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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
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sublime35
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For all you people who are "experts" on this subject and in the past month of watching the news you've figured every fucking thing out. let me ask you this. Do you know of the Mardi Gras monument built a few years ago that cost tens of thousands of dollars? yeah they built that instead of using it to fix the levees. They have known about this problem for decades and haven't done what is necessary to fix it. Instead they do a "patch" job, or minor work and hope they will just keep getting lucky, and dodge the big one. Well they didn't get lucky this time. It's their own god damn fault, along with the fed. Gov't and the many presidents before G. W. Bush. So get your head out of your asses and stop trying to blame one person for all of this.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Common sense has no use here.
Its just like a ghetto family using their welfare check to put rims on their new ride rather than to buy vegetables for the kids.
sublime35 said:
Common sense has no use here.
Its just like a ghetto family using their welfare check to put rims on their new ride rather than to buy vegetables for the kids.
sublime35 said:
Hmmmm ?
So who was it that paid for this statue and what was this cost ?
Also, are you saying it would have cost NO tens of thousands to improve the levee ?
When you are saying they have known about the problem, who are you referring to as "they" ?
Who is blaming this on one person ?
Thanks in advance.
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Gambino
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gjohnson5 said:
lets not forget the bomb you dropped on 75th...
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Gambino
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2ez said:
to summarize it bor, since you and ghbjohnson have such a hard time understaing this...GWB's tenure in office has only been 5 years, the levee's have been neglected for much longer than that. your dem buddies who have been running the show in LA have done a fine job of ripping the state off the last 60 yrs...
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Gambino
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
young punks are only considered punks by the old bastards clinging to their frail ego's and weak power structure...it's time for the young generation to run the show, step aside my senior friend
gjohnson5 said:
young punks are only considered punks by the old bastards clinging to their frail ego's and weak power structure...it's time for the young generation to run the show, step aside my senior friend
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Gambino
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This is your pinnacle 75th...after this, you will fade into EF obscurity
gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Read what he said:
The comparison is
a white man joining the black caucus is like a black man joining the KKK
The comparison is not a direct relation between the black caucus and the kkk.
You really need some reading lessons. There is a differece in that and
The black caucus is like the kkk
Please learn how to read
Read what he said:
The comparison is
a white man joining the black caucus is like a black man joining the KKK
The comparison is not a direct relation between the black caucus and the kkk.
You really need some reading lessons. There is a differece in that and
The black caucus is like the kkk
Please learn how to read
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Good work, Kojak.
http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/ahoythere.jpg
gjohnson5 said:
Good work, Kojak.
http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/ahoythere.jpg
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
The CIA did not ever have a program designed to introduce crack or (regular coke) into minority neighborhoods. Here is a brief summary of what happened:
The CIA hired a lot of shady pilots and others to fly weapons covertly into Nicaragua and to support the Contras. These pilots were not "officially" on the US payroll, but would take off from the US with weapons and land down there.
Once powerful people associated with the cocaine trade in central america realized that these pilots were in and out of the US on government business, they started to use these pilots to bring in cocaine. The amount of cocaine coming into the US skyrocketed.
This was the early 80s, the time of freebasing and then crack. The CIA did not have a plan to bring in drugs, they just created a condition by which the amount of drugs coming in exploded.
It was not the first time the CIA did this. In training cubans for the bay of Pigs invasion, they created a lot of people very knowledgeable in weapons, communications, and covert operations. Shortly thereafter, the cocaine problem in Miami took off.
The CIA is not known for long term thinking. Ask bin laden. But there was no intentional cocaine thing going on.
gjohnson5 said:
The CIA did not ever have a program designed to introduce crack or (regular coke) into minority neighborhoods. Here is a brief summary of what happened:
The CIA hired a lot of shady pilots and others to fly weapons covertly into Nicaragua and to support the Contras. These pilots were not "officially" on the US payroll, but would take off from the US with weapons and land down there.
Once powerful people associated with the cocaine trade in central america realized that these pilots were in and out of the US on government business, they started to use these pilots to bring in cocaine. The amount of cocaine coming into the US skyrocketed.
This was the early 80s, the time of freebasing and then crack. The CIA did not have a plan to bring in drugs, they just created a condition by which the amount of drugs coming in exploded.
It was not the first time the CIA did this. In training cubans for the bay of Pigs invasion, they created a lot of people very knowledgeable in weapons, communications, and covert operations. Shortly thereafter, the cocaine problem in Miami took off.
The CIA is not known for long term thinking. Ask bin laden. But there was no intentional cocaine thing going on.
gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Would you be kind enough to look into which parts of Miami had escalated coke filtration??
Your own quote would prove my point
MattTheSkywalker said:The CIA did not ever have a program designed to introduce crack or (regular coke) into minority neighborhoods. Here is a brief summary of what happened:
The CIA hired a lot of shady pilots and others to fly weapons covertly into Nicaragua and to support the Contras. These pilots were not "officially" on the US payroll, but would take off from the US with weapons and land down there.
Once powerful people associated with the cocaine trade in central america realized that these pilots were in and out of the US on government business, they started to use these pilots to bring in cocaine. The amount of cocaine coming into the US skyrocketed.
