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What cycle should I go with?

Peter2008

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Ok, my first thread here.
I am 48, 172cm and I started 3years ago to train (4-5 times a week) and to build up from 62Kg and got to 71 Kg.
I threw during this time 2 short Anavar only cycles with 50mg/ED for 3-4 weeks in. During the cycles I had a good strength gain, but muscle gain was a little bit on the low side even with a lot of food intake.
Then, end of last year I tried a 4 week Oxydrolone (Alpha Pharma) only cycle (60mg/ED). This put me up to around 77 Kg. However, after finishing the cycle, the gains were lost quite fast due to high water retention and now I am back to around 72 Kg with around 12% BF. Nearly the same as before. So, this was also not the right way to go.
My question is now, what would be a good cycle to gain around 5-7 Kg lean muscle mass without loosing it (too fast).
And I read a lot. However, quite strangely, for all good suggestions for cycles, there are every time some people who say, NO, it is not a good cycle. I couldn't find one thread, where someone said, this and this cycle is a good thing to do and everybody agreed.
I know, everyone is different, but is there any cycle suggestion out there which can put me in the right direction?
Regarding toxicity, I didn't had any side effects with these two orals and a liver check after the last cycle showed no problems for me at all. Also, sex drive wasn't an issue for me.
I also know, that orals are not so effective as injectibles. So I am open to everything.
Important for me is a solid cycle for lean muscle gains.
Thanks in advance for all your suggestions.
 
First problem is your running your oral only cycles with no test base.Dbol is all water,you are going to lose almost everything with no test base in there.
 
First problem is your running your oral only cycles with no test base.Dbol is all water,you are going to lose almost everything with no test base in there.

Totally agree.. You need test IMO. I also would stack alot of other items
 
What did you do for PCT? That could be another reason why you lost so much as well. Without proper recovery, your gains will be gone

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this cycle i am providing for you is all you need bro... your diet, training and strong pct protocol along with bridging properly in between cycles will determine what you ultimately keep and lose but your going about things all wrong as is... read my articles on sarms at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

here is the cycle to run and the links on where to get everything you need...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week

1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!

1-14 proviron 50 mg day

1-6 tbol 60 mg day

1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

1-12 n2guard n2bm.com

5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com

13-14 hcgenerate es Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding



PCT 15-18



clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com

aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com

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n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
 
Thanks for all replies who hadn't anything to do with advertising... ;-)
Regarding ordering the mentioned things... I am located in Thailand, so it is very difficult to avoid hussle at customs when getting something delivered. However, I am can get here easily Alpha Pharma.
SARMS? No, I really don't want to go the too expensive supplement way anymore. And that's all they are.
Shrinel, could be more specific what would be a good cycle then. Thanks.
 
First problem is your running your oral only cycles with no test base.Dbol is all water,you are going to lose almost everything with no test base in there.

agreed on this. Always use a test base. Other than that the reason you wont find any thread where 100% agree on one cycle is because it's preference. most steroids do basically the same thing at different levels with slightly different effects thrown in here and there. There's no cycle that will leave you with more gains at the end than another truly. Keeping your gains is about getting the right PCT and you can find an optimal one here on Evo with no bases skipped.
 
Hi Jack Steel,
I don't use Dbol... I would use Anavar or Anadrol (Oxydrolone). What test should I supplement with one of these orals and how are the time frames and dosages?
Regarding loosing of muscle after cycle. This didn't happened with Anavar. Solid gains of lean muscle which didn't disappear. Just Anadrol was quite a disappointment. But maybe that was due to no PCT. Thought it wouldn't be needed after such a short cycle.
 
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