Which is a better mass builder Deca or Fina??

[dirtyluke1]

I was just wondering which of the two is a better mass builder my buddy wants to run a bulking cycle it will be his 3rd hes 190lb which compound will be better to run with 500mg of ethanate/week for 12 weeks and 30mg d-bol for 1st 5 weeks should he run 400mg deca/week for 10 weeks or 75mg of fina e/o/d/ which will give better mass gains????

 

[Mavy]

THats very tough as they are close. Deca gives you the thick dense look of thick slabs of muscle, and tren solidifys and rips you. I have seen people do well ...but one of the biggest body transformations I have ever seen was when a good friend of mine ran ProLine's Tren (when he was still good). It was unbelievable.

Personally, I wouldnt run either of them for 10 wks ... looking for trouble. I personally would run NPP for 6 wks.

Mavy

 

[flex2win]

Mavs right on this one, these two are essentially cousins, both will stack extremely well with this cycle, which happens to be one of my favorites...

 

[Duncan_floyd]

bump! just dont run the two together!

 

[NJjuice22]

I have to say that all depends on how you respond to each...i personally hate deca, i doesnt do shit except bloat me...now fina on the other hand, i grow like a weed...so for me its definetly fina.

 

[wizardnor]

I have to say that all depends on how you respond to each...i personally hate deca, i doesnt do shit except bloat me...now fina on the other hand, i grow like a weed...so for me its definetly fina.

i agreed fina, dont run the two together!

 

[lartinos]

tren, but not so long.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I have to say that all depends on how you respond to each...i personally hate deca, i doesnt do shit except bloat me...now fina on the other hand, i grow like a weed...so for me its definetly fina.

I noticed the same thing, but in all fairness to deca, the only deca only cycle I ran was one of my early cycles and it was ttokkyo... and we know what type of reputation they had.

Sorry I do have the chuckle at the NPP phenominon going on now. Its a good compound though, and I'll just keep the joke to myself and those who really understand this phenominon, so it isn't ruined for everyone, since this is a positive trend in my opinion.

 

[bigdho]

Fina

 

[BIC]

knowing that fina compeats for the same receptor cites as test wouldnt decca be a better choice.....can anyone confirm or deny this..?????

BIC

 

[BIC]

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[Dial_tone]

This is tough. I get faster gains on Fina but I wouldn't stay on it more than 6 weeks. Deca is slower gains but I could go 10-12 weeks. It's the tortoise vs the hare.

 

[Nighthawkk]

This is tough. I get faster gains on Fina but I wouldn't stay on it more than 6 weeks. Deca is slower gains but I could go 10-12 weeks. It's the tortoise vs the hare.

I agree. I use Deca in longer bulk cycles, and limit my Tren use to shorter cutting cycles. They are both excellent though.

 

[BIC]

knowing that fina compeats for the same receptor cites as test wouldnt decca be a better choice.....can anyone confirm or deny this..?????

BIC

 

[satchboogie]

i cant believe nobody here addressed a serious issue regarding the two substances...

deca is manufactured by several human grade pharmaceutical companies.
tren isnt!

so with tren, you're basiclaly forced to go underground.
with deca, more choices.

also, keep in mind that fina has WAY more sides than deca.

listen, deca has been around and has proven to be a very effective choice for bulking and/or cutting. stick with it trooper!

 

[majutsu]

Deca gives you the thick dense look of thick slabs of muscle,
Mavy

 

[lartinos]

i cant believe nobody here addressed a serious issue regarding the two substances...

deca is manufactured by several human grade pharmaceutical companies.
tren isnt!

so with tren, you're basiclaly forced to go underground.
with deca, more choices.

also, keep in mind that fina has WAY more sides than deca.

listen, deca has been around and has proven to be a very effective choice for bulking and/or cutting. stick with it trooper!

Thats why making it yourself isn't that bad of an idea. If you can handle the sides tren all the way in my book. Deca is Tren's little brother that is slightly less annoying. We are talking results here and the stuff is amazing for that.

 

[Mavy]

Sorry I do have the chuckle at the NPP phenominon going on now. Its a good compound though, and I'll just keep the joke to myself and those who really understand this phenominon, so it isn't ruined for everyone, since this is a positive trend in my opinion.