This was the early 80s, the time of freebasing and then crack. The CIA did not have a plan to bring in drugs, they just created a condition by which the amount of drugs coming in exploded.
It was not the first time the CIA did this. In training cubans for the bay of Pigs invasion, they created a lot of people very knowledgeable in weapons, communications, and covert operations. Shortly thereafter, the cocaine problem in Miami took off.
The CIA is not known for long term thinking. Ask bin laden. But there was no intentional cocaine thing going on.
Would you be kind enough to look into which parts of Miami had escalated coke filtration??
MattTheSkywalker said:
Your own quote would prove my point
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I am just making the point that while the CIA created conditions for coke to explode into poor areas, that was not ever their intent nor was it policy.
It was an unpredicted outcome of another policy.
gjohnson5 said:
I am just making the point that while the CIA created conditions for coke to explode into poor areas, that was not ever their intent nor was it policy.
It was an unpredicted outcome of another policy.
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Gambino
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what benefit would the CIA get from importing crack to ghetto's? skyrocketing crime rates, heavy prison and court fees, murder and mayhem...what benefit would this serve?? I am anti-conspiracy
gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
The word indirect comes to mind.
Assuming they are telling us everything (being a military brat , I know for fact this is never true) If they created a condition in which drug sales escalated , this will be indirect involvemt, and involvement nonetheless. They ar still part of the probem., and they are still part of the creation of the problem.
MattTheSkywalker said:
The word indirect comes to mind.
Assuming they are telling us everything (being a military brat , I know for fact this is never true) If they created a condition in which drug sales escalated , this will be indirect involvemt, and involvement nonetheless. They ar still part of the probem., and they are still part of the creation of the problem.
gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Just found this
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/national/main657048.shtml
(AP) Nearly 7,500 hate crime incidents occurred nationwide last year, more than half of them motivated by racial prejudice, most often against black people, the FBI reported Monday.
I wonder why they left out who commited most of the 7500 hate crimes
Things that make you go Hrmmm
Gambino said:
Just found this
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/national/main657048.shtml
(AP) Nearly 7,500 hate crime incidents occurred nationwide last year, more than half of them motivated by racial prejudice, most often against black people, the FBI reported Monday.
I wonder why they left out who commited most of the 7500 hate crimes
Things that make you go Hrmmm
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
What continues to be both funny and pathetic about you is that a good amount of the time black on white crime isnt labeled as a "hate crime."
Shit, the example I posted above was never classified as a hate crime, and the ghetto black pieces of dog shit even admitted that they only went after white kids.
gjohnson5 said:
What continues to be both funny and pathetic about you is that a good amount of the time black on white crime isnt labeled as a "hate crime."
Shit, the example I posted above was never classified as a hate crime, and the ghetto black pieces of dog shit even admitted that they only went after white kids.
gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
post some statistcs from a credible source , not "Billy joe jim bob's skoal dippin' site" and I'll listen to you
You know the dudes with 3 teeth , ripped pockets on the overalls and a front yard full of beer cans??
That would be them...
75th said:
post some statistcs from a credible source , not "Billy joe jim bob's skoal dippin' site" and I'll listen to you
You know the dudes with 3 teeth , ripped pockets on the overalls and a front yard full of beer cans??
That would be them...
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2ez said:
sorry bor, I don't believe everything i read about...I've looked into this issue to some extent, pretty universally dennounced as bullshit. sorry for being honest
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Gambino
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I admit my white peeps are guilty of some despicable hate crimes towards blacks...why can't you admit your black peeps are just as guilty of despicable acts towards whites? the difference between you and I is that I'm honest about these things and you are scared to admit the truth
gjohnson5 said:
I admit my white peeps are guilty of some despicable hate crimes towards blacks...why can't you admit your black peeps are just as guilty of despicable acts towards whites? the difference between you and I is that I'm honest about these things and you are scared to admit the truth
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Seems like your more of a separatist than honest. Please do not take this as disrespect, but please read your post. Please explain what you mean by "my peeps" and "your black peeps"
it's thinking and statements like this that really bothers me.
Do you believe that maybe economics some how influences ones actions ?
Everyone is welcomed in my home. Just don't touch my Dayum remote control.
Gambino said:
Seems like your more of a separatist than honest. Please do not take this as disrespect, but please read your post. Please explain what you mean by "my peeps" and "your black peeps"
it's thinking and statements like this that really bothers me.
Do you believe that maybe economics some how influences ones actions ?
Everyone is welcomed in my home. Just don't touch my Dayum remote control.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
there is nothing in the US today to hold back a talented, hardworking person of color from achieving their potential. There are NO white only signs hanging in front of any institution in America today.
The failure with in contemporary black society can only be layed at the feet of the individuals failing.
gjohnson5 said:
there is nothing in the US today to hold back a talented, hardworking person of color from achieving their potential. There are NO white only signs hanging in front of any institution in America today.
The failure with in contemporary black society can only be layed at the feet of the individuals failing.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Maybe in a perfect World my friend. When was the last time there was a President of another ethnicity.
I am in no way bashing those of european decent or any other ethnic or religious group.......i am more of a realist and not an idealist.
Hengst said:
Maybe in a perfect World my friend. When was the last time there was a President of another ethnicity.
I am in no way bashing those of european decent or any other ethnic or religious group.......i am more of a realist and not an idealist.
