When do you lose gains if you stop training?

[Toenail Juice Z]

If you stop training, how long does it take to start losing gains (if you lose gains), assuming your diet is ok.

If you lose gains can they be quickly recovered due to muscle memory?

 

[GaryWary]

If you carry on consuming a good diet with plenty of protein and say take one 'maintenance' gym session per week - all over body workout - no fancy stuff - just basics..

then you'll lose hardly anything.. (unless it was all roid created)

 

[Toenail Juice Z]

What if it was roid created!

 

[The mann]

i would think if toy trained hard and made some gains,you would have to continue to train to keep size.maybe you won't lose every bit,but damn i would think you would lose.if you used gear and stopped training and using ,i don't see how you would keep any........just my .02

talk is cheap

 

[Charles Ray]

I did a cycle and then stopped training for about 5 months. I lost a lot of strenght and size. The weight gains were still there but they weren't as solid. So when I had a chance I did a 2 week cycle of dbol and Primobolan and I got everything back quickly. I worked out like once a week for maintenance and it worked out pretty well. Dbol is some good shit for quick strength gains.

 

[M56M]

Wondering the same thing...

I am having the same problem. Just finished a cycle of Sustanon/EQ/Winny gained about 25lbs kept a good 20lbs. But now my shoulders are all fucked up. Its to the point where i can hardly do chest and shoulders. But i don't want to take time off in the chance of losing what i have gained. I am probably do for a week off becuase the last week i had off was 7 months ago. But i think that a week won't do shit, they are too messed up. Should i take time off now or wait until at least 2 months after my cycle to make gains more solid?

M56M

 

[maxellyz]

i feel like im losing gains if i miss one day of training maybe its all in my head

 

[Nathan]

What if you weren't up to your natural level before you juiced? Say, you got up to your natural level with it or even a bit beyond. What would you lose then? Is the general rule that you fall back down to where you were before you juiced or back down to your natural level or a bit below?

 

[Stiffler]

This is what happened to me, and I'm sure I have said this a ton on this board about breaking my arm...lol;

7 weeks into my last deca/sust cycle I broke my arm really bad, I did my clomid but half assed it cuase I was depressed. the day I broke it I weighed in at 194lbs with 13%BF. now almost 3 months later I weigh 178lbs 17%BF and my muscle mass is really done.

I just started back in the gym last week cause I got my cast/brace off 2 weeks ago, and my leg strengh is all ther well maybe lost about 8-10% strengh on my legs, but I know I will get it back in aleast 1 month.

Now for my upper body whoa right arm (the good one) lost about 30% of my strengh and my broken one I can only bench 25lbs on the hammer strengh machine. I hope to god it get my strengh back in my bad arm quick. if anybody has broken there humorus bone please tell me how long it took to get it back to where it was!!! well sorry this thing is so long but I hope it helps

 

[M56M]

Don't bite my head off, this is just a thought...

What if you weren't up to your natural level before you juiced? Say, you got up to your natural level with it or even a bit beyond. What would you lose then? Is the general rule that you fall back down to where you were before you juiced or back down to your natural level or a bit below?

To my understanding i think it has to work like this, if you juice and build "liquid muscle" then train hard for a year without juicing that muscle must be alot more solid. So i think its about making you gains more solid and "real"(you know what i mean) will determine what happens. But if you keep juicing and don't stop you never give your body a chance to make that mucsle into real muscle. Does that make sense?

M56M

 

[Nathan]

I was sorry to hear that when I first read it and am still feeling badly for you Stiffler. I hope you make a speedy recovery dude. It sounds like the moral of the story is if you stop working out completely you'll lose your muscle no matter what (usually) but if you start back up then your previous gains and strenght come back very quickly. I can at least vouch for gains coming back fairly quickly as I dropped to 120lbs. (from about 190lbs.) due to illness and got back up to 170 lbs. in about a year (no gear).

 

[Stiffler]

thats kind of how I always thought about it. like young muscle that needs to be worked hard to become perminent and solid. and also needs to me done naturally...just my .02 sound wierd I know

 

[Nathan]

Sorry if I sounded harsh M65M, I really didn't mind to.

 

[badgermilk]

M56M........what kind of injury do you have to your shoulders?

 

[Nathan]

Damn...that should read "I really didn't MEAN to." I'm an ass, aren't I?

 

[M56M]

Nathan, what did you say, i didn't catch it bro.

M56M........what kind of injury do you have to your shoulders?

Don't really know, all i know is that when i finish flat bench i look like a little bitch holding my shoulders. All my friends tell me to stop but i have come this far and i don't want to loose what i have. But at this point its so bad i don't want to permently hurt myself. It sucks when something like that keeps you out of the gym, if you stop going becuase of your own stupidity then its "your fault" but when its an injury it hurts even more!!!

That really sucks Stiffler, get back in it bro, just train hard and don't get discouraged!! Good Luck!!

M56M

 

[Nathan]

Nevermind. I'm a fucking moron. I reread your post and I misread it the first time. I told you I was an ass.

 

[M56M]

Nevermind. I'm a fucking moron. I reread your post and I misread it the first time. I told you I was an ass.

Its alright bro. I was reading all up and down the thread like what the hell is he talking about.

BTW, what do you think about that concept? Giving the muscle time to become more solid. I think thats why bridging is not to great, you never give your muscle time to recupe. Is the idea far fetched?

(BTW, i am bridging with Anavar next cycle so i am an ass, if i am right.)

M56M

 

[dork]

I did my first cycle last summer, Winny 50mg EOD for 8 weeks. Im not sure if it was due to the Winny, the fact that i grew so fast, the fact that i got so strong, or just bad luck, but i dislocated my shoulder the day of my last shot.

I couldn't lift heavy for 2 months. I lost alot of size during the first month, but when i was able to bench again, i put up my the same max bench as i did during my cycle. (2 months later and after a dislocated shoulder)

I only lost about 8 pounds during those 2 months, but i got alot softer and lost a little size. (shirt sleeves that used to be tight weren't anymore)

 

[Nathan]

You talking to me? I just want to be sure this time on account of my overwhelming ass-like qualities. In any case, I'll be happy to provide my opinions. I think your hypothesis makes sense. I think also that it depends on where you are relative to your natural potential. For instance, say you juice when you're pretty far from your natural peak and you still don't get there when your cycle is done. You keep training and I've read of guys who make further strength and mass gains without more juice but then it slows. I'd say that why those people have is as permanent as its gonna get. However, say you make it to your natural potential (any way you like), then juice and go beyond but stop using gear and keep working out. I'd say you might slowly lose your gains until you get back to your natural peak. Bear in mind I have no experience with that but that's how I think it should go. Any more opinions?

 

[Yellowbomber]

Muscle memory is the keyword, you will win all again in a pair of months

 

[M56M]

Muscle memory is the keyword, you will win all again in a pair of months

I think that is the key though, making the muscle memory. I believe that you accomplish it by lifting naturally and making you gains more solid. That way when you take off its not juice muscle but rather more natural muscle. But i think thats only possible if you lift natural for some time after a cycle. Thats why i think time off with intense training and good diet is key.

M56M