I dont know if you are chuckling at me about this .. or what? What is the big joke? Every one knows that they are the same thing. The reason that I would choose it over regular deca is because you can run it for a short period of time. Whats the point of running nandrolone decanoate for 5 weeks? There IS a point of running NPP for that long, you will actually see your gains in that time frame.

 

[needsize]

personally I would go with deca, the water retention in the joints makes my training a whole lot easier, less frequent injections, you can combat hairloss with deca but not with fina(its not via dht), etc, but to each his own...

 

[TheRide]

bump! just dont run the two together!

I think everyone has covered it... got to agree even w/the damn canuck Mav!!

 

[searay]

ive done a deca/tren/var cycle and it was one of the best ive done. solid muscle gains and great strenth gains. cant ask for more than that.................

 

[flex2win]

i cant believe nobody here addressed a serious issue regarding the two substances...

deca is manufactured by several human grade pharmaceutical companies.
tren isnt!

so with tren, you're basiclaly forced to go underground.
with deca, more choices.

also, keep in mind that fina has WAY more sides than deca.

listen, deca has been around and has proven to be a very effective choice for bulking and/or cutting. stick with it trooper!

Finally!! Vote for deca in 2004!!!

 

[shadylask]

from personal experience with both. I would say the fina, but definately not for 10 weeks. Maybe more like 5 or so. Dont get me wrong, deca does great, and everyones different. I say fina. Fina owns

 

[Deleted member 33117]

knowing that fina compeats for the same receptor cites as test wouldnt decca be a better choice.....can anyone confirm or deny this..?????

BIC

??? All anabolic steroids use the same receptors (although it APPEARS that deca and tren can crossbind with progestin receptors as an agonist, and stano has some binding as an antagonist for progestin and estragen receptors, however the greater majority of even those compounds once in the bloodstream will not bind to these receptors). Even if different compounds compete, this is a non-issue since studies have now shown consistantly that androgens at supralogical doses will cause AR upregulation in accomidate higher blood serum levels.

 

[geoboy]

Sorry I do have the chuckle at the NPP phenominon going on now. Its a good compound though, and I'll just keep the joke to myself and those who really understand this phenominon, so it isn't ruined for everyone, since this is a positive trend in my opinion.

since i'm looking into an npp cycle, clue us in...... whats the joke??

 

[bigmk]

From my experience deca is the king of AS. If you want good mass this is only the way to go. Fina is a great compound in its own right. Fina gives me good power and vascularity. Try them seperately and see which one works best for you. Give yourself a favor and start with the deca.

 

[Tryn2]

I have run both and will run them both again. Yet so far I thin k Il iked the deca for buliking and will use tren for cutting....I know its mostly diet but I bulked up on deca and became stronger and more vascular on tren....

 

[bullcocky]

I was told not to run them together but I had dramatic gains in size and strenghth.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

since i'm looking into an npp cycle, clue us in...... whats the joke??

NPP is the same drug as deca... the different ester will not change the side effects in any signifigant way. If anything do to a higher release rate and a slightly higher amount of nandrolone per mg due to a slightly lighter ester rate, they might even be more pronounced. However, in all honesty if you really and truely believe that you will not get the "known deca side effects" from NPP, then odds are you will not get them. Some of them are psychosomatic in all but a few rare individuals. No, NPP is a wonderful drug, but only because it allows for the benefits of nandrolone, which is a great compound, without the bad rap that deca carries.

 

[geoboy]

NPP is the same drug as deca... the different ester will not change the side effects in any signifigant way. If anything do to a higher release rate and a slightly higher amount of nandrolone per mg due to a slightly lighter ester rate, they might even be more pronounced. However, in all honesty if you really and truely believe that you will not get the "known deca side effects" from NPP, then odds are you will not get them. Some of them are psychosomatic in all but a few rare individuals. No, NPP is a wonderful drug, but only because it allows for the benefits of nandrolone, which is a great compound, without the bad rap that deca carries.

one of the knocks on Deca is that it can hang around in sufficient quantities to screw up recovery & be detectable (but not affect anabolism) for MONTHS (is that really true, or just myth?). doesn't at least that issue go away with the Prop varient?

