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anabolicfreak
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You would think the combination of a history so rich in kung fu and an abundance of dirt cheap steroids would make for some decent fighters? I can't think of one decent fighter from China in Pride or UFC.
Why are there no Chinese fighters in MMA?
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MikeMartial
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Interesting point.
While some, if not most fighters, have an initial base in some traditional MA like Karate (Georges St. Pierre), Judo (Karo Parisian), or TKD (David Loiseau), I can't think of one that listed a CMA in his background.
But I have no doubt Djimbe has the answer.
While some, if not most fighters, have an initial base in some traditional MA like Karate (Georges St. Pierre), Judo (Karo Parisian), or TKD (David Loiseau), I can't think of one that listed a CMA in his background.
But I have no doubt Djimbe has the answer.
MikeMartial
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I actually thought the question was why there isn't any CMA in MMA; but after re-reading the first post, I guess he's asking about nationality.
Don't know why there are no Chinese fighters in MMA.
Djimbe
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Why Should anyone from CMA EVER enter any MMA Event ? The rules are skewed Twards Grappling . Youre not allowed Smlll Jointwork , or petty much any acess to any seriously dangerous stiking points with Intent .
In fact , You shouldt be . Those things ARENT "Sporting" in ANY way , theyre intended to Maim and Kill the Opponent .
What does that leave you with ? The rules of a Submission Match , and Striking with Closed Fists , for the most part , wich Submision specialists easily excel at .
Look at Wing Chuns second Form . Its ALL about how to set up and deliver finger Jabbing to the eyes/throat/temples/etc . You have stupid ppl making comments like "Oh , Too Deadly " then everyone laughs . Thats spposed to be some kind of All-Negating thing somehow But seriously SHOULDNT MAists be practicing Methods with wich to DROP their Opponents that DONT take 8 hours of Practices per day every day from Jr high Through College ? (Like , say , Wrestling) The fact is that Wing Chun has That form wich is Largely Illegal , MUCH in the way of Small Joint Manipulation , wuch is mostly Illegal in MMA ,. and TWO Weaponsforms out of six total . So basically you can throw 50-60% of the Wing Chun system away as far as MMA goes That also means that you can take ANY WIng Chun man and cut his Experience/Training time and cutr IT in half , because against a BJJ guy , for whom pretty much ALL of whose Techs are legal in MMA hes wasted half the time hes spent trainging for the "Real World" as far as the Matchup is concerned , and he didnt spend the same time/week in the FIRST PLACE ! So your "Ten Years Wing chun Expert" becomes BASICALY a "Four Year Wing Chun journeyman" as far s the Ring goes , and Truly a EAMAist that trains Electively trains about 1/5th the tiome a Sportive guy like a Wrestler or Boxer does . They DONT get scolarships , or Time Off , or anykind of Support for Training they have to do it AFTER Work , Wives , Homework and hte Kids come in . + thats IF they have the Energy left over
The fact is that MANY of the STAPLE Techniques in MAY styles that are ONLY for Self Defense ARE there just and ONLY To Maim an Opponent or worse . Heck , lets take Escrima as a whole ! The system TRAINS with sticks , but do Female Escrimadors carry around wooden shafts in their Purses ? No . They carry Tactical Folders . IF called to use teir system is DEFINATELY "Too Deadly For The Ring" and it SHOUL
be ! ALL Self Sefebnse systems ort systems created for war Should be .
Next :
Making one guy out to be a Hero for a whole Country .
No "Kung Fu Guy" should be held up to the level o "Great Chinese Hope" . The fact is that on theLower Levels there ARE CMAists that hve competed agaoinst their Peers and won in MMA events . but really no one is oing to want o Perform under that kind of Pressure . Kids on the Internet PUT said guy in a "Lose-Lose" situation . If he wins , well , he didnt Beat Royce in 94 , so so what ? And if he loses then its not because the other guy was stronger of Faster or Trained more hours , its because of the STYLE . Right .
ext :
Time invested in Each System .
MOST ppl that Practice "Kung Fu" - in fact MOST East Asian Martial Arts - do so for a specific reason :
Because they are the kind of person most likeley to get beaten up .
They also tend to train about 6-8 hours a week at BEST .
Your average COMPEDITIVE Judoka , Boxer , or Wrestler trains that in a day . There are also FAR MORE of the latter , because the Organizations have FAR more $ behind them . Wrestling is basically subsidised bthe US Govenrment for all intents and purposes in this country . And most WRESTLERS are HAND PICKERD because their Coach KNOWS they have "The Stuff" to e a 135lb Bully or whatever . Theyre not selecting the king of the Quilting club ! so Genetic Predisposition also plays a role .
You find me a "Style Versus Style" video between two ppl from different systems that have the EXACT same Training Hours in , and NO Rules and itl be a FAR different Outcome for the "Kung Fu" guys . Usualy what you see is a Pro or very Nearly Pro fighter against whats basically a hobbyist .
Next :
The Rules make the Matchups .
Why arent Wrestlers out there destroying ppl in San Shou Matches after learning a little Boxing ? Because the Rules dont favour their system . Lets face it , the current MMA rulesets and Fighting environments check MUCH of what Striking systems do , but very very little of what Grappling systems do . I mean , guys arent even allowed to hold onto the Cage to stop a Takedown ! How friggin realistic is that ? Ive SEEN ppl from Muay Thai and whatnot with Wrestling BGs try to do San Shou and htey get Clobbered . They arent trained for the Ruleset though they THINK they are . they leave in Stretchers more often than not . even against ppl with less Training than they have total .