Racism is EVERYWHERE... It doesn't differentiate. White, black, hispanic, asian, ..................... on and on.
As humans we even find ourselves judging people by their cultural, spirtual, financial, intellectual backgrounds.
A perfect world.. hah! that won't happen for as long as humans inhabit it.
I don't look at the color of anyones skin and form an opinion. Of course there are people who do, but I'm sorry to turn the light bulb on. It's in every race!
What about Sexist? Can I pull out that card?
I'm also Native American... How about that card.
As humans we even find ourselves judging people by their cultural, spirtual, financial, intellectual backgrounds.
A perfect world.. hah! that won't happen for as long as humans inhabit it.
I don't look at the color of anyones skin and form an opinion. Of course there are people who do, but I'm sorry to turn the light bulb on. It's in every race!
What about Sexist? Can I pull out that card?
I'm also Native American... How about that card.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I just get soooooooo tired of the old canard of white racism for any failure with-in minority ethnic groups
achievment gaps in school.... the school must be racist
fire department candidates that fail the testing threshholds..... the fire department must be racist (same for police departments)
SAT differences..... the test must be biased
and on and on and on ...........
We must as a society abandon affirmative action and any and ALL racial references, set asides, quotas, etc. (including university legacy programs). If, as mutlitcultural dogma insists, we are all the same beneath our skin then allow us to sink or swim according to our own abilities.
If an individual chooses not to study and learn to read then that person has no one to blame if the only job open is pushing a broom.
As to the original topic on this post...... The Black Caucas is acting in a racist manner when they refuse to allow a person to join based soley on their skin color.
2ez said:
I just get soooooooo tired of the old canard of white racism for any failure with-in minority ethnic groups
achievment gaps in school.... the school must be racist
fire department candidates that fail the testing threshholds..... the fire department must be racist (same for police departments)
SAT differences..... the test must be biased
and on and on and on ...........
We must as a society abandon affirmative action and any and ALL racial references, set asides, quotas, etc. (including university legacy programs). If, as mutlitcultural dogma insists, we are all the same beneath our skin then allow us to sink or swim according to our own abilities.
If an individual chooses not to study and learn to read then that person has no one to blame if the only job open is pushing a broom.
As to the original topic on this post...... The Black Caucas is acting in a racist manner when they refuse to allow a person to join based soley on their skin color.
bluepeter
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I will agree that the majority of the responsibility for an individuals failure to achieve lies with that individual. However, the inference that all are viewed equally and have the same opportunity in the US is laughable.
Hengst said:
I will agree that the majority of the responsibility for an individuals failure to achieve lies with that individual. However, the inference that all are viewed equally and have the same opportunity in the US is laughable.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Read more about the person trying to obtain membership in the organization before commenting my friend.
And as far as white racism being used as an excuse for the demise of many people from other ethnicities......
this will always be the assumption until you see the representation of all ethnic groups in our Governmental offices.
You do realize that the rolls would be reverse if the political positions were filled with mostly those of African American, Asian or Indian decent.
Hengst said:
Read more about the person trying to obtain membership in the organization before commenting my friend.
And as far as white racism being used as an excuse for the demise of many people from other ethnicities......
this will always be the assumption until you see the representation of all ethnic groups in our Governmental offices.
You do realize that the rolls would be reverse if the political positions were filled with mostly those of African American, Asian or Indian decent.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
my point is that all institutional barriers have been removed and there are no doors shut to any TALENTED and HARDWORKING individual. I don't think it's laughable I think it's sad that there are still segments of our society that refuse to take advantage of any opportunities offered to them.
I do agree that it's laughable to think that we are all equal, however, we all have equal opportunities. you know, some of us just really are dumber. (and not race restricted either). It's laughable to think that set asides, AA, quotas and so on can create an equal outcome.
bluepeter said:
I will agree that the majority of the responsibility for an individuals failure to achieve lies with that individual. However, the inference that all are viewed equally and have the same opportunity in the US is laughable.
my point is that all institutional barriers have been removed and there are no doors shut to any TALENTED and HARDWORKING individual. I don't think it's laughable I think it's sad that there are still segments of our society that refuse to take advantage of any opportunities offered to them.
I do agree that it's laughable to think that we are all equal, however, we all have equal opportunities. you know, some of us just really are dumber. (and not race restricted either). It's laughable to think that set asides, AA, quotas and so on can create an equal outcome.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
It's about the message not the messenger.
They already are, in fact minorities are over represented in governmental offices.
ABSOLUTELY !!!! Who says only whites can be racist ? (mmm..minorities?) BTW - I dread that day. The day America looses it's european decendant majority.
2ez said:
It's about the message not the messenger.
2ez said:
They already are, in fact minorities are over represented in governmental offices.
2ez said:
ABSOLUTELY !!!! Who says only whites can be racist ? (mmm..minorities?) BTW - I dread that day. The day America looses it's european decendant majority.
milo hobgoblin
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apparently 2ez has never stepped foot in any government office. Its become rare to se a white male working in ANY government office.. at least in So Cal
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Doors ARE open to just about anyone who is willing to work hard enough bor.
People from ANY background can succeed in the US. Yes, some are more advantaged than others - easier to be born rich than poor.
