When bulking: Eat clean for quality but less calories Vs. Eat anything for quantity

[Shoot Me Up]

Hay guys, from my experience I find it VERY HARD to consume SO MANY CALORIES, when eating clean to get big.....Like if your going to stick to your basics of oatmeal, brown rice, whole weat pasta, potatoes, and for protien, chicken, fish, turkey burgers and some red meat.....plus you cant have any weight gainer shakes because most contain sugars am i right??? how are you supposed to gain around 5000 calories..i find it impossible!!!!!

when eating regular of whatever you enjoy you could get like 1000 calories in 1 meal so easily as opposed to eating clean...

so my question to you is, when bulking up..... IS EATING CLEAN FOR QUALITY WITH LESS CALORIES MORE EFFICIENT OPPOSED TO EATING ANYTHING IN REASON GIVING YOU MORE CALORIES???


THANKS A LOT!!!! AND PLEASE GIVE FOODS OR YOUR DIETS FOR EXPAMPLES...THANKS

 

[The Almighty]

IMO you can wade a little bit into the deep end of the pool as long as you dont go too far. Feel free to eat a little bit of junk as long as it can fulfill some of your needs. Dont even bother with candy or soda.

 

[Shoot Me Up]

so for example, EAT CLEAN but add in the N-large like 4 times a day to keep your calories up at top?? because I know i can make my calories eating clean with the help of a huge calorie protien supplement shake but the N-large2 has so much dam sugar...any other weight gainers out there with no sugar that someone can recommend? BUT WITH CARBS FOR BULKIN...and when i do bulk, i want to solidify also, not rip up, but be hard as hell!

 

[blown93302]

bro, i think theres a huge difference. eat as much clean food as you can, then if you still need extra cals, add some protein shakes/bars, nlarge, ect. i am eating a bag of peanuts everyday to increase my cals by around 800. so IMO there is no need to eat crap, even when bulking... your just gonna have to cut more fat off when your done, right?

 

[Nathan]

I gotta tell ya, I could eat a farm. 5000kcal is nothing. It depends on how big you are and your metabolism. Maybe you don't need 5000kcal. What's maintenance calories for you?

 

[Shoot Me Up]

well to be honest, i think i will just throw away the deca and replace EQ to help the hunger!!!, hehe, can someone reccommend a diet to obtain 5000 calories at ease and clean as possible for a 5"11 215lbs Bodyfat% around 18% or 16% at lowest (estimation)..thanks!

 

[Nathan]

Eat tons of protein. IMO, it's better to have a surplus of protein than of carbs and fat since it is more difficult for your body to convert protein to be stored as fat and you can be sure to get enough protein that way. So, lots of tuna, skinles chicken breasts, lean sirloin steak, egg whites, whole eggs, I like unsalted peanuts for calories with some protein, beans are good, brown rice, rolled oats, veggies, etc.

 

[Shoot Me Up]

and if i cant get enough of the regular food, is it ok to drink those EASY CALORIE shakes such as N-large2? if not, is there any form of protien powder /carbs i can take? thanks

 

[Nathan]

I'd stick mainly to protein powders that are primarily protein. For example, Optimum Nutrition is good stuff with very few carbs. There are lots of options though.

 

[Andy13]

Calories are calories.. It doesn't matter if your calories come from a snickers bar or oatmeal. Eating "clean" doesn't mean anything.

I recomed a low fat diet while bulking.

 

[Nutzz]

I mix oatmeal into all my protein shakes. Much better than sugar.

 

[Shoot Me Up]

hay, i like that idea of mixing oatmeal!! is the oatmeal cooked first though?, lol

 

[px1138]

i tried eating a ton back about 6 monthes ago, 'bulking' as everyone here recommended. i only ate 3000 cals a day, and i gained a TON of fat, probably about 15lbs in 2 monthes, but I did put 15lbs of muscle on too. but then, to lose the goddamn fat, i lost almost ALL the muscle. personally I will never 'bulk' again, even if it gets me some more muscle (w/ fat) because I work out to look good, not fat.
i think it all depends on your metabolism, if you think its really hard to take in X amount of calories, maybe you just shouldnt.

 

[rugger]

i tried eating a ton back about 6 monthes ago, 'bulking' as everyone here recommended. i only ate 3000 cals a day, and i gained a TON of fat, probably about 15lbs in 2 monthes, but I did put 15lbs of muscle on too. but then, to lose the goddamn fat, i lost almost ALL the muscle. personally I will never 'bulk' again, even if it gets me some more muscle (w/ fat) because I work out to look good, not fat.
i think it all depends on your metabolism, if you think its really hard to take in X amount of calories, maybe you just shouldnt.

Ditto most of that, I will not bulk again, but diet for mass.

Rugger

 

[Shoot Me Up]

how about eating clean but adding in those N-large2 shakes along with it?

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

As long as you eat 2 - 2.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight, and go above your calorie requirements it doesn't matter where tha calories come from.

Although it would be beneficial if they came from good sources, You will STILL GROW, if you keep your protein at 2 - 2.5 grams per lb of bodyweight.

 

[Audio8]

It basically all boils down to your body type. If you're an ectomorph (skinny with a high metabolism), you can afford to eat a little dirty to gain as much as possible, but if you're an endomorph (higher BF, but easy to gain muscle), you should eat cleaner.

