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What bodybuilder had the BEST GENETICS?

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What bodybuilder had the best genetics?

  • Arnold Schwartznegger

    Votes: 568 42.3%

  • Flex Wheeler

    Votes: 270 20.1%

  • Danny Padillo

    Votes: 10 0.7%

  • Dorian Yates

    Votes: 58 4.3%

  • Frank Zane

    Votes: 59 4.4%

  • Mike Mentzer

    Votes: 23 1.7%

  • Dorian Yates

    Votes: 48 3.6%

  • Ronnie Coleman

    Votes: 189 14.1%

  • Lee haney

    Votes: 28 2.1%

  • some other guy... Please name him!

    Votes: 84 6.3%
  • Total voters
    1,342
WRT Parks: 19" waist and 20" arms?

That is patently absurd. It's impossible
for a 143 lber. to carry a 20" arm. Hell,
I've never seen anyone under 200 lbs.
even come CLOSE.

As for the 19" waist, get real man...it's
insulting that you'd even *mention* that,
no matter how gullible the average netizen
might be. 19" is smaller than a 90 lb. Playmate's
waist wearing a fucking CORSET!

Am I the only person utterly SICK of hearing
all these cheesy lies about arm and waist sizes?
It's the biggest crock of shit running in the
iron game today after synthol. Even Greg Kovac's
styrofoam plates aren't quite as insulting...

As for the best genetics, Sergio, by far. No other
man is as complete. Flex is the "prettiest," but
he's narrow, doesn't have real calves, and has no
lat width to speak of either. Arnold was awesome,
but his triceps were significantly behind his bis.
His rear delts were nonexistent when he lost
a little size, and his lat spread has maybe half
the impact Yates' did.

Ronnie? Big ass stomach when he carries nearly
enough size to threaten guys like Yates. Paul
Dillett? Psh. I've seen better backs on local middleweights
(but NOT bantams, as some are too eager to claim <rolls
eyes>). Count both out.

Dexter Jackson is Mr. Flat. He's a superior bodybuilder
but doesn't have near enough thickness to whip the
best builders of all time.
 
dont forget were talking different "time frames" here..

So Arnold could be bigger per say, if he was to train in the late 80's on through to the mid 90's and on.


BTW: Arnold 1#
 
Dial_tone said:
Paul Dillett has the best frame ever. I'm amazed how little he's achieved in the pro ranks.
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If Big Paul had a back more like yours, he might've done just that :)

Actually Paul did okay in the IFBB...he did win the NOC, maybe 3 or 4 (?) Grand Prix shows, and made some strong placings in the Olympia (especially in '96, IIRC, when he should've been higher). Like I said, his terribly weak back always kept him from the tip-top.

Most people who've watched him train say that he lifts like a wimp. You can even see this in the Weider magazines...where a guy who improved a lot, like Chris Cormier, was curling 85s for reps, Paul would make some excuse about being near contest shape and go for a 40 or 45.

If you want to improve, even with his genes, you gotta grab that heavy iron. He could've been Mr. Olympia if he squatted and deadlifted the way Ronnie Coleman did, never being satisfied with the weight he had on the bar.
 
No Shit, YDM!!

youngdeltman said:
How about Serge Nubret?
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Who can deny Serge and Lou? Even today Lou is a BEAST. Remember Louie is Big and tall, and well proportioned to be that big. He is MUCH of a man. Even as he grows old. Oh and don't forget about Zane. Awesome physique.
 
i dont understand why everyone is always on arnold's d!ck. why do people like his chest? it was just BIG but it looked like sh!t.
his genetics werent that good. sure he was huge for his age as a teen but look at him fully developed, see what CoolColJ said.

id say serge nubret could be but ive never ever seen his back it could suck but his chest & abs are crazy.