 

[majutsu]

This is an old thread. I want to addend my statement on page 1. When I wrote that, I had done tren acet many times, and deca much more. Now, I am in the middle of a tren enan cycle. Let me say, "Holy shit!" I hit plateau at 210 5'10" 8-9%BF, been there for months. After 3 weeks I am 218! This is unbelievalbe at this point. I am stunned at the effectiveness of high dose tren enan. Also, while everything I wrote is pharmacologically true, 2 new studies about tren came out since then. One study showed tren increase IGF more than GH, and much more than test, through mechanisms independent of the anabolic receptor (it was blocked). In other words, tren is like test+GH right out of the bottle. A second study showed that tren improved "feed lot efficiency", meaning that if they filled the trough with the same feed, the tren cattle brought more meat to market anyway, without more food. This effect probably helped me as I was taking 7kcal a day at my plateau and just didn't feel I could get anymore in. On the same diet, I growing again anyway with tren. The enanthate ester seems more effective to me, maybe smoother blood levels. I may consider lowering tren by 30% and replacing it with 200-300 deca next time for a most ideal stack. Test/tren/deca all three compounds have unique properties and advantages in growth. It's not as clear-cut, either-or as I previously believed. BTW the myth about not mixing tren and deca started because of concerns of excessive progesterone. But tren is not so progesterone agonistic in real-life as it is in the test tube, so this doesn't matter much in actual practice.

 

[jubei]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

Agreed. As the price on powders come down on them I would like to try NNP with boldenone propionate at 50 mg a day each. It should be a nice, low side effect stack.

 

[jubei]

i totally agree. thow in some winny or var an voila....

 

[x_muscle]

is it a good i dea to run the 2 together on cycle while running nolva, and anti-progestrone like bromo on cycle!!!

 

[satchboogie]

I was told not to run them together but I had dramatic gains in size and strenghth.

throw in some anadrol while you're at it..
dont forget to pre purchase a few bras!

 

[geoboy]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

hey J

your avatar pic is awesome. Therefore I'm sure you get this question alot, but can you post some cycle logs (or links if you already did)?

thanks bro.

 

[georgie24]

throw in some anadrol while you're at it..
dont forget to pre purchase a few bras!

lol, your killin me

 

[geoboy]

THats very tough as they are close. Deca gives you the thick dense look of thick slabs of muscle, and tren solidifys and rips you. I have seen people do well ...but one of the biggest body transformations I have ever seen was when a good friend of mine ran ProLine's Tren (when he was still good). It was unbelievable.

Personally, I wouldnt run either of them for 10 wks ... looking for trouble. I personally would run NPP for 6 wks.

Mavy

1) is the "dense slabs of muscle" look a temporary phenomenon with the water, or does it persist (deca causes intramuscular fat accumulation if i recall)?

2) what dose NPP would u reccommend?

3) this might be a dopey question, but has anyone noticed if its harder to lose fat and get lean after a few deca cycles? maybe intramuscular isnt the only place it creates fat cells?

 

[Mavy]

1) is the "dense slabs of muscle" look a temporary phenomenon with the water, or does it persist (deca causes intramuscular fat accumulation if i recall)?

2) what dose NPP would u reccommend?

3) this might be a dopey question, but has anyone noticed if its harder to lose fat and get lean after a few deca cycles? maybe intramuscular isnt the only place it creates fat cells?

1. Eh bro ... I dont know to what degree the intra-musclular fat storage happens with deca. I have heard huck or macro mention this a few times. Nandrolone makes me hard! (muscles I am talkin about here .. lol). I feel very solid, not bloated or puffy at all, ... compared to test for example. Some do get blaot from Deca, but I would say you are going to get it worse from test.

2. Not to sure about your cycle history or not, but I am doing 200mg e3d, and liking the results so far. I would maybe be tempted to go 200mg e2d next time around.

3. I have only used Deca once before a long while ago, and havent noticed any problem like that, I can see what happens after my run with NPP this time.

Cheers,
Mavy

 

[Slyder190]

I'd say Deca definately, although Fina will cause crazy gains in strength. Tren with Test though makes for a pretty powerful stack.

 

[geoboy]

1. Eh bro ... I dont know to what degree the intra-musclular fat storage happens with deca. I have heard huck or macro mention this a few times. Nandrolone makes me hard! (muscles I am talkin about here .. lol). I feel very solid, not bloated or puffy at all, ... compared to test for example. Some do get blaot from Deca, but I would say you are going to get it worse from test.

2. Not to sure about your cycle history or not, but I am doing 200mg e3d, and liking the results so far. I would maybe be tempted to go 200mg e2d next time around.

