What is the best martial art to take strictly too

[Undertow503]

Boxing! if you can knock out a man with 1 left hook why would the fight need to go to the ground?

Kung Fu!

http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?video=Ninja-Fight

{warning some bad language in the clip, but that guy got what was coming to him)

Funny how after that guy breaks out in his Kung Fu stance, the Mexican didn't want nothing to do with it.

 

[Yarg!]

that video is awesome. that other guy had great timing. dont know if those were wild swings on his part or actual kung fu punches.. perhaps someone with kung fu experience can tell me. i love it when morons pick fights with martial artists , and then get their asses worked *wink *wink. this just confirms my belief that unless youre a torso and a head, everyone and i mean everyone should take a form of martial arts in their life- spiritual/competition or just self defense.. there is simply no downside (unless its a mc dojo ofcourse).

 

[Yarg!]

btw, why is the kung fu stance so open faced? should your hands be at your face the whole time (ie boxing, kick boxing?) isnt it kinda dangerous? just curious.

 

[Undertow503]

btw, why is the kung fu stance so open faced? should your hands be at your face the whole time (ie boxing, kick boxing?) isnt it kinda dangerous? just curious.

It looks like he was into either Choy Li Fut or Hung gar or any of the southern chinese style, judging from his "stylish" opening stance, which actually intimidated the other guy, who up to that point was pretty confident and cocky.
The out-stretched left hand and low stance of the kung fu guy gave no way in for him and since the other guy started it, he had no choice but to make the first move, while the kung fu guy just had to wait for an opening and when he found it, he dropped him with an index knuckle strike, favoured by Choy Li Fut. I particularly liked his consistently chambering his striking hand, which to untrained people can be quite distracting.

 

[casualbb]

good swing... but what a bullshit stance. complete lack of mobility, susceptible to sweeps... ug.

he dropped him with an index knuckle strike, favoured by Choy Li Fut.

... you mean a wild hook punch?

 

[Djimbe]

... you mean a wild hook punch?

Actually , that Punch was anything BUT wild , but the mechanics behind it are VASTLY different than that of a Hook punch , man .

Actually , mock me though you probably will , the movement and energy when that move is Executed properly is LOT more like "The Wave" from Pop-Locking/BreakDancing than anything you would find in Wesatern Boxing . Its actually CRUSHINGLY Effective as you can see when it lands , but it takes a coule of years to really master the movement style . Its like holding a Hose in your hand and then WHIPPING it up and down , the wave of Force travels down its Length , but in this case EVERY Muscle in your Body adds to the Wave of Force , and theres a Hammer/Wrecking Ball at the end (your Fist) . The true difficulty is in getting the body to RELAX when its supposed to and in the correct sequence . THAT is the secret of Forms training that western Stylists tend not to get . Relaxing yourself into the correct motions/rut

Interestingly enough ...

The guy was a Wushu stylist that seemed to know VERY little about the actual San Shou portion of the Wushu Curriculum ! While he knew his forms VERY well , he had VERY little clue WHAT the individual MOVES in his forms were FOR ! He seemed to know "This Is Fotwork , So Ill Move Thusly ..." and "This Is For Striking ..." and so on , but not what Strikes to use with which stances , and which stances were for Mobility , wich were for Transition , wich were for Stability ... He seemed to just know the Forms really well , because the postures THEMSELVES were well executed - as was the Punch .

What furthurs this assessment was his Innacuacy with the Strike - he simply was unused to a moving Target . He had a Big Gun , hed just never had to shoot it at anything before !

 

[casualbb]

Actually , that Punch was anything BUT wild , but the mechanics behind it are VASTLY different than that of a Hook punch , man .

Actually , mock me though you probably will , the movement and energy when that move is Executed properly is LOT more like "The Wave" from Pop-Locking/BreakDancing than anything you would find in Wesatern Boxing . Its actually CRUSHINGLY Effective as you can see when it lands , but it takes a coule of years to really master the movement style . Its like holding a Hose in your hand and then WHIPPING it up and down , the wave of Force travels down its Length , but in this case EVERY Muscle in your Body adds to the Wave of Force , and theres a Hammer/Wrecking Ball at the end (your Fist) . The true difficulty is in getting the body to RELAX when its supposed to and in the correct sequence . THAT is the secret of Forms training that western Stylists tend not to get . Relaxing yourself into the correct motions/rut

Interestingly enough ...

systema does whip-like punches, so i know them when i see them

I just rewatched the clip. you're seeing what you want to see. in the moment leading up to the KO punch, the dude is all over the place... nowhere do i see any sort of precision, just a barrage of strikes

i'm not knocking the dude, hell he won. but fancy kung fu something or other? you mean hook to the face.