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/sergenubret10.jpg

its a tie between lee priest and wheeler. lee has a genetic hormone imbalance enabling him too build so much muscle yet at the same time it sealed off his growth plates.
 
shwaym said:
i dont understand why everyone is always on arnold's d!ck. why do people like his chest? it was just BIG but it looked like sh!t.
his genetics werent that good. sure he was huge for his age as a teen but look at him fully developed, see what CoolColJ said.
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Uhh...

Just how did his chest "look like shit"?

It looked pretty fucking incredible to me. You say it's big, so what's it lacking? What makes it look bad?

Detail?

BZZZZZZZT. Nope. He had some of the most shredded pecs we've seen to date.

Shape? Looked great to me. His pecs sat up on that big rib cage; you could lose a hand grenade between them, too.

What does that leave?

The ONLY guys with roughly equal pecs, IMO, would be Markus Ruhl, Bertil Fox at his very best, and maybe Lee Haney. A no. of other pros today have great chests--Coleman, Levrone for the side chest--but to say Arnold's looked like shit...*shakes head*. I don't get it. By most experienced eyes, Arnold's pecs still rank at the very top.


id say serge nubret could be but ive never ever seen his back it could suck but his chest & abs are crazy.

http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/hercules/sergenubret10.jpg

its a tie between lee priest and wheeler. lee has a genetic hormone imbalance enabling him too build so much muscle yet at the same time it sealed off his growth plates. [/B][/QUOTE]
 
I think the modern bodybuilders look like shitt, most because of the hg's, synth and stuff. It is a major drawback for the spart IMHO. Why I voted for Arnold? Cause of how he looked when he was Mr. Olympia. Thats what I view as the perfect body. And he only got that body with his genestics and some drug. All pros today (atleast a lot of them) get resoults by training and drugging. So did Arnold. And Arnold is the one I think was the most beatuiful.

As for his chest, I love it. It goes far outside to his shoulders and I think thats nice. Look at this pic
Image: http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tiscali/mrolympia/m628.jpg
 
I can't believe Sergio Oliva didn't show. Sure everybody know Arnold is and always will be the greatest. But genetics....Sergio hands down.
 
Flex Wheeler. He really did deserve to win one Mr. O. Then Dexter Jackson Physically Arnold had great but not the greatest genetic but he did/does have the greatest mind.
 
Just for the record they all have unbelievable genetics , not just good genetics .Every guy I met with major contest winning genetics( Mr canada and up to Olympia , met Arnold , sergio and saw Lou ferrigno in original golds in santa Monica and sister-in-law was a pro judge in cali , she also won Orange county national qualifier and my brother barely lost to Mr. california in same contest ) twenty years of training . My favorite body builder is Rory Liedlelmeyer. Unbelieveable Poser and carried himself like a champ , he lost to Bob paris in the NPC Championships in San Jose a 20 years ago greatest posing I ever saw.
 
Personally, it's a close, three-way tie: Flex, Arnold, Sergio.
 
My pick is Arnie but it seems like everyone has left out big old Markus Ruhl! The guy is an absolute BEAST!! 5'11" @ 286 comp weight. Amazing considering he was a 120 pound soccer player when he started. :chomp:
 
Arnold no doubt.

You take him back in his hayday and add the amounts of juice and gh and slin to him god only knows what he would look like.
 
Damnit everyone quit sucking arnolds dick already. If you were to put his ass on the stage right now along with other pros, he'll look like a fuckin pussy. Sure he had big upper body, but he never had good genetics for his little tiny ass legs. He could never make them grow. So I'd say he didnt have the best genetics.
 
yomama said:
Damnit everyone quit sucking arnolds dick already. If you were to put his ass on the stage right now along with other pros, he'll look like a fuckin pussy. Sure he had big upper body, but he never had good genetics for his little tiny ass legs. He could never make them grow. So I'd say he didnt have the best genetics.
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Alot has changed in the last 30 years as far as training, nutrition and drugs. You take any of the top pros today and make them go back to the 70's with the knowlegd of that time frame. Big difference.

