicles are slowly closed off, causing hair to grow back thinner each time until it's gone. Do you have any hair growing back yet? Where are you shedding?

 

[Izzman]

The finasteride didn't help you with the tren and deca; it just didn't hurt you either. I'm not even saying it's hurting you this time, but it is not helping. If it is doing anything at all, it would be on the harmful side. Plus it is dutasteride which is way more potent than finasteride, so maybe that is why it is hurting you this time. If your hair loss is accelerated, then it sounds like TE. Everyone's hair sheds in cycles, and TE is when this process is sped up. Even if you weren't suffering from MPB, you would still be shedding hair. Everyone loses anywhere from 50-100 hairs a day, even if they're not suffering from MPB. MPB occurs when the follicles are slowly closed off, causing hair to grow back thinner each time until it's gone. Do you have any hair growing back yet? Where are you shedding?

Yea man, the amount of hair Im losing is insane! It seems as though Im shedding all around, from the sides, temples and vertex (dont really notice the crown getting thinner, its already pretty thick). It's just that my hair was already thin to begin with (started losing my hair at 18, and cycles thereafter didn't really help) and this shedding is making it look alot worse, especially the front which is the thinnest. So for the meanwhile I have it trimmed it really short to try and better care for my hair and allow for better topical absorption. Prior to this, my hair was thickening up quite a bit following the regimen stated above before I touched accutane way back in January up until march and from there I've had to build it back up. However I just started using the dutasteride recently like 2 weeks ago, so it shouldnt be too bad if I drop it now right? However I have noticed that TE causes the shedding of bodily hair as well, and I have noticed extra shedding from my eyebrows and body as well, so I really hope this is the case.

 

[krishna]

Yea man, the amount of hair Im losing is insane! It seems as though Im shedding all around, from the sides, temples and vertex (dont really notice the crown getting thinner, its already pretty thick). It's just that my hair was already thin to begin with (started losing my hair at 18, and cycles thereafter didn't really help) and this shedding is making it look alot worse, especially the front which is the thinnest. So for the meanwhile I have it trimmed it really short to try and better care for my hair and allow for better topical absorption. Prior to this, my hair was thickening up quite a bit following the regimen stated above before I touched accutane way back in January up until march and from there I've had to build it back up. However I just started using the dutasteride recently like 2 weeks ago, so it shouldnt be too bad if I drop it now right? However I have noticed that TE causes the shedding of bodily hair as well, and I have noticed extra shedding from my eyebrows and body as well, so I really hope this is the case.

Ya it totally sounds like TE. Keep your spirits up bro, this is a good sign. Stress and worry can contribute to MPB. I know it's hard not to worry about your hair, but try not to. Know that you're doing everything you can to keep you hair, and be at peace with that. I would definitely continue with the topical spiro. After your cycle, try some emu oil, as it has been shown to stimulate the growth phase in your hair follicle.

 

[LVTitan]

About a year ago I was noticing nasty thinning in my front hairline so I started using Avodart at .5 ED while running 2 Sust only cycles in that time. My hair, not only started to fill in at the top again, but in the temples as well. But when I started my first Winny, Deca, Sust and Provrinum cycle, my shower drain began getting plugged up by little gobs of hair. I still finished the cycle, but I am now on damage control by continueing the Avodart while adding Minoxidil and Nizoral shampoo. So it looks like its going to be Test only for me from here on out.

dont rule out deca just yet bro, i've heard many reports of bad hair from winny and proviron...

 

[krishna]

dont rule out deca just yet bro, i've heard many reports of bad hair from winny and proviron...

Ya no doubt, especially proviron.

 

[LVTitan]

and krishna, i never lose any more hair on a cycle, if anything it grows in fuller and faster.

 

[krishna]

and krishna, i never lose any more hair on a cycle, if anything it grows in fuller and faster.

I haven't lost any yet either. I'm not worried about it, everyone in my family has all their hair. I think stress gets a lot of people.

 

[cop]

I shed from 400 mg/week of EQ.....and just after 4 weeks...i stopped my cycle but i m still shedding.....even while on a dose of 0,5mg duta...
i ordered some xandrox 15% now
fucking hairloss
good luck bro..i m with you

 

[Dekaxx]

I already have male pattern baldness setting in but i have never lost any hair any quicker using Deca/test/tren....

Bald is Beautiful!

 

[krishna]

I shed from 400 mg/week of EQ.....and just after 4 weeks...i stopped my cycle but i m still shedding.....even while on a dose of 0,5mg duta...
i ordered some xandrox 15% now
fucking hairloss
good luck bro..i m with you

Ya I've heard a few people say EQ set them off, and it continued after they stopped. I'm going to research the science behing this. I know that EQ is reduced to dihydroboldenone via 5AR enzyme, and I wonder if that's less harsh on your hair than the EQ?

 

[cop]

and did those people say how long it continued???

 

[krishna]

I would also be interested in the long-term effect from EQ shedding if someone can share their experience.

 

[riverrock]

and did those people say how long it continued???

cop, you've been researching hair los for so long now, you must have it all figured out at this stage?