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Why are so many people affraid of squats?

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louden_swain

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It is amazing how many people neglect the best mass builder for the entire body. People forget that squats will strengthen the entire body, plus release hormones. It is quite ridiculous when someone can bench more than they squat. Trainers that don't use squats in their routine will never reach their maximum genetic potential. Its funny how people brag about their bench, but they say nothing about their maximum squat. Sign your name here if you use squats in your routine. Also, what are the excuses you guys hear from people who totally avoid squats?
 
You mean we are supposed to squat? :)

No earthly idea what I can squat...not even an estimate...

B True
 
B Fold,

You know the value of the squat. Could you imagine perfoming well in your competitions without using squats in your routine? I think not.
 
do lunges count? :p

hehe, tonight is legs, think i'll go for an ATF 1RM. i just implemented them a while ago (ATF, that is) so i might want to get a reference. then...get some bands and see how that feels too. hehehehe.

(i gotta stay out of reading WSB stuff, the band thing intrigues me, as does ME/DE days.)
 
squats should be the core of any routine! People that have no clue think that hacks, leg presses etc will give you the same development, but they couldn't be more wrong!
 
I have to stay away from squats for the most part during the cross country season, because earlier in the season i was doing them, and instead of going down my times went up, i figured i was overtraining my legs, but i can't wait to start them after the season is over!
 
Squats are just plain frightening to the "average" lifter. (Heck, I still get spooked some times on max day!) AND they are just plain HARD. And that's exactly what I like about them — there is no real way to do them without intensity. You screw around and you are a gym floor roadkill. They are a challenge I look forward to week in, week out.

People with bigger benches than their squats just don't get it.
 
yeah squats always feel heavy - no matter how much stronger you get, even BW feels heavy - at least for me :)
 
I squat, in fact I am squatting tonight. Everytime I lift I try and perfect my form, hopefully my squat form will get better and better.
 
CoolColJ said:
yeah squats always feel heavy - no matter how much stronger you get, even BW feels heavy - at least for me :)
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I'm with you, when I'm warming up with a plate per side (135) it feels heavy, but somehow I manage to keep adding weight and hitting my reps
 
When I warm up with 135lbs and 225lbs, it feels like nothing. For me, it starts getting heavy over 315lbs. However, when the weight is resting on my back, it feels good. When I got to squat down into the hole thats when I feel how heavy it is. When I put 405lbs on the bar, it certainly feels heavy. Squats only make me nauseated when I perform high reps (over 10).
 
Because they are hard and they make you feel like puking and passing out.
Most of the general public are looking for the easy way out to look like bodybuilder.


.02,
Joker
 
Squats are the core exercise on my leg day. It's a love hate relationship. I look forward to doing them, but when I actually start lifting....I begin to hate the damn things. Nothing worse than high rep squats. That will put you on your ass in a hurry.

A friend of mine just started working out. He hates squats and will do whatever it takes to get out of them. If he has something come up and can't lift a day, he'll just skip leg day. :rolleyes:

The average person doesn't like pain. That's why you never see them squat or deadlift. They will bench all damn day cause that's what everyone has a pissing match over. "How much you bench dawg?"

Oh well, don't squat, just makes me look bigger/better.
 
ConstantChange said:
Squats are the core exercise on my leg day. It's a love hate relationship. I look forward to doing them, but when I actually start lifting....I begin to hate the damn things. Nothing worse than high rep squats. That will put you on your ass in a hurry.

A friend of mine just started working out. He hates squats and will do whatever it takes to get out of them. If he has something come up and can't lift a day, he'll just skip leg day. :rolleyes:

The average person doesn't like pain. That's why you never see them squat or deadlift. They will bench all damn day cause that's what everyone has a pissing match over. "How much you bench dawg?"

Oh well, don't squat, just makes me look bigger/better.
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Excellent response!:D
 
always done squats, and not once have I had any knee problems or lower back problem.... The single best excercise, can't say enough about them....
 
ConstantChange said:
They will bench all damn day cause that's what everyone has a pissing match over. "How much you bench dawg?"
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When ever I'm asked that, I always respond with, "How much do you deadlift?" (That's partly due to the fact that my bench sucks ass.....:( )

It gets some funny looks.....

Joker
 
got buried under 365 today.......

gf helped me strip the weight and i cleaned it back to the pins.......

put the 3 plates back on.......

fuck the extra 25s..........

less than a minute later......

5 reps rock bottom with 315 cause i was pissed.......

it gave me a new love for squats
 
Mid football season...love squats like u wouldn't believe...

PB- 440 for 2...one of those was a little suspect on parallel though.
 
I avoid squats for one reason and one reason only....

.... you need good knees to squat.