3. I have only used Deca once before a long while ago, and havent noticed any problem like that, I can see what happens after my run with NPP this time.

Cheers,
Mavy

thanks M- I keep changing my mind on trying NPP. only nandrolone I ever tried was transdermal 19-nor awhile back. didnt grow much, but got great non-workout-dependent 24/7 pumps.

hope u keep us posted on ur progress on the NPP

 

[hammertime30]

From my experience deca is the king of AS. If you want good mass this is only the way to go. Fina is a great compound in its own right. Fina gives me good power and vascularity. Try them seperately and see which one works best for you. Give yourself a favor and start with the deca.

sorry deca is good, but not king...DBOL is king...deca is like the knight...ok maybe the Queen just bent over waiting for DBOL to ram it in!

 

[minn u]

Everone says do not run fina and deca but never gives a reason. I would like to know why? I know they both tend to make you impotent, is that why?

 

[herdus33]

Everone says do not run fina and deca but never gives a reason. I would like to know why? I know they both tend to make you impotent, is that why?

You bumped this thread from 4 yrs ago for this question???....

Well anyways...your answer is because together they will cause excessive progesterone, along with impotence. I feel that they could be run together in moderate doses tho. And while using dostinex of course.

 

[nickster#1]

THats very tough as they are close. Deca gives you the thick dense look of thick slabs of muscle, and tren solidifys and rips you. I have seen people do well ...but one of the biggest body transformations I have ever seen was when a good friend of mine ran ProLine's Tren (when he was still good). It was unbelievable.

Personally, I wouldnt run either of them for 10 wks ... looking for trouble. I personally would run NPP for 6 wks.

Mavy

WTF????? deca should be ran for 12 to 15 weeks, and tren I run no longer than 8 weeks. HUGE difference between the two. Deca inflates you, loobs the joints and puts on weight fast, also takes 2 to 3 weeks to really kick in. Tren does NOT inflate, it leans you out, gives awsome strength gains without the water, and you see results as fast as 5 to 7 days into cycle. Deca is a nandrolone, and tren is a deriviative of nandrolone, but 2 totally differant types of cycles. Run one or the other. Deca for bulking, and tren/prop to lean out. Deca in the winter and tren in the spring, so when summer hits, so do the hotties.
My experiences with the both.........................................peace

 

[navigatorrs]

WTF????? deca should be ran for 12 to 15 weeks, and tren I run no longer than 8 weeks. HUGE difference between the two. Deca inflates you, loobs the joints and puts on weight fast, also takes 2 to 3 weeks to really kick in. Tren does NOT inflate, it leans you out, gives awsome strength gains without the water, and you see results as fast as 5 to 7 days into cycle. Deca is a nandrolone, and tren is a deriviative of nandrolone, but 2 totally differant types of cycles. Run one or the other. Deca for bulking, and tren/prop to lean out. Deca in the winter and tren in the spring, so when summer hits, so do the hotties.
My experiences with the both.........................................peace

Well said bro!!!!

 

[02gixxersix]

I have to say that all depends on how you respond to each...i personally hate deca, i doesnt do shit except bloat me...now fina on the other hand, i grow like a weed...so for me its definetly fina.

I'm the same way. Tren FTW for me.

 

[squatmonkey]

Deca makes my johnson quit working. I've never had that problem with tren.

 

[aquatic_glories]

personally I would go with deca, the water retention in the joints makes my training a whole lot easier, less frequent injections, you can combat hairloss with deca but not with fina(its not via dht), etc, but to each his own...

I know you wrote this long time ago but you are still here so I can ask.
Can it be because you either used excess amount of tren or used 5a-reductase blocker during cycles??


thanks

 

[DjCentric]

i agree, from my experience, FINA is by far the choice. I would kill for that cyc if i could manage some Test lol

 

[iggy]

test e + tren = all

 

[DjCentric]

I for the first time, am looking to order my fina online and ship it. I always had my boys do it and convert it. Is there anything i should be nervous in regards? (purchase,shipping)?

I am thinking of shipping to a PO b.

iggy let me know if you suggest anything bro

thanks!

 

[finger543]

I have a ?, with fina all the conversion kit directions are based on a certian kit size what if the kit is larger. Also if your final product is 75mg is one ml considered a 75 mg does. Thanks to all who message or reply

 

[finger543]

From what ive read it seems that way i dont have the
Balls to order anything else anyway