what would you do if you were me

[tybz28-#2]

31 Years old 5'10 245lbs Body fat 18% About 5 cycles under my belt. Nothing crazy. test, tren,dbol. For the most part. After my first 3 or so cycles i was able to get my total testosterone back up in the 700 ng range. I also have taken t3 at 50mg for an extended period of time. My last cycle ended about 7 months ago. Did a standard PCT, as well as HCG while on cycle. Felt like dirt, so i did another round of PCT. Been a few months since then and i still felt like crap so i got some labs done.

TSH 3.03 .34-5.6 lower is better,PCP said i should be in the 1 range.

Estradiol 23 20-47

Testosterone Free 62.5 35-155

Testosterone Total 192 250-1100

 

[XMAN.]

describe ur last cycle plus ancillaries if included and ur two pct's in detail and timing first, then we can talk.

 

[tybz28-#2]

Last cycle was:

TEST E: 600mg wk 1-12
Dbol 40 mg wk. 1-4

Letro as needed.

Hcg 250iu 2x wk. 6-12


First pct

Torimefene: 60mg ed wk 13-16

Second pct

Clomid

D1-300mg

D2-D6. 150mg

D7-D14. 100mg

D15-D21. 50mg


Sorry for the sloppiness, typed this out on my phone.

 

[tybz28-#2]

Actually doesn't look bad.

 

[tybz28-#2]

Do you think seeing an Endo is my best bet? What will they do for me since my values are out of whack? Should i self medicate? Run hcg,and clomid and get retested in say a month?

 

[XMAN.]

i think u can still recover and boost ur natty T level without taking the hrt route and it's still early to talk about self medicating, if at the end everything fails then an endo is a must to go to, but first thing first, i say u need a solid and long and proven protocol to recover and it's not about high dosing serms and AI's it's about enough time and some other supps that can help.

ok let's start with this :
clomid 25mg (half tab) eod
Letrozol 1.25mg (half tab) eod / or e3d in case ur having intolerable low estro symptoms.
D-Aspartic acid (modified amino L-Aspartic acid) 3 grams per day (b4 bed)
u may add ZMA to the mix too.

stay like this for three months at least and retest again, even if the results r not that convincing keep doing it for another 3 months for a total of 6 months and again retest.

If it don't work then we can discuss hrt protocols but of course with ur endo's supervision.

keep us updated,
good luck.

 

[tybz28-#2]

Damn man that seems like a very low dose of clomid and high dosing of letro considering I'm not on any test and my estrogen is within range. And why no hcg? Thanks for the advice.

 

[XMAN.]

Damn man that seems like a very low dose of clomid and high dosing of letro considering I'm not on any test and my estrogen is within range. And why no hcg? Thanks for the advice.

It's not abou high dosing clomid but it's about giving ur body the time to recover with the least sides, taking a low dose of clomid in an exrended period of time is far better than taking a high dose in a short period and that's what most fertility docs do these days. About letro it all dependa on the individual u may start witha lower dose i agree with that, like half tab every 4th or 5th day and increase the frequency if there were no sides to the 3rd for egg.
I don't recomend hcg as it is an analogue to lh and it'll supress ur endogenous ones, i'm counting on clomid and letro to produce ur endo lh and fsh. In worst cases if u have receptors downgraded and wanna force them to respond u may later after this protocol do periodic hcg but not now.

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