Whats the deal with all this andro?

[notno]

First I dont take this crap or roids,nor do I plan too.Im in no shape for either.This is more a question of curiousity.What is the deal with all this androstenedione,19-NORANDROSTENEDIONE, and all these "prohormones"?

Personally I doubt they work(not even dreaming of comparing them to the juice,as if it worked near as good as juice,people would take it) and based on some posts I have read,people get sides from these without any gains.If that is the case,why the fuck is it legal?

I would just like to here your inputs.Also something I have heard of this growth hormone,supposed to be unrelated to this (I am not talking about prescription type-(however I am interested in hearing about that too) can anyone help lead me to some good GH type product? I am considering taking it,not for mass,mainly for other aspects it has,although I dont believe all the anti-aging crap.If GH has no sides,what could it hurt.

 

[satchboogie]

its what professional athletes can say they're using when asked how they packed so much size in so little time.

 

[Animal]

They don't work and we are just harming ourselves, but it nice of you to worry about us!

 

[wizardnor]

You say..... I would just like to here your inputs.Also something I have heard of this growth hormone,supposed to be unrelated to this (I am not talking about prescription type-(however I am interested in hearing about that too) can anyone help lead me to some good GH type product? I am considering taking it,not for mass,mainly for other aspects it has,although I dont believe all the anti-aging crap.If GH has no sides,what could it hurt.

Don't play with this stuff, ypu are mess up now.

 

[NapoleanComplex]

prohormones work. But there are sides. I definitely notices decent strength gains and weight gains while on 1-ad. I was taking the recommended dosage. I gained about 8 lbs in 6wks. Kept 5lbs and half of my strength gains. Probably would have been better if I had taken some post cycle measures. But I'll never use them again. Real juice gives twice the gains, half the cost, and twice as safe.

in the middle of my prohormone cycle, I went from 6 pills (recommended dosage) to 9 pills. I broke out in hives w/ in 3 days. Bumped it back down to 6 and the hives started to go away. Cost me about a wk of training.

Satch made a great point. There ARE DEFINITELY ways to cycle juice on the professional levels and not get caught. These prohormones give them and easy excuse for putting on the lbs.

 

[notno]

Not messing with any such thing.As I said I am in no shape for either.Trying to soak my brain in information.In response to-----"Real juice gives twice the gains, half the cost, and twice as safe"
From what I have seen I agree indefinitly on twice the gains,and half the cost,but twice as safe-(not arguing), how do you come by that? So,GH is nothing but hogwash?

 

[javaguru]

Has any major athletic organization not banned them other than maybe the NBA?

 

[faller]

From what I have seen I agree indefinitly on twice the gains,and half the cost,but twice as safe-(not arguing), how do you come by that?

I think most of this is from experience. Plus you are limited as to the compounds you can sell legally, so maybe you can change the molecule to make it safer, but by doing it you make it illegal (hope that made sense). There are a lot of new PHs coming out, and they are all different with regards to sides and benefits.

 

[Animal]

Do you take into consideration even for a second where this info is coming from before you accept it carte-blanche?

Not one study anywhere, but somebody pops on here and the following is suddenly a commandment:

'From what I have seen I agree indefinitly on twice the gains,and half the cost,but twice as safe-(not arguing), ?'

Let's just note that he who issued said statement was taking them oral, as well.

Anyhow, PH are banned by all organizations as most of them have now adopted NCAA type rules where any manipulation of hormones or use of hormones is illegal.

 

[notno]

To idanimal

Well,I gather this from my own logic.First I am pretty sure steroids are much more effective than prohormones,because if they werent,wouldnt everyone forgot all the trouble and just do the legal way? Second,as for cost,thats something you can find out instantly for yourself.Do a search and see what these bozos want for a bottle of prohormones,and its in powder capsule form,most of the ingredient doesnt even get out of the liver.As for sides,I cant truly argue with what anyone says,as I have no experience with either anabolic substances nor 99 percent marketed,1 percent research prohormones.I am not the type to believe every word I hear,especially on the web,but here,there is hardly any greedy people spitting out pure bullshit compared to other places.Everything promises everything and doesnt deliver.I am just trying to make a little filter.

 

[Animal]

Re: To idanimal

Well,I gather this from my own logic.First I am pretty sure steroids are much more effective than prohormones,because if they werent,wouldnt everyone forgot all the trouble and just do the legal way?

Huh? Many of the prohormones which could be considered REAL AS are actually AS which were examined by the pharm industry many YEARS ago. They most definitely DO work, but there may have been problems with delivery before solvation in oil and addition with esters was figured out. Many of them have interesting or Different actions to the normal AS and they also have DIRECT action on receptors which wasn't known in the past or it wasn't doing exactly what they wanted it to do in the field of test replacement, so they scrapped it.

As for 'the legal way', some of us DO have access to ANYTHING we want, but chose to do the legal way as PH like 4ADne we have found to give better effects than something like Tsus, Tp.

Second,as for cost,thats something you can find out instantly for yourself.Do a search and see what these bozos want for a bottle of prohormones,and its in powder capsule form,most of the ingredient doesnt even get out of the liver.

Well, people like me and instynct999 have subjugated the problems with 'powder forms' and oral use. Yes, those companies capping stuff are a rip-off, I agree with you fully, but there are other places to donate your $ to where it is solvated in oil..........