And I have terrible knees. Well, one terrible knee. I've seriously damaged the ligaments of cartilage on the lateral side of my right knee (this was back in May) and still can't bend my knee under a load. I can't even do a single squat without weight.... when I try, I crumble and end up in a heap on the floor. I've had ultrasounds and x-rays and ongoing physio, and it's gotten a little bit better.... but still bad enough to keep me immobilised some days.

That's why. It pisses me off too, because I do enjoy squats and deadlifts.... well, not ENJOY.... but kinda.... you all know what I mean. But I can't do either now, and no other leg exercises either.

So that's a bitch.
 
I used to be an all upper body guy. After I started doing heavy squats and deadlifts I made gains like never before. Plus my upper body was getting to heavy for my back to handle to I had to start doing legs. The most common excuses I hear are squats are bad for your back and knees, or I dont care about how big my legs are, I just want big arms.
 
I loooooove squats.

reasons:
1) My ego. I can shift more weight doing squats than anything else other than DL.
2) Sense of achievement when I've gotten the form right. I like technical things. Guess it's all the martial arts.
3) Thinking of what a nice ass I'll have from doing these a lot.
4) I wanna be a powerlifter!
5) They give me a great intense workout. I like intensity in my workout, makes me feel good, releases the endorphins. If I'm not sweating hard during my workout I kinda wonder what I'm doing in the gym.
6) they WORK. Boy do they work for increasing strength.
 
i just feel so powered squatting with that over 200 bills bar just sitting on your shoulders and you just rip it off like its nothing everyone in my gym thinks im crazy or on gear.
 
The biggest excuse I hear is, "I don't want my waist or ass to grow!" So, they opt out for the Leg Press, Hacks, and Leg Extensions. Most wind up with decent leg development, but could be ALOT better if they would squat.
 
Texas Ranger said:
The biggest excuse I hear is, "I don't want my waist or ass to grow!" So, they opt out for the Leg Press, Hacks, and Leg Extensions. Most wind up with decent leg development, but could be ALOT better if they would squat.
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This is a good point. I like to squat for these following reasons:

1. Squats build incredible hip strength.
2. Squats are a non-replaceable explosive movement.
3. Squats develop flexibility.
4. Squats build muscle throughout the entire body.
5. Squats turn stick legs into tree trunks.
6. Squats strengthen ligaments and tendons.
7. Squats increase the metabolism.
8. Squats help release hormones
9. Squats provide cardiovascular benefits
10. Squats make you work, they are challenging.

Just think, all you need is a power rack and an olympic barbell with some plates and you are set.
 
gettinlarger said:
My bench is higher than my squat ...
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I used to be the same way. When I signed up at Gold's Gym, I was sick and tired of having small weak legs. Finally, I got the courage to enter the cage and put some plates on the bar. I made it a priority to perform squats no matter what. Just throw away the fear and forget about what everyone else is thinking. These are your legs, so do something with them. If you need to perform 8 sets of squats. . . then so be it. After 7 years of training I went from performing 115lbs squats, to perfoming reps with 405lbs. This can happen with anyone who is willing to put forth the effort. Think about this. . . Good luck!!
 
Robert Jan said:
my squat sucks
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My guess is Robert, is that your squat does not suck at all. You probably feel it does compared to other folks on this board, but some of these folks have been training for many years. I bet you squat much better than most of your gym's members!
 
Squats are great! I find they are killer for the entire body, just as ya said.

I think people generally don't do squats for one simple reason, they are pussy assed posers who would rather do 3500 rep sets of preacher curls while wearing a wife beater to show off their 11.5" guns, as opposed to doing some real work and building some real tissue. For the rest of us, squats are great ;-)
 
It's consider an ancient excersie my most these days, most of the squats I see aren't even close to parallel, half or quater movments at best. It's a core exercise, as well as deadlifts, and front squats. I couldn't imagine not doing them.
 
thriller said:
at ball tryouts today a guy said that he doesnt do them because they tare ligaments in the knees.
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No flame intended here, but I'm calling bullshit on that theory. I tore my ACL last year and most of the muscular rehab squats. I believe if squats are done correctly their is minimal danger, but if form is poor and/or if too much weight is used that's when things can br torn.
 
strider364 said:



No flame intended here, but I'm calling bullshit on that theory. I tore my ACL last year and most of the muscular rehab squats. I believe if squats are done correctly their is minimal danger, but if form is poor and/or if too much weight is used that's when things can br torn.
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chris points out his views on knees and the danger of squating (which i agree with) in this article

http://www.t-mag.com/articles/229mon.html
 
because squats require too much work and because there embarassed to do lesser weights ...everyone wants to be the badass that can legpress 200-300 pounds.

and because people believe squats make you knees weak -BULLSHIT.
 
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i dont squat free weight, but thats because the weight on back just hurts really bad and will live me hurting all week. I fucked my upper back up a few years ago, so thats what is stopping me. I can deadlift no problem though. too bad:(
 
I used to never do squats...got really lean and muscular but legs weren't....fortunately they weren't chicken legs though due to playing soccer for 8 years.