But no one who is willing to work is systemically denied opportunity. That's just a lie.
bluepeter said:
I will agree that the majority of the responsibility for an individuals failure to achieve lies with that individual. However, the inference that all are viewed equally and have the same opportunity in the US is laughable.
Doors ARE open to just about anyone who is willing to work hard enough bor.
People from ANY background can succeed in the US. Yes, some are more advantaged than others - easier to be born rich than poor.
But no one who is willing to work is systemically denied opportunity. That's just a lie.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Do you believe that there are barriers which cannot be overcome? Institutional barriers?
People from certain backgrounds may have to work much harder than others, but, so what?
bluepeter said:
Do you believe that there are barriers which cannot be overcome? Institutional barriers?
People from certain backgrounds may have to work much harder than others, but, so what?
milo hobgoblin
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Matt.. you may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
milo hobgoblin said:
Anyone can get ahead in this country. Anyone. It's easier for some, but the opportunity is there for anyone.
milo hobgoblin said:
Anyone can get ahead in this country. Anyone. It's easier for some, but the opportunity is there for anyone.
FreeballinDC
Dumper Humper
The Black Caucus sent me an invite to their annual shindig here in DC.
I have no idea why they sent it to me, as I have not put my name on any organization's list for distribution.
I should have signed up for the VIP pass, and taken a black man as a date.
Dial Tone, would you like to join me?
I have no idea why they sent it to me, as I have not put my name on any organization's list for distribution.
I should have signed up for the VIP pass, and taken a black man as a date.
Dial Tone, would you like to join me?
bluepeter
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Institutional barriers? hhhmmm, I would say no except for inherent racism. I was getting more at what you just said in terms of people having to work that much harder to overcome because of their colour and/or circumstances.
MattTheSkywalker said:
Institutional barriers? hhhmmm, I would say no except for inherent racism. I was getting more at what you just said in terms of people having to work that much harder to overcome because of their colour and/or circumstances.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
What you're really talking about, then, is the reality that people are always going to be wary of someone new / not from their background until they get to know that person.
Racism, class discrimination, gender discrimination are all variations on this theme, aren't they?
bluepeter said:
What you're really talking about, then, is the reality that people are always going to be wary of someone new / not from their background until they get to know that person.
Racism, class discrimination, gender discrimination are all variations on this theme, aren't they?
Vicious cycle
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It pains me to agree with MTSW (j/k Matt) but, the following is from Biography.com and should put this whole thing to rest:
King, Martin Luther, Jr,
"Young Martin graduated from Morehouse College in Georgia (1948) and Crozer Theological Seminary (1951) and then took a PhD from Boston University (1955)"
PhD in 1955. This was in a time when racism was REALLY something to worry about. Whites and blacks a like should take note. He got his PhD not because he got extra points for being a certain color, but because he worked hard and earned it!
King, Martin Luther, Jr,
"Young Martin graduated from Morehouse College in Georgia (1948) and Crozer Theological Seminary (1951) and then took a PhD from Boston University (1955)"
PhD in 1955. This was in a time when racism was REALLY something to worry about. Whites and blacks a like should take note. He got his PhD not because he got extra points for being a certain color, but because he worked hard and earned it!
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Sure, this is where creativity and originality comes in. The presence of unemployment in an economy does not signify a lack of opportunity.
2ez said:
Sure, this is where creativity and originality comes in. The presence of unemployment in an economy does not signify a lack of opportunity.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
It's the fact that you say so what that bothers me bro. It is as if you are discounting their challenges. But when someone says there are tired, you will be quick to call them lazy.
You say opporunities are available to all, then you suggest the playing field is not leveled.
Please explain more what your thoughts are. It's confusing to me.
MattTheSkywalker said:
It's the fact that you say so what that bothers me bro. It is as if you are discounting their challenges. But when someone says there are tired, you will be quick to call them lazy.
You say opporunities are available to all, then you suggest the playing field is not leveled.
Please explain more what your thoughts are. It's confusing to me.
milo hobgoblin
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Actually MLK plagarized over half his doctoral thesis.. he didnt "earn" anythign unless you consider successfully stealing the thoughs and ideas of others "earning"
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
The playing field will never be equal. here you go:
I work with people from top universities. Many of their parents were top finance people who attended the same universities. The kids grew up with private schools and then on to the same universities their parents went. Unsurprisingly, they moved into influential finance jobs.
Most would say "anyone could do that" if they had those chances, and they would be right. I paid my own way to an elite boarding school that I got into ona basketball scholarship. then I paid my own way through Unviersity the same way.
After that I joined the Army. By the time I was 25 I got out, and some doors had opened. I took advantage and became successful. I still work 6-7 days a wee kand sometimes I am here until 11 at night.
Clearly, my road was harder than someone whose dad was a managing director of an investment bank.
Many people have it much much harder than I did. But anyone can get ahead if they are willing to work for it. It doesn't require an equal playing field, in fact from an economic standpoint, inequality creates growth.
2ez said:
The playing field will never be equal. here you go:
I work with people from top universities. Many of their parents were top finance people who attended the same universities. The kids grew up with private schools and then on to the same universities their parents went. Unsurprisingly, they moved into influential finance jobs.