Your comparing is just like comparing the swimming world records now compared to the 70's. Huge difference.
 
chipvideo said:
Alot has changed in the last 30 years as far as training, nutrition and drugs. You take any of the top pros today and make them go back to the 70's with the knowlegd of that time frame. Big difference.

Your comparing is just like comparing the swimming world records now compared to the 70's. Huge difference.
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Dude, I'm saying that Arnold didnt have good genetics, at least not for his legs. Thats why whatever he did, he couldnt make them grow. And thats not because he didnt have his protein powder or the machines we have now.
 
Flex Wheeler

In his prime, he looked incredible...in spite of being somewhat lazy in the gym and lax in his dieting by most accounts. That he could look the way he did in spite of his poor work ethic means we can chalk up his physique to genetics moreso than most bodybuilders, thus the reason he gets my vote.
 
arnold schwarzenegger had the best genetics hand down. if you dont believe me, go pick up an old copy of education of a bodybuilder and behold the most awesome frigging bicep shot in the history of civilization (why in the hell did they get rid of that cover?). todays bodybuilders look like fat pigs thanks to gh and all the other shit theyre taking. dont get me wrong..drugs are fine, but looking like you have a ripped beer gut is a load of shit. arnold rules!
 
I'd say it's a tie between Arnold and Steve Reeves from back in teh 50's. Looking at their younger photos, they look a lot alike. Arnold may have been bigger later on but he was also juiced.
 
Shawn Ray, no one even comes close to his vasularity. the way his veins look perfectly neat to and from with each other

And of course Flex and Arnold.....Imagine arnold in his prime with todays drugs added like GH and IGF1..

From a cultural point of view it seems blacks and europeans(espesially germans) have better developed genes in the genetic heritage...
 
this isn't even a tough decision, Flex Wheeler by far. He may not have been the biggest but he looked the best
 
Mike Mentzer only had to do 1 set per bodypart in order to grow - I rest my case. Tom Platz def had the best lower body genetics.

I don't think Dorian had very good genetics, but he overcame that through will and determination.

- and growth hormone!
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I can't beleive no one on here mentioned albert Beckles.... best genetics. the guy was near sixty and still competed in the olympia. Maybe there are too many young guys on here and just don't know or remember him. I do.
Arnold was the best competitor...but Albert Beckles had the best genetics.
 
From the list, Arnie. Contemporary, Serge Nubret. But looking at today's young guys, Stan McQuai or Rob Sager.
 
I thk Kevin Levrone is someone with very good genetics. Goes from absolutedly shit to very good in no time. Must react very well to anabolics. Never developed a Gh belly though.

I thk Flex used a lot of synthol or implants, but they did a good job an he looks good. But he and Dexter miss the real thickness/sheer size.
 
THE PROTOTYPE2000 said:
I can't believe you guys forgot, SERGIO!!! It's either a toss up between him and Flex. All depends on what you like. Can you belive he built a physique like that using small amounts of Deca and Dbol? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!-THE PROTOTYPE
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You got my vote...
 
been in the game 11 years to me dexter jackson is the most complete body builder i have ever seen also i know him personaly from the nationals great guy
 
well if you really think about it ,and the drugs that these guys have today ,and u look at the guyz in the 70,s doing dbol and winny and some deka ,arnold takes it ,if he were 19 years old today ,it wouldnt even be funny ,he was 240 at 18 years old ,and the guyz today look like freaks to big to bloated.arnold and franco were awsome,man you guyz need to look at some old pic,s,even there protine powder was crappy ,i say arnold :)
 
Steve Reeves.

Do a Google and take a look.

No gear. Lots of natural foods and no sugar and white flour.

Full body workout M/W/F using 12, 10, 8 reps, 3 exercises per body part. (20 reps on calves, neck and abs.) Light aerobics.

