What would be good to supplement with test?

[rjx]

If everything goes according to my plan, I will start my first ever steroid cycle in March or April.

I decided that I am going to take only Testosterone cypionate and I thought that I would also take Nutrex Vitargo-CGL (creatine) and milk thistle. Do any of you have any other recommendations that would be good to use with test that would help aid my gains?

Thanks!

 

[ruffian3]

lots of protein!

 

[rjx]

By the time I get off my diet, I will probably weigh in at around 200-210. But I will be eating at least 300g of protein

 

[TheRide]

I will be eating at least 300g of protein

Gas-X!!!!

 

[The Terminator]

lots of protein!

Yep

 

[Judo Tom]

ala
milk thistle
vit c
zinc
creatine
glutamine

make sure you have an anti E around

 

[Little Rage]

add to the list:
multi-vitamin
flax seed oil

 

[madmatt]

More Test!

 

[Judo Tom]

anyone have opinions of stacking test with methylated 5AA???

 

[Little Rage]

5aa u mean.., 5-alpha-androstanediol, the prohormone???

 

[Little Rage]

or methylated form ... dbol?

 

[Vectork39]

my bad i forgot we were talking about eca

 

[rjx]

I thought of another one ...something for joint support.

So creatine would be the only big gaining supplement to take?

 

[gator_mclusky]

Most supplements are ripoffs.

Juice
protein
creatine
GLA(evening primrose oil)Liver protection....dirt cheap and works.
Vitamins

This works for sure.

Gator

 

[manny78]

Saw palmetto.

 

[Judo Tom]

or methylated form ... dbol?

the methylated form if being compared to masteron

supposed to yield great strength gains and help keep estrogen down..

 

[Judo Tom]

bump to see if anyone has tried this or has some ideas

 

[SpeedFreak5]

Tom, your talking about Dbol right.

If so, on my next real cycle I want to do about 30mgs of Dbol 30 min before the gym and 200mg of cyp. And then I'm thinking of throwing in some EQ

 

[DJ_UFO]

A supplement that you never have to stop using it.: Tons of water. At least a gallon every day.

 

[Little Rage]

Judo Tom:
Methylated form is actually dbol, not masteron.

SpeedFreak5:
Its a great combo but split the doses through the day every 4 hours

 

[Judo Tom]

little rage i though 1,4ad was dbol and m5aa was a bit different..

i read about this on anabolicminds..

forget the name of the company but a while ago they released a prohormone that converts to eq something like 1,4 andro it was called and now another company has released that prohormone in a methylated version which would convert to dbol.. thats cool i guess for them.. but i am more curious about the m5aa which is something like 5alpha androtestosterone.. definately not exact ill try to post it later...

ill posts some things from another board in a bit.. sorry working now...

THanks!

 

[Little Rage]

5-AA (5-alpha-androstanediol)

Target Hormone: 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
Molecular name of target hormone: 5-alpha-androstene-3-one,17b-ol
Target conversion: low, needs to undergo 5,4-isomerase prior to conversion, and only a small percentafe survives the liver. Estimated 0.15%.
Conversion enzyme: 3-ß-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD)
DHT conversion: Very High, converts directly to DHT
Estrogenic effects: None whatsoever

Often 5-AA has been called a precursor to the hormone Masteron (Dromostanolone), a fact that has been happily exploited by one manufacturer that used a similar name and is guilty of setting a bad example by naming his product after a steroid. In effect, Masteron has an extra 2-alpha methyl group. 5AA does not. Masteron is also known as 2-alpha-methyl DHT, or DHT with an extra 2-alpha-methyl group. 5-AA really a precursor to DHT. 5AA is actually a prohormone naturally produced in the body as a response to low levels of DHT. Using the 3HSD enzyme it is capable of restoring androgenic capacity if it is hindered.






1,4-andro (1,4-androstadienedione)

Target Hormone: Boldenone (1-dihydrotestosterone)
Molecular name of target hormone: 1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-ol
Target conversion: moderate to high, estimated just over 10 %
Conversion enzyme: 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (17HSD)
DHT conversion: some conversion
Estrogenic effects: aromatisation of the prohormone

Definitely more promising than the 5-AA. I found it has great resemblance to the 1AD in the fact that it has no estrogen aromatisation possibility, assures almost all gains as dry weight and the double bond at the one position which ensures greater oral activity without extra liver toxicity. However, Not here, nor on the 5AA by the way, was there any kind of study attached showing the efficacy of either product. It is touted as a precursor to boldenone, another popular steroid and pre-contest hardening agent. In this case there is more truth in it. Only that boldenone has a hydrogen and oxygen bonded and the 1,4-andro has a double bonded oxygen atom. Boldenone becomes methandrostenolone in its methylated form, also known as Dianabol, possibly the most popular oral steroid in the world, ever

 

[Judo Tom]

yeah my names were a bit off to say the least...

what im wondering is if i could use the m5-aa in a test cycle to keep bloat and estrogen sides down (note i am not really sensitive to GYNO at all even at 800mg of test) and if it would be anywhere comparable to masteron.

it is a new compound so i will most likely wait to see what the effects and side effects are like..

but it is really really cheap which is a nice little bonus..

Thanks for all the help little rage!!!!