 

[JuiceDude]

This is my favorite shake when bulking, works for me, I'm not worried about fat because i stay really lean year round. 2 servings of milk in the blender=300 cals. 2 servings of crunchy peanut butter=400 cals. I used a scoop of Optimum Nutrition, i think its like 120 cals. a serving. A 1/2 cup of oatmeal, around 120 cals. too i think. and finally I put a servings of ice cream in it. Taste great, takes ya about 5 minutes to get it all down. Last time i added everything up correctly, it was a little over a 1000s cals. and around 80 something grams of protein.

 

[ThickLEE]

I just ate a whole big pack of double stuffed oreos and drank a half gallon of whole vitamin d milk.
Thats 2520 calories just in cookies, 1200 calories in milk.
Thats 3720 calories in one sitting. but I'm training for my 1st powerlifting contest so fuck it.

 

[serge]

eat as many calories as you can shove down your throat, if you see some fat gains add t-3 and it will keep the fat off of you and improve your muscular gains.

 

[DaMan]

Calories are calories.. It doesn't matter if your calories come from a snickers bar or oatmeal. Eating "clean" doesn't mean anything.

I recomed a low fat diet while bulking.

Disagree. Why do you think there is no difference between high GI (snickers) and low GI (oatmeal) carbs? Not to mention that Snickers isn't really "low fat" (I know, it was just an example. But a lousy one )

 

[DaMan]

eat as many calories as you can shove down your throat, if you see some fat gains add t-3 and it will keep the fat off of you and improve your muscular gains.

t-3 will improve your muscular gains? i was under the impression that it's VERY catabolic unless you're taking a small dose like 25mcg which helps w/ protein synthesis but NOT fat burning...

I've never used it before so I'm just talking from research, but if you could shed some light on it that'd be great, sounds like a good idea if it works!!!! Details!!!!

 

[The mann]

i still try to eat clean when i gain weight,i up the potatoes,oatmeal,rice..and stay with the same protein sources .
you can have more junk food obviously while bulking,but not the bulk of your diet should be around eating garbage.

 

[BigAndy69]

t-3 will improve your muscular gains? i was under the impression that it's VERY catabolic unless you're taking a small dose like 25mcg which helps w/ protein synthesis but NOT fat burning...

I've never used it before so I'm just talking from research, but if you could shed some light on it that'd be great, sounds like a good idea if it works!!!! Details!!!!

I don't know much about it but it seems that they use only about 12.5mcgs when bulking.

 

[The Shadow]

During gainer cycles, I eat a double Quarter Pounder and Supersize fries and coke every day. Easy and tastey 1800 calories.

 

[Everlast]

You should eat as clean as possible but you should add in some high protein junk foods in there too. Stuff like burgers, pizzas, ice cream. But you shold only do this about once or twice a week only for about a total of 3 meals for the week and do 30 mins cardio for 4 days a week and you will keep the fat off and still make some quality gains!!!

 

[casavant]

Family size Stouffer's Lasagna and a gallon of whole milk a day.

 

[Andy13]

eat as many calories as you can shove down your throat, if you see some fat gains add t-3 and it will keep the fat off of you and improve your muscular gains.

Damn that WAR '96 book!!!!

T3 will do nothing for you on a bulking cycle. Shoving food down your face and taking t3 is like taking two steps forward and one step back. IMO you are better off eating less and not using t3.

Andy

 

[Andy13]

Disagree. Why do you think there is no difference between high GI (snickers) and low GI (oatmeal) carbs? Not to mention that Snickers isn't really "low fat" (I know, it was just an example. But a lousy one )

I'm saying that 50g of carbohydrate is 50g of carbohydrate. And 10g of fat is 10g of fat, and, for caloric intake and expenditure, it makes no difference where those macro's come from.

So 50g of carbs from skittles is the same as 50g of carbs from oatmeal.. Obviously there is a difference in micro nutrient profile, but not macro.

About the hi and low GI-- I think that system is terribly over-emphasized. Again, 50g of carbs is 50g of carbs.

Andy

 

[M56M]

how about eating clean but adding in those N-large2 shakes along with it?

To answer your question, no the oatmeal does not have to be cooked. Good luck bro.

M56M

 

[harem]

I think it all depends on the individual and your metabolism,

Both fast and slow metabolism groups need to get an adequate amount of protein(2g per pound of bodyweight while bulking), but as for carbs and everything else, I've seen that the person typically succeptable to gaining fat, has to be careful while bulking up, or it could get out of hand.
While the typically lean person can eat damn near anything he wants throughout the day, still keeping half ways lean in the offseason and will have no problem cutting up when its time to get to work,

I stay around 235 11-12% offseason, while have a buddy at around 265 roughly the same bodyfat,

I eat about 1500 more cals than him daily and my abs still show much better,

It depends on the individual as to caloric requirements in the offseason,
some people are lucky

oh yeah, juice helps

 

[px1138]

Damn that WAR '96 book!!!!

T3 will do nothing for you on a bulking cycle. Shoving food down your face and taking t3 is like taking two steps forward and one step back. IMO you are better off eating less and not using t3.

Andy

i TOTALLY agree.

I hate when people say "I am bulking and taking T3 to keep the fat off", for fucks sake just eat a little less! All T3 does is help you burn more calories, so what the fuck?

 

[CRAZYPITBULL]

Diet requirements,while bulking or cutting,are going to vary a
great deal for each individual.While bulking,I have found that the only way I actually gain weight is to eat constantly, and this includes Big macs,fries,pizza,you name it.Once I break through my
sticking point, I just back off on the junk food and eat cleaner for a few days,then it's back to the heavy calories again.