So what happens ? the ppl interested in these Matches and being in them , and being SUCCESSFUL in them , train in the systems that they were invented for , Mainly BJJ . ANd Until I can bring my Staff and my Butterfly Swords in the Ring with me and CUT a MoFo with them , My training time WILL be "Too Deadly For The Ring" . You Yuck it up all you like , until Im Prepared for the Blade that you arent .
In fact , You shouldt be . Those things ARENT "Sporting" in ANY way , theyre intended to Maim and Kill the Opponent .
What does that leave you with ? The rules of a Submission Match , and Striking with Closed Fists , for the most part , wich Submision specialists easily excel at .
Look at Wing Chuns second Form . Its ALL about how to set up and deliver finger Jabbing to the eyes/throat/temples/etc . You have stupid ppl making comments like "Oh , Too Deadly " then everyone laughs . Thats spposed to be some kind of All-Negating thing somehow But seriously SHOULDNT MAists be practicing Methods with wich to DROP their Opponents that DONT take 8 hours of Practices per day every day from Jr high Through College ? (Like , say , Wrestling) The fact is that Wing Chun has That form wich is Largely Illegal , MUCH in the way of Small Joint Manipulation , wuch is mostly Illegal in MMA ,. and TWO Weaponsforms out of six total . So basically you can throw 50-60% of the Wing Chun system away as far as MMA goes That also means that you can take ANY WIng Chun man and cut his Experience/Training time and cutr IT in half , because against a BJJ guy , for whom pretty much ALL of whose Techs are legal in MMA hes wasted half the time hes spent trainging for the "Real World" as far as the Matchup is concerned , and he didnt spend the same time/week in the FIRST PLACE ! So your "Ten Years Wing chun Expert" becomes BASICALY a "Four Year Wing Chun journeyman" as far s the Ring goes , and Truly a EAMAist that trains Electively trains about 1/5th the tiome a Sportive guy like a Wrestler or Boxer does . They DONT get scolarships , or Time Off , or anykind of Support for Training they have to do it AFTER Work , Wives , Homework and hte Kids come in . + thats IF they have the Energy left over
The fact is that MANY of the STAPLE Techniques in MAY styles that are ONLY for Self Defense ARE there just and ONLY To Maim an Opponent or worse . Heck , lets take Escrima as a whole ! The system TRAINS with sticks , but do Female Escrimadors carry around wooden shafts in their Purses ? No . They carry Tactical Folders . IF called to use teir system is DEFINATELY "Too Deadly For The Ring" and it SHOUL
be ! ALL Self Sefebnse systems ort systems created for war Should be .Next :
Making one guy out to be a Hero for a whole Country .
No "Kung Fu Guy" should be held up to the level o "Great Chinese Hope" . The fact is that on theLower Levels there ARE CMAists that hve competed agaoinst their Peers and won in MMA events . but really no one is oing to want o Perform under that kind of Pressure . Kids on the Internet PUT said guy in a "Lose-Lose" situation . If he wins , well , he didnt Beat Royce in 94 , so so what ? And if he loses then its not because the other guy was stronger of Faster or Trained more hours , its because of the STYLE . Right .
ext :
Time invested in Each System .
MOST ppl that Practice "Kung Fu" - in fact MOST East Asian Martial Arts - do so for a specific reason :
Because they are the kind of person most likeley to get beaten up .
They also tend to train about 6-8 hours a week at BEST .
Your average COMPEDITIVE Judoka , Boxer , or Wrestler trains that in a day . There are also FAR MORE of the latter , because the Organizations have FAR more $ behind them . Wrestling is basically subsidised bthe US Govenrment for all intents and purposes in this country . And most WRESTLERS are HAND PICKERD because their Coach KNOWS they have "The Stuff" to e a 135lb Bully or whatever . Theyre not selecting the king of the Quilting club ! so Genetic Predisposition also plays a role .
You find me a "Style Versus Style" video between two ppl from different systems that have the EXACT same Training Hours in , and NO Rules and itl be a FAR different Outcome for the "Kung Fu" guys . Usualy what you see is a Pro or very Nearly Pro fighter against whats basically a hobbyist .
Next :
The Rules make the Matchups .
Why arent Wrestlers out there destroying ppl in San Shou Matches after learning a little Boxing ? Because the Rules dont favour their system . Lets face it , the current MMA rulesets and Fighting environments check MUCH of what Striking systems do , but very very little of what Grappling systems do . I mean , guys arent even allowed to hold onto the Cage to stop a Takedown ! How friggin realistic is that ? Ive SEEN ppl from Muay Thai and whatnot with Wrestling BGs try to do San Shou and htey get Clobbered . They arent trained for the Ruleset though they THINK they are . they leave in Stretchers more often than not . even against ppl with less Training than they have total .
So what happens ? the ppl interested in these Matches and being in them , and being SUCCESSFUL in them , train in the systems that they were invented for , Mainly BJJ . ANd Until I can bring my Staff and my Butterfly Swords in the Ring with me and CUT a MoFo with them , My training time WILL be "Too Deadly For The Ring" . You Yuck it up all you like , until Im Prepared for the Blade that you arent .