I do them now and it's weird b/c my max is around 375-385....yet on leg press machines I can stack 900lbs on them for reps.
 
Concerning the leg press, you have to remember its inclined at about a 30 degree angle, so you are only having to push against 50% of the weight. Also, you aren't having to lift your body up with you legs so that shaves another 100-200 lbs off.

So the equivalent of squatting 315, would be 2X315 plus another 200 lbs on the leg press. Which comes out to 830lbs.
 
um.....cosine of 30 is .866

and cosine of 45 is .707

the cosine of 60degrees is one half but i dont think i've ever seen a leg press on that much of an incline.

the ones at the gyms i work at and the gym i work otu at are probaby between 30-45 degrees

and most sleds vary from 45 lbs to 90 lbs just on their own.

i'm nto saying squats aren't great but jsut clearing thigns up
 
If you aren't doing squats, you're just half assing the leg workout! I sometimes do front squats just to add some variety, but squats and deads should always be in your workouts PERIOD!
 
backlash79 said:
um.....cosine of 30 is .866

and cosine of 45 is .707

the cosine of 60degrees is one half but i dont think i've ever seen a leg press on that much of an incline.

the ones at the gyms i work at and the gym i work otu at are probaby between 30-45 degrees

and most sleds vary from 45 lbs to 90 lbs just on their own.

i'm nto saying squats aren't great but jsut clearing thigns up
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i was just doing that calculation in my head until i scrolled down. LOL.

damn you for making me remember physics!!! :D
 
i think the average person out there is looking for big arms, chest, and abs...about 5 ppl do squats at the gym i go to and this is happening everywhere.

also, ppl are stubborn and think they know it all...the other day i was talking to some dood at my gym about good back exercises and I was raving about barbell rows and he said he doesnt do em cuz there stressful on his lower back, it was about this time i told i was losing my pump and it was nice talking to ya. I mean come on now!

peace

Sean
 
Backlash, you have to use sin not cosine when doing the calculation. Its an inclined plane problem, and i've done THOUSANDS of them. The sin of 30 is .5

You can use cosine, however you would need to subract the angle of the plane from 90 degrees. cos (90-30)= Cos (60)=.5

The reason for this lies in the geomety of the problem. If anyone has taken physics lately, they can back me up on this.
 
true, since sin would be in the x axis and the force is directed in the proposed x axis. (if you were to draw a graph) if the forces were coming from below the incline instead of parallel to the incline, then the cos could be used.
 
The only time I saw anyone squat at the pissant gym I went too for a while, they needed someone to nearly buttfuck them with a spot and help them up with every rep. He went below parallel, but only squated 225 of the 365 pounds loaded on the bar. Boy he sure marched around like a toughguy afterwards tho. Same gym, I load up 405 on the bar and put on my inzer knee wraps newly bought and did it without a spotter ( a risk cuz I had missed it a week or so earlier). Thankfully I did it. I was proud of myself but outwardly humble and several puffboys just sort of snickered like I was some monumental fool for needing knee wraps to squat one rep with 405. Incidently, the time I missed the 405, I did request a spot from this large-ass black fellow, and another guy, hoping they'd both spot from the sides, but this moron preceded to tell me the only correct way to spot the squat was one guy from behind, so as I backed out of the rack with the weight I nearly tripped over the dickhead's foot, and afterwards he gave me a look like I was the one in error. Why are there so many idiots in this world, and why do they overpopulate the commercial gyms of the world? Rhetorical question.
 
Put in a good squat workout on: 10-11-2002

1. Box Squats

2 x 10 - 45lbs (warm up with olympic bar - set not counted)
1 x 5 - 135lbs (warm up light weight - set not counted)
1 x 5 - 225lbs (warm up light weight set not counted)
1 x 5 - 275lbs
1 x 5 - 315lbs
1 x 5 - 335lbs
1 x 5 - 355lbs
1 x 5 - 375lbs
1 x 4 - 405lbs
1 x 3 - 405lbs
1 x 5 - 225lbs (cool down, stretch hams, ass to calves depth)
1 x 5 - 135lbs (cool down, stretch hams, ass to calves depth)

2. Leg Extensions

1 x 15 - 120lbs
1 x 12 - 170lbs
1 x 10 - 220lbs

3. Lying Leg Curls

1 x 18 - 100lbs
1 x 15 - 120lbs
1 x 8 - 140lbs
1 x 20 - 80lbs

4. Hip Adductors

1 x 16 - 135lbs
1 x 12 - 165lbs

5. Seated Toe Raises

3 x 20 - 135lbs

6. Standing Toe Raises

3 x 30 - 150lbs

+ Ab Work
 
IMO there are alot of more knee killing machines and movements out there than squats, I'm talking power squats wide stance and shins vertical to the ground, most won't squat because their pussy's.
 
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