6' 1"
215
Neck, arms and calves 18 1/4
Chest 51
Waist 29
Thighs 27

Mr. America
Mr. World
Mr. Universe
 
Arnold all the way. He wasn't as big as some of today's pro's, he competed at about 235lbs which is small in modern bb. He could beat bigger opponents with asthetic's and size, compared to size alone which most bb rely on now. I wish bb wasn't ALL about size like it is now.
 
sergio'THE MYTH'oliva
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I think sergio had amazing genetics, i think demayo had amazing genetics, i think lee priest, ronnie, yates have insanly amazing genes. but arnold did not have great genes. he had just a little above the avarage genes,,,,,thats it. let me ask you arnold lovers this: What was so special about arnold? Chest, Arms uhhhhh thats it. maybe calves. so i guess muscularly theres nothing special about him. ohh ok but he looked good. an he was asthetically pleasing. Now isnt there a name for guys that look good and only have chest and arms......aahhh yes:PRETTY BOYS. thats all arnold was a big pretty boy. thats it. Sergio made arnold look like a child. you guys arnt even considering arnolds body when we talk about him all you consider is the name. because if arnold was to show up today, he'd get laughed at. the man had no shoulders, no thighs, no back, no traps. Looks good, sure. but the best genetics, HELL NO.
 
LT3 said:
I think sergio had amazing genetics, i think demayo had amazing genetics, i think lee priest, ronnie, yates have insanly amazing genes. but arnold did not have great genes. he had just a little above the avarage genes,,,,,thats it. let me ask you arnold lovers this: What was so special about arnold? Chest, Arms uhhhhh thats it. maybe calves. so i guess muscularly theres nothing special about him. ohh ok but he looked good. an he was asthetically pleasing. Now isnt there a name for guys that look good and only have chest and arms......aahhh yes:PRETTY BOYS. thats all arnold was a big pretty boy. thats it. Sergio made arnold look like a child. you guys arnt even considering arnolds body when we talk about him all you consider is the name. because if arnold was to show up today, he'd get laughed at. the man had no shoulders, no thighs, no back, no traps. Looks good, sure. but the best genetics, HELL NO.
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Isn't that what bb is really about, looking good? Many of these modern bb's don't look good. They have too much mass and some of them aren't proportional ie Lee Preist. BB is about muscle but also looking good, now it has become just about muscle. How can you say Arnold had only a little above average genetics? You would be hard pressed to find a guy that could build that physique.
 
Isn't that what bb is really about, looking good? Many of these modern bb's don't look good. They have too much mass and some of them aren't proportional ie Lee Preist. BB is about muscle but also looking good, now it has become just about muscle. How can you say Arnold had only a little above average genetics? You would be hard pressed to find a guy that could build that physique.
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No, bodybuilding is about being as freaky and awsome as possible. Think about it, modern bodybuilding---Ronnie, ruhl, gunter, cutler...freaks. bodybuilding in arnolds time---they too were considered freaks, not to todays standards but with their standards they were the freaks back then. Before arnolds time---all the "bbrs" often participated in side shows, and circus' and things of that nature---freaks. Even in pumping iron, you see columbu blowing up one of those hot water bags.----freak. he was doing it for spectacle. if bbing was about looking good and pretty, why isnt brad pitt the current mr.o? hmmm i know why, coz thats NOT what bbing is about. To me lee priest looks great. and bbing in its nature is NOT about proportion. because its a sport which requires you to break your genetic limit, once you do that you are not proportionate. And how would i be hard pressed to find a guy that could build a physique like arnolds? what chest and arms? theres about 20 guys that go to my gym that look like that. same size as arnold? no but they have the genetic potential to get to where he was. thats why i say arnold has little above the avarage genes. now you tell me if you can find a ruhl, a ronnie, a sergio
 