Most would say "anyone could do that" if they had those chances, and they would be right. I paid my own way to an elite boarding school that I got into ona basketball scholarship. then I paid my own way through Unviersity the same way.
After that I joined the Army. By the time I was 25 I got out, and some doors had opened. I took advantage and became successful. I still work 6-7 days a wee kand sometimes I am here until 11 at night.
Clearly, my road was harder than someone whose dad was a managing director of an investment bank.
Many people have it much much harder than I did. But anyone can get ahead if they are willing to work for it. It doesn't require an equal playing field, in fact from an economic standpoint, inequality creates growth.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I give MLK a pass on this. Most theses largely involve plagiarism or at least the disguised copyng of another's ideas. If he was never famous, we'd have never known.
75th said:
I give MLK a pass on this. Most theses largely involve plagiarism or at least the disguised copyng of another's ideas. If he was never famous, we'd have never known.
bluepeter
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Yes except I disagree with the notion that people will automatically change and accept when they get to know them. There are many that will not give certain people a chance regardless, simply because of their colour/gender whatever. This isn't limited to blacks or minorities either although it is obviously far more prevalent.
MattTheSkywalker said:
Yes except I disagree with the notion that people will automatically change and accept when they get to know them. There are many that will not give certain people a chance regardless, simply because of their colour/gender whatever. This isn't limited to blacks or minorities either although it is obviously far more prevalent.
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I applaud your efforts....
Still not understanding....
For one college is not for everyone…
So what if you have a person of color and another of european decent. without a degree. Let’s talk about this playing field. Studies have shown that more people of color are denied business loans even when they have the same credentials as their white counterparts.
The study even showed that some that were approved were given higher rates. Now I am saying this is all without a personal guarantee, so their credit was not an issue. Asians and other ethnic groups were given funds for the must mundane of things.
Any thoughts on this ?
MattTheSkywalker said:
I applaud your efforts....
Still not understanding....
For one college is not for everyone…
So what if you have a person of color and another of european decent. without a degree. Let’s talk about this playing field. Studies have shown that more people of color are denied business loans even when they have the same credentials as their white counterparts.
The study even showed that some that were approved were given higher rates. Now I am saying this is all without a personal guarantee, so their credit was not an issue. Asians and other ethnic groups were given funds for the must mundane of things.
Any thoughts on this ?
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
The playing field will never be level.
One person might hear "yes" the first time they ask. Another might hear "no" the first 5 times and a "yes" on the 6th.
Someone else might have to ask 50 times to get a "yes".
Instead of complaining about the unfairness of an initial "no", try again - is what i would say to anyone who feels discriminated against. The idea that something happens because of skin color is a coput that holds down more people than any racism.
2ez said:
The playing field will never be level.
One person might hear "yes" the first time they ask. Another might hear "no" the first 5 times and a "yes" on the 6th.
Someone else might have to ask 50 times to get a "yes".
Instead of complaining about the unfairness of an initial "no", try again - is what i would say to anyone who feels discriminated against. The idea that something happens because of skin color is a coput that holds down more people than any racism.
Vicious cycle
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Dial_tone said:
Freshman lawmaker trying to get noticed. What a crock of shit.
the best way to find out how to properly represent your black consituants is to go ask them.
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Gambino
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
I admit I do live in a town that is 99.99% white...so does that make me a sepratist? If that is the case, then the black dudes living in detroit are speratist as well, since the city is predominantly black. I'll accept that label if it is equally applied.
as long as black people are termed "african american" and their are different laws for different skin color, then I feel very justified in using "your peeps, my peeps"...seems clearly that their is a major rift between the two, justifying the distinction.
econonmics certainly influence ones actions, not sure what this has to do with the thread topic but okay
2ez said:
I admit I do live in a town that is 99.99% white...so does that make me a sepratist? If that is the case, then the black dudes living in detroit are speratist as well, since the city is predominantly black. I'll accept that label if it is equally applied.
as long as black people are termed "african american" and their are different laws for different skin color, then I feel very justified in using "your peeps, my peeps"...seems clearly that their is a major rift between the two, justifying the distinction.
econonmics certainly influence ones actions, not sure what this has to do with the thread topic but okay
gjohnson5
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I got a little hard core on you boys these past few days. I'm not going to apologize for that as there have been far too many statements such as killing black fetuses and black are racist because we didn't let a white supremacist into the black caucus...
Kanye west is racist for saying "george Bush doesn't like black people"
Jesse Jackson is racist for coming to the aid of underpriveldged people , including underpriveledged whites...
What white people think baffles me despite the facts show were still the number 1 victim of hate crimes... Interesting
Anyway peace
Kanye west is racist for saying "george Bush doesn't like black people"
Jesse Jackson is racist for coming to the aid of underpriveldged people , including underpriveledged whites...
What white people think baffles me despite the facts show were still the number 1 victim of hate crimes... Interesting
Anyway peace
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gjohnson5 said:
I love this topic, soci-shit is very interesting...personally, I never said anything about fetuses of any color. that did seem fucked up and out of line...justifiable to be offended.
with that being said, I think you are misunderstanding something. please read this and try to understand, I know 75th mentioned it. Hate crimes are gonna be distorted because anti-white crimes are not labeled as hate crimes. If a bunch of black dudes beat my ass, it would be an assault charge. If a bunch of white dudes beat up a black dude it is a hate crime. that would explain why your "facts" show that blacks are the number vic's of hate crimes...btw, you would be hard pressed to find 1 under-privleged white boy that's gonna say that jesse jackson some how stands for him and his needs, not gonna happen.
