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Imnotdutch
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FREAK19 said:
Thanks.....I for one am extremely interested in how you train....your numbers speak volumes.
Anyhow, as of now I figure I'll quit posting on this thread until there is something to discuss. I have asked questions and given the opportunity for replies (which would constitute a discussion / debate.....the purpose of this board).....but none have been forthcoming. So there is little point in trying to make my point.
As for the comment about Halo......lol. Kinda funny.....but the only Halo I know about is the one that occasionally slips (ok more than occasionally) from being balanced on top of my head.
zzZuluzz I think you missed the point of my last post.....it was not a personal attack. It was me talking to you, and giving my opinions, in the manner that you talk to others (which if I recall was a bit of an issue on another Elite board). I think that you have seen the point that I was making as you edited one of the posts that I referred to to give a decent answer rather than just typing 'BULLSHIT' (a direct quote). However, it is clear that I am failing to make my point concerning training, and I prob wont get the answers I asked for in earlier posts (hence there is no point in asking to discuss anything with you), so I'll move on.
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I have discussed plenty of things with plenty of people. You think I'm incapable of debating this issue?
Half your posts have been ad hominem attacks towards me which I have no intent of pursueing.
Your hypocrisy is blatant. But by all means, continue to pollute this thread.
Stop addressing yourself to me. I made some bad posts and you think you're doing the board some good by jumping inot threads following me and posting crap about me?
Again, the irony here is stunning.
-Zulu
Half your posts have been ad hominem attacks towards me which I have no intent of pursueing.
Your hypocrisy is blatant. But by all means, continue to pollute this thread.
Stop addressing yourself to me. I made some bad posts and you think you're doing the board some good by jumping inot threads following me and posting crap about me?
Again, the irony here is stunning.
-Zulu
powerlifterjay
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ZzuluZ
Dude going off topic here i just wanna say, dude your vocabulary and words lose me bro!! I dont know if you have a thesaurus right there with you, or you are a extremely educted person, but you lose