LT3 said:
No, bodybuilding is about being as freaky and awsome as possible. Think about it, modern bodybuilding---Ronnie, ruhl, gunter, cutler...freaks. bodybuilding in arnolds time---they too were considered freaks, not to todays standards but with their standards they were the freaks back then. Before arnolds time---all the "bbrs" often participated in side shows, and circus' and things of that nature---freaks. Even in pumping iron, you see columbu blowing up one of those hot water bags.----freak. he was doing it for spectacle. if bbing was about looking good and pretty, why isnt brad pitt the current mr.o? hmmm i know why, coz thats NOT what bbing is about. To me lee priest looks great. and bbing in its nature is NOT about proportion. because its a sport which requires you to break your genetic limit, once you do that you are not proportionate. And how would i be hard pressed to find a guy that could build a physique like arnolds? what chest and arms? theres about 20 guys that go to my gym that look like that. same size as arnold? no but they have the genetic potential to get to where he was. thats why i say arnold has little above the avarage genes. now you tell me if you can find a ruhl, a ronnie, a sergio
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No, freakish physiques is what it has become, not what is began as. Bodybuilding is about creating the ideal physique and few outside the hardcore pro bb circuit believe that excessively huge guys look good. Some of the pro bb don't even like looking the way they do but understand it is neccessary to win now days. Blowing up the hot water bags is for show, just like everything else in bb. It doesn't make them a freak to do that, it just demonstrates powerful lungs. And unless you are training at Venice beach there are not 20 guys that look like Arnold. I bet not even one. There may be some that have similiaar size but not the overall physique or they would be pro's. If Arnold was still competing today I bet he would take some shows over these freaks. As far a Pitt goes, I bet if he entered a natural comp at a lower than state level, he would place. Regardless, a guy that looks like Pitt or Arnold would get more ass than Ronnie or any of those guys and sex appeal is a huge part of bb for many people. If you feel those extreme of muscles are neccassary you have compensation issues for something.
 
Bro, u cant be serious about arnold being a pro today. thats ridiculous. secondly bbing is about being a freak. and if you thing that bbing is about sex appeal then you got some misconseptions. but i dont want to make this a personal arguement since i dont know u and u dont know me. bottom line is arnold had a little over the avarage genetics. :)
 
LT3 said:
Bro, u cant be serious about arnold being a pro today. thats ridiculous. secondly bbing is about being a freak. and if you thing that bbing is about sex appeal then you got some misconseptions. but i dont want to make this a personal arguement since i dont know u and u dont know me. bottom line is arnold had a little over the avarage genetics. :)
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I'm not saying he would place first nowdays, but I think he would have a shot at placing with his mixture of size, proportions, symetry, and that his muscle looks good as opposed to the muscle of many modern pro's. I just think bb should go back to being truly judged on all of those factors compared to just size as it is now. Virtually all bb's begin for either sex appeal or sports and the ones that start for sports, their closely resemble powerlifting than bb. Usually the few and dedicated transfer into bb after they become addicted to the weights. I understand that I am a minority in the sport regarding my views as to what it is but everyone to their own and I don't want to make this a personal argument either. Everyone has their own opinions.
 
Ok bro, i can respect that. every one has their own opinion and if you like the classic bbing better than modern thats kool.
 
How in the hell can somebody think Arnold had the best genetics?? where were his bodybuilding legs? his back definitely didt match his chest and arms! and where were his trapz? bodybuilding is about symmertry, mass, and condition, and there sertlaintly were better genetics those days, not to mention these days.
I would think Dexter Jackson has the best genetics for bodybuilding these days.
 
Mikey25 said:
How in the hell can somebody think Arnold had the best genetics?? where were his bodybuilding legs? his back definitely didt match his chest and arms! and where were his trapz? bodybuilding is about symmertry, mass, and condition, and there sertlaintly were better genetics those days, not to mention these days.
I would think Dexter Jackson has the best genetics for bodybuilding these days.
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???? If you can't see his Arnolds traps I would recommend getting some glasses. How big do they need to be? All of the things you said bb was about Arnold had, clearly, or he would not have won comps and would not be recognized as one of the greatest of all time, not to mention standing at 6'2" his size is very impressive. And for legs, he has some of the best of all times.
 
Arnold had the Best Genetics by far... Flex is a close second.