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Yeah, kinda like that woman who wouldnt move to the back of the bus, what was her name again. To illustrate issues of using race to define a person, some people try and show inequities. Its like NO CATHOLIC NEED APPLY, in Northern Ireland controlled by the Protestants, the IRA movement was an outgrowth of the civil rights movement and MLK. Definining someone race or religion and then blatantly being discriminatory is wrong, WRONG, WRONG, no matter what color or religion is doing it. Black, white, brown, purple.
Its a dream.
But to strive towards, not offer sanctuary to b/c of past perceived or real inequities, its about all men being created equal and equality of opportunity. People that discriminate based on color of a person's skin is no less evil than anyone else. Lets call racism racism and racism is bad. Im telling you, thats where violence and hate and bombs and fights and all of that comes from. INequity, just look at N. Ireland.
It comes a time to say, NAACP is wrong and racist, which, they are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They only fuel resentment and ADD to white people's arguments a la the whites on this thread or white trash hopped up on methamphetamines joining skinhead groups b/c of bullshit like this. Let the man join, let a woman join, let Tiger Woods play at any golf course, let Rosa Parks sit on the front of the bus, let them drink from the same drinking fountains, sit in the same meetings, join the same groups, live in the same neighborhoods. Do anything less CONTRIBUTES TO THE CAUSE!!
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Yeah, kinda like that woman who wouldnt move to the back of the bus, what was her name again. To illustrate issues of using race to define a person, some people try and show inequities. Its like NO CATHOLIC NEED APPLY, in Northern Ireland controlled by the Protestants, the IRA movement was an outgrowth of the civil rights movement and MLK. Definining someone race or religion and then blatantly being discriminatory is wrong, WRONG, WRONG, no matter what color or religion is doing it. Black, white, brown, purple.
Its a dream.
But to strive towards, not offer sanctuary to b/c of past perceived or real inequities, its about all men being created equal and equality of opportunity. People that discriminate based on color of a person's skin is no less evil than anyone else. Lets call racism racism and racism is bad. Im telling you, thats where violence and hate and bombs and fights and all of that comes from. INequity, just look at N. Ireland.
It comes a time to say, NAACP is wrong and racist, which, they are. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They only fuel resentment and ADD to white people's arguments a la the whites on this thread or white trash hopped up on methamphetamines joining skinhead groups b/c of bullshit like this. Let the man join, let a woman join, let Tiger Woods play at any golf course, let Rosa Parks sit on the front of the bus, let them drink from the same drinking fountains, sit in the same meetings, join the same groups, live in the same neighborhoods. Do anything less CONTRIBUTES TO THE CAUSE!!
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gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
You were 75th... Then I tuened you into 1000000th. You couldn't get in my universe if you owned a space shuttle...
Yes I am now talking trash because I can do that as far as you're concerned.
Anyway, if he posts information on white supremacist web sites then he's a white supremacist.
75th said:
Also, I see you continue to distort facts:
Since when is he a white supremacist?
You were 75th... Then I tuened you into 1000000th. You couldn't get in my universe if you owned a space shuttle...
Yes I am now talking trash because I can do that as far as you're concerned.
Anyway, if he posts information on white supremacist web sites then he's a white supremacist.
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
G- are you a black supremacist? No talking trash, just want to know if youve posted anything on a black power website or anything in your past that could qualify you as anything less than a person who wants to solve the problems to make life and society better in the US. Basically, what I am asking IS: are you part of the problem, or are you part of the solution??
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G- are you a black supremacist? No talking trash, just want to know if youve posted anything on a black power website or anything in your past that could qualify you as anything less than a person who wants to solve the problems to make life and society better in the US. Basically, what I am asking IS: are you part of the problem, or are you part of the solution??
Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
God its amazing how completely stupid you are.
Amazing.
By the way, I post on a steroid discussion site...does that automatically make me a steroid user? I certainly hope not.
gjohnson5 said:
God its amazing how completely stupid you are.
Amazing.
By the way, I post on a steroid discussion site...does that automatically make me a steroid user? I certainly hope not.
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BrothaBill
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Yes, perhaps 75th, but perhaps not. Look, you are passionate as is he and he is willing to debate and offer some discourse on resolving the issues as you seem to be. I dont think either one of you are bad, more fed up. He has a right to be jaded, white people have less of that right based on history. I have that violent right too being from the history Ive come from but that only solves some solutions. At some point, you have to lay down on your arms and say lets move forward, which black leaders in the community seem unwilling to do bc it will mean losing votes.
Look, a failing community with poor leaders if you are racist should make you happy if you are a white supremacist. You can just sit back and watch them self destruct and create bad public relations. Its like you cant lend a hand and say, hello, wake up, this is just hurting your cause. We'll watch as latinos outdistance them and the influx of asians outdistance them to a subvoice in this global world. Its no longer a country, its a world community. Only the strong shall survive. You should be happy at that if you accept that and blame them.