 

[Djimbe]

systema does whip-like punches, so i know them when i see them

I dont personally think that the ons from systema look a lot like the ones rom Nanchuan , so I felt that the point must be made .

I just rewatched the clip. you're seeing what you want to see.

Actually so did I - about 20+ times in a row from the point where the kid in Red threw the first Backfist . My analysis is clear enough , and Im seeing whats in front of me jus fine . I LIKE to make fun of Idiots , and I would be the first guy pission on the kid if I thought there was a reason to - as it IS , I pis on his Instructors .

in the moment leading up to the KO punch, the dude is all over the place... nowhere do i see any sort of precision, just a barrage of strikes

Actually he IS "all over the place" but the question is WHY is he "all over the place" - or rather "In What WAY ?" The fact of the matter is that he actually throws - or attempts to throw the exact same technique in the EXACT same way three times in a row - right down to the fact that EACH TIME he starts the strike by digging in with his Right foot behind him , and lengthens through the same sie using his right as his Power hand . Thats NOT how the Mechanics of a Hook punch WORK and it never will be .

The fact is that the ANSWER to "The Question" is that hes never hit Focus Mitts , or Thai Pads , or Sparred against a Resisting opponent before . His Execution of the MOVEMENTS INVOLVED with the STIKE ITSELF are as Mechanically Repetitive as one could hope to expect under the circumstances when he has an opponent Didging , blocking , and taking his space like in the video . The guy thre the SAME strike THREE TIMES like a robot , THAT was his problem , the guy had NO experience against a Resisting Opponent , THAT was his problem , The guy had never hit a Moving Target , THAT was his problem , the guy had no CLUE about Footwork , Spacing , or Timing - THOSE were his problems . - NOT that he didnt know how to Execute the Mechanics of the strike itself .

i'm not knocking the dude, hell he won. but fancy kung fu something or other? you mean hook to the face.

Just beause the Strike was a kind that is Thrown in "kung Fu" dosent particulary make it "Fancy" in MY eyes , I see them all the time , so to me theyre Commonplace . It just WASNT a HOOK . It wasnt a Roundhouse Kick a Rice Bail Throw or a Wheel Kick either .

I just think that the Clip itself Illustrates well what can happn if all you do is Forms Training . You get good at Moves/techniques , but you have no Idea what to do with them . In this manner they become Robotic , Meaningless - even "Dead" things . Even STILL , however , JUST having the Proper Mechanics (form) ALONE can give one a KNOCKOUT weapon - ANY of those Missed strikes would have knocked the other boy just as silly - but h lacked the Battle-Preparedness to strike with any accuracy and skill .

 

[Djimbe]

Now that I think about it it ALSO Illustrates how even a LITTLE bit of MA training will do WELL against someone that knows NOTHING !

I mean , MOST ppl just DONT know how to fight !

I think that as big a newbie as that kid was he pretty much proves that you dont have to be a freaking Gracie to defend yourself in a Streetfight , and that "Kung Fu" DOES work !

 

[kyannosai]

Being a karate practitioner for 24 years and a Jujitsu practitioner for 15 years I would lean towards a combination of the two. Perhaps even Hapkido. Another very effective and practical art is Bando (Burmese kickboxing). Also called Thaing. Karate is only impractical if you have a closed mind and do not crosstrain in several styles as well as other martial arts. Also at the base level karate looks very ineffective. At the very advanced levels it is quite effective. You have to be creative in your training and keep an open mind. Thats my opinion. I think all arts,systems,styles. have value.

Enhance your fighting abilities? Like how actual street fights occur and the best martial art to take to learn how to fight, which will 99% of the time end on the ground in a wrestling match.

A buddy wants to take karate which is pretty lame in my opinion, waste of time when it comes down to it. I told him to take something like judo or Jiu-jitsu because of the grappling, what do you think?