Bodybuilding should be about muscle and aesthetics. Packing on the most muscle, while maintaining the sleek lines of a Greek God. Arnold exemplified this the best.

Today's bodybuilders look like the beasts that the Greek God's had to vanquish. Ronnie Coleman has one of the most aesthetically unappealing physiques to ever grace a stage. As this trend toward grotesque mass has continued, so has the shrinking popularity of the sport. Until bodybuilding tries to promote beautiful bodies with mass... rather than mass with no class.... it will continue to lose favor in th public eye.
 
As this trend toward grotesque mass has continued, so has the shrinking popularity of the sport. Until bodybuilding tries to promote beautiful bodies with mass... rather than mass with no class.... it will continue to lose favor in th public eye.
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Are you seriously suggesting that bbing in the 70s was more appealing to the general public than it is nowdays.
 
LT3 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that bbing in the 70s was more appealing to the general public than it is nowdays.
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YES!!! Todays bodybuilders are nothing more than circus freaks. The general public could care less. I mean, how many mainstream talk shows do you see bodybuilders on? How many mainstream products do bodybuilders have endorsements with? ZERO. Back in the 70's, there was a buzz and an interest in the sport, but the athletes looks so unhealthy and weird now, that no one is interested.
 
if you can prove to me that bb made more $ back then than it does now, ill believe u. back then you had fewer gyms, less competitions, and less fans. you hear all bbrs from the 70s, they say ppl used to wonder why we did this, they thought we were weirdos and fags. if you were to ask someone back then if they worked out with weights, then you wouldnt get too many yeses, but now it is common for ppl to do it.
 
Arnold,he Was A True Bb,his Biceps Were Unreal,bb Is About Looking Good,arnold Is In The Guiness Book Of Records As "the Most Developed Man In The History Of The World"todays Bb Are Freaks,arnold Would Still Win Nowadays,all He Would Have To Do Is Have An Insane Amount Of Gh Like Ronnie Coleman,they Fact That Arnold Was Taller And More Pleasing To Look At Means Even On Gh He Would Look Better Than Ronnie.and How You Can Say Arnold Has Average Genetics Is Beyond Me,depending On What U Class As Average,u Do Not,i Repeat Do Not Win Mr Olimpia Several Times With Average Genetics,esspecially The Lack Of Drugs In Arnolds Time,means U Can Put His Wins Down More To Genetics Than Say Ronnie Coleman.have U Seen The Pic Of Arnold At Around 17 Years,he Massive U Can See The Potential,he Was Bigger At 17 Than Most People Who Do Steriods As Adults,im Sorry Thats Genetics.

My Vote Arnold
 
You can´t seriosly claim Arnold had better genetics than todays pros!?
you have to at least admit he had like the worst symmertry of all time. His chest and biceps definatly didn´t match anything else in his body, he only won so many Mr. Olympia titles because he was Weiders top guy, just like Ronnie have won his last titles, even that there have been other better guys, with less bloating.
 
Mikey25 said:
You can´t seriosly claim Arnold had better genetics than todays pros!?
you have to at least admit he had like the worst symmertry of all time. His chest and biceps definatly didn´t match anything else in his body, he only won so many Mr. Olympia titles because he was Weiders top guy, just like Ronnie have won his last titles, even that there have been other better guys, with less bloating.
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His symmetry was perfect... if you think todays pros look better... you are highly delusional.
 
Arnold had a big chest and upper body, but lacked in the wheels.
Flex Wheeler probably had the best symmetry ever...pure hour glass.
Nasser El Sonboty...another MASS freak. Only bodybuilder to ever do guest appearances off season weighing over 300lbs WITH ABS....that's sick.
Dorian...huge...but TONS of GH...way more than any other bodybuilder at that time (early '90's).

IMO...Flex had total package.


Hey, but let's not forget Victor Richards = )
 
Re: What bodybuilder had the BEST GENETICS?/A~

Arnold Schwarzenegger; mah buhr ausm Steiermark! :8ball:
 
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