I am only saddened and what to forget this neverending bullshit. My family came here a generation ago. I have no part of the history yet I am blamed for history while my people would be starved to death by the British. Im off to Australia shortly so wtf do I care about all of your alls disputes. Its like the palestinians and the Jews. Soon this slavery issue if not resolved will turn into a 2000 year blood feud and youll have to build wall to keep them out
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Yes, perhaps 75th, but perhaps not. Look, you are passionate as is he and he is willing to debate and offer some discourse on resolving the issues as you seem to be. I dont think either one of you are bad, more fed up. He has a right to be jaded, white people have less of that right based on history. I have that violent right too being from the history Ive come from but that only solves some solutions. At some point, you have to lay down on your arms and say lets move forward, which black leaders in the community seem unwilling to do bc it will mean losing votes.
Look, a failing community with poor leaders if you are racist should make you happy if you are a white supremacist. You can just sit back and watch them self destruct and create bad public relations. Its like you cant lend a hand and say, hello, wake up, this is just hurting your cause. We'll watch as latinos outdistance them and the influx of asians outdistance them to a subvoice in this global world. Its no longer a country, its a world community. Only the strong shall survive. You should be happy at that if you accept that and blame them.
I am only saddened and what to forget this neverending bullshit. My family came here a generation ago. I have no part of the history yet I am blamed for history while my people would be starved to death by the British. Im off to Australia shortly so wtf do I care about all of your alls disputes. Its like the palestinians and the Jews. Soon this slavery issue if not resolved will turn into a 2000 year blood feud and youll have to build wall to keep them out
gjohnson5 said:
The reason it baffles you, the way white people think, is because despite what the media reports, white people are on the receiving end of inter-racial violence and intimidation. White people are on the receiving end of rude behaviour, verbal abuse, intimidation all the time. You wouldn't understand because it's a white thing.
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October 4, 2005 -- Four middle-school students were arrested yesterday in what police described as a racially motivated robbery and attack — the latest in a spate of bias crimes that have inflamed a section of Brooklyn.
The youths — two 11-year-olds, a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old — are all black. They allegedly followed a 12-year-old white youth several blocks after the school they all attend was dismissed on Friday.
The four called the victim a "cracker" before beating him and stealing his cellphone on Veterans Avenue in Mill Basin, police said.....
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/54707.htm
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Now, I'd bet my life's savings that these type of incidents happen hundreds of times a day in cities through-out America. Black kids ganging up on a white kid and beating them (and always a group, never one on one). In this case it's called a hate crime, suprisingly. White people are the NUMBER ONE victim in the majority of inter-racial violent crime.
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Three people charged with a hate crime are accused of beating and robbing a 16-year-old boy because he was a “white person in a black neighborhood and appeared to be an easy target,” a Henrico County police spokesman said.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servle...TD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031785297113
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Also, with the exception of really heinious crimes like the one in Jasper TX, alot of so-called hate crimes are committed by the victims themselves. Can any one say Tawana Bradley?
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How come the so called ghetto areas in ANY american city is considered a no-go zone for white people? Do you think it's because white people hate black people? NO it's because white people have learned it is UNSAFE to be white in a ghetto.
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gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
No I have not and I don't even know what a black supremacist is. I have a good definition for it , a black leader who was either shot dead or imprisioned for talking to much or loudly?
Once again it baffles me what white people think
BrothaBilly said:
No I have not and I don't even know what a black supremacist is. I have a good definition for it , a black leader who was either shot dead or imprisioned for talking to much or loudly?
Once again it baffles me what white people think
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gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
No, this line of questioning is what's stupid
What does steroids have to do with racial equality???
Yes , if you post on a steroid board is there not guilt by association? There are bookoo people who see my pics and write me a PM assuming I do gear too.
So yes there is guilt by association. Is that guilt "WARRANTED" in the steroid board?? Maybe not but in the white supremacy instance , I am going to say yes. If Jesse jackson is labeled a racist for coming to the aid of the underprivledged (including whites) , then I'm going to call him a white supremacist for posting on a white supremacy web site
75th said:
No, this line of questioning is what's stupid
What does steroids have to do with racial equality???
Yes , if you post on a steroid board is there not guilt by association? There are bookoo people who see my pics and write me a PM assuming I do gear too.
So yes there is guilt by association. Is that guilt "WARRANTED" in the steroid board?? Maybe not but in the white supremacy instance , I am going to say yes. If Jesse jackson is labeled a racist for coming to the aid of the underprivledged (including whites) , then I'm going to call him a white supremacist for posting on a white supremacy web site
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gjohnson5
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Re: White lawmaker tries to join black caucus-gets denied-NAACP asks for HIS resignat
Ok , I'll cater to this idea of black supremacy. Although , I generally think such a thing does not exist , I'll look into it as silly as I think this is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy
Black supremacy vs. white supremacy
In its simplest form, black supremacy is the belief in the inherent superiority of the "black race." Unlike many white supremacists, who often embrace the label, black supremacists generally do not regard their belief in black superiority as equivalent to white supremacy, which historically has been reinforced and sustained worldwide by instruments of Western economic, political and military power. By comparison, there has never been any powerful, far-reaching nexus of instruments under black control with a corollary effect on whites.