.Everything promises everything and doesnt deliver.I am just trying to make a little filter.

Don't agree with that last statement, either which is why some of us aren't making outlandish claims and price stuff in the correct realm it should be for we don't rely on suckering people in to rip them off for a one time buy, but rely on repeat customers. You don't scam people that you want back and delivery system is key!

 

[manny78]

A snake oil thread.... ahahahaha

 

[Animal]

And you are a moderator?

I guess discussing the science behind PH and other non-declared real steroids and how they actually have been studied by the medical community is above the level of this board.

Oh well, how much clomid and ana do I need and how much more jackoff juice will it get me?

 

[JohnnyCoho]

As I posted in another thread, I took Androstenedione & Androstendiol to see if it would work and WONT be doing it again. I'll juice before that again, because of the sides. Gaines were great along with intensity in the gym so the shit did work for me.
(just my personal experience) I probably shoulda waited till I reached my personal peaks before even thinking about adding anything but was a newbee and went with the hype. Side effects truly suck!!! When coming off the shit I truly needed some advice and thank those in here that gave it. The sides truly sucked and wont worth the gains!!

I am currently on my 5's of the HST routine and not juicing or taking any prohormones and the gains have been great thus far without any sides. After finishing the 5's in the HST routine I'll be trying out the 5 X 5 and taking that as far as I can while staying clean.

I've learned a ton in here reading as many threads as I can and dont boo-hoo juicing a bit, just not my time yet. Maybe when I've reached my peak,..maybe not.

 

[manny78]

And you are a moderator?

I guess discussing the science behind PH and other non-declared real steroids and how they actually have been studied by the medical community is above the level of this board.

Oh well, how much clomid and ana do I need and how much more jackoff juice will it get me?

PH is crap. Otherwise, the whole BB community would be over this including top pros.But for some reasons gains/sides, no serious BB will take this. Most of us made the mistake but that was by pure ignorance.

But as I mentionned on another post, here the place to discuss these things. Have fun.

 

[PL_Beast]

4 years ago i was using Andro-Plex 700 by AST, it worked great i was gaining strength and size, eatting big, it was all fun and games till i decided that if 3 pills r giving me such good results let me try 5 and c what happens.
It worked great on my bench press till about 2 weeks later while working out on a dumbell decline with 65 in each hand , my hand gave out , which wouldnt be that bad if my strength had failed , but the bad part is that while looking at the weight going up it just decided to comeback down without warning, i couldnt even feel my arm give way, luckly it didnt smash my head,.
On the way home that day from the gym i started to think about what happend in the gym when out of the blue i got a severe headache, I MEAN SUCH A MIGRANE that i couldnt blink, or drive my car .....i started to tear out of my left eye , and i felt like i was going through a bad acid trip cuz all the cars on the highway looked like they were standing still , i mean like a damm picture, but i was going like 70 miles per hour..... so i decided to pull over cuz i couldnt tell if i was moving or not, waited 1 hour till me girlfriend picked me up and she took me home. It didnt end there nothin was helping me advil , tylenol nothin so i ended up in the ER where they tested me for all kinds of shit , and when they took my blood pressure it came to 182/145 it dosent take a doctor to figure out that i should of been dead with this blood pressure , they took it 3 times just to be certain ...lol...then they pumped me with sonmethin to get the pressure down ...as u can c im ok , and it worked out but i would deff stay with the recomended dose of it when u do decide to use it , but also expect acne on ur back and face.

 

[jeff.ben]

The real deal

Little gain's are better than sticking point's, so if PR.H's help you get through thats all that count's. I have used both P.H's and Steroid's, and sure steroid's give twice the gain's, but who give's a pony's ass, because when you stop juicing good by gain's hello joint problem's and mental fatigue. I found I recieved good pump's and my muscle's were never as sore as long or at all after a workout. And got decent strenght gain. But just to recover from a work twice as fast equal's faster gain's. And I'm not sure what kind of dosages guy's are gobblin back, and I don't know were all these side effects are coming from. But for me P.H's will do the trick.

You know the saying , USE will likely never hurt you. ABUSE will alway's lead to a person's downfall.

Cheer's.

 

[Animal]

HAHA!

This makes a legitmate argument!

'Otherwise, the whole BB community would be over this including top pros'

I'm sure the top pros tell you everything as does everybody else and besides, to discuss taking things orally which should be taken another way and comparing them is ludicrous. Tell us about oral vs inject test.

Nevertheless, it's apparent from the posts on this board that people do get results from the which is contrary from what you are trying to spew.

It's only good if it's illegal and don't worry cause they all will be soon!

 

[Dieselstud23]

Well personally I have taken d bol and primobolan before, I got decent gains, but I took 1ad wiith another transdermal s1+, holy shit!! I love this stuff my strength went up the roof, I gained lean weight, no water retentetion that you get from most AS I gained total of 13lbs lost 3 kept the rest and my strength still the same. You cant bash on pro hormones if yoiu havent taken the right ones, not all pro hormones work , you need to get the right one. Personally next time I'm taking trandermal 1test 3 bottles worth 6 weeks about $90. I have the hook up for the gear but the only thing I will take is probably take anavar the rest just gives water retentetion and your ass is sore for weeks!!. Another point how people think of the Juice, yeah you gain 20-30lbs on it, but how much of it is water??? you probably keep about 15lbs same as if yout take PH. So before talking do the research!!