In modern history, black supremacy has been a reactionary phenomenon most evident among various religions or cults as an ideological tool in framing a kind of liberation theology for the societally marginalized and oppressed. Scholar and philosopher Cornel West comments in his essay Malcolm X and Black Rage:
...The basic aim of Black Muslim theology -- with its distinct Black supremacist account of the origins of white people -- was to counter white supremacy. Yet this preoccupation with white supremacy still allowed white people to serve as the principal point of reference. That which fundamentally motivates one still dictates the terms of what one thinks and does -- so the motivation of a Black supremacist doctrine reveals how obsessed one is with white supremacy....
In neither its intellectual nor its political context, however, is black supremacy -- as many are inclined to believe -- mere sophistry; it is a strongly held notion. Even so, black supremacy is little more than an intellectual construct; black supremacy, per se, as a corollary of white supremacy, does not exist. In Killing Rage: Ending Racism, noted author and social commentator bell hooks writes:
...it is the system that promotes domination and subjugation. The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination that affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood. (1995, p. 154)
Black supremacy as a core belief in the inherent superiority of people of indigenous, black African decent has been a thriving, if marginal, notion among blacks for 75 years or more in the modern era.
Some black supremacist organizations have joined forces with white supremacist or extremist organizations. Marcus Garvey invited a Ku Klux Klan spokesman to speak at one of his rallies, and the Nation of Islam has ties to George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party. The NOI also has estabalished ties with a number of organizations across racial and ethnic lines, including the Unification Church; and has a working relationship with the organization of wealthy economist and outsider politico Lyndon LaRouche, widely considered a neo-fascist by the mainstream media. White supremacist Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance spoke at the "National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally," hosted by the New Black Panther Party.
So in essense black sumpremacy has
1. no effect on whites
2. is a reaction against white supremacy
3. a liberation theology
So in essense someone , who was probably white, created a label called black supremacy since white supremacy was definitly in effect. But atleast they were kind enough to point out that it is a reaction to white supremacy and is a liberation theology.
How can the word liberation (to be free or to free yourself) be associated with supremacy. How can one or a groups who's intent is to free themselves view themselves a better then what they are trying to free themselves from???
How can one be better then your oppressor??
This terms is a utter contradiction and one of the sillies things I've ever had to point out. Black supremacy does not exist...
No the ignorance in on BrothaBill and 75th for even going here.
75th said:
Ok , I'll cater to this idea of black supremacy. Although , I generally think such a thing does not exist , I'll look into it as silly as I think this is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy
Black supremacy vs. white supremacy
In its simplest form, black supremacy is the belief in the inherent superiority of the "black race." Unlike many white supremacists, who often embrace the label, black supremacists generally do not regard their belief in black superiority as equivalent to white supremacy, which historically has been reinforced and sustained worldwide by instruments of Western economic, political and military power. By comparison, there has never been any powerful, far-reaching nexus of instruments under black control with a corollary effect on whites.
In modern history, black supremacy has been a reactionary phenomenon most evident among various religions or cults as an ideological tool in framing a kind of liberation theology for the societally marginalized and oppressed. Scholar and philosopher Cornel West comments in his essay Malcolm X and Black Rage:
...The basic aim of Black Muslim theology -- with its distinct Black supremacist account of the origins of white people -- was to counter white supremacy. Yet this preoccupation with white supremacy still allowed white people to serve as the principal point of reference. That which fundamentally motivates one still dictates the terms of what one thinks and does -- so the motivation of a Black supremacist doctrine reveals how obsessed one is with white supremacy....
In neither its intellectual nor its political context, however, is black supremacy -- as many are inclined to believe -- mere sophistry; it is a strongly held notion. Even so, black supremacy is little more than an intellectual construct; black supremacy, per se, as a corollary of white supremacy, does not exist. In Killing Rage: Ending Racism, noted author and social commentator bell hooks writes:
...it is the system that promotes domination and subjugation. The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination that affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood. (1995, p. 154)
Black supremacy as a core belief in the inherent superiority of people of indigenous, black African decent has been a thriving, if marginal, notion among blacks for 75 years or more in the modern era.
Some black supremacist organizations have joined forces with white supremacist or extremist organizations. Marcus Garvey invited a Ku Klux Klan spokesman to speak at one of his rallies, and the Nation of Islam has ties to George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party. The NOI also has estabalished ties with a number of organizations across racial and ethnic lines, including the Unification Church; and has a working relationship with the organization of wealthy economist and outsider politico Lyndon LaRouche, widely considered a neo-fascist by the mainstream media. White supremacist Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance spoke at the "National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally," hosted by the New Black Panther Party.
So in essense black sumpremacy has
1. no effect on whites
2. is a reaction against white supremacy
3. a liberation theology
So in essense someone , who was probably white, created a label called black supremacy since white supremacy was definitly in effect. But atleast they were kind enough to point out that it is a reaction to white supremacy and is a liberation theology.
How can the word liberation (to be free or to free yourself) be associated with supremacy. How can one or a groups who's intent is to free themselves view themselves a better then what they are trying to free themselves from???
How can one be better then your oppressor??
This terms is a utter contradiction and one of the sillies things I've ever had to point out. Black supremacy does not exist...
No the ignorance in on BrothaBill and 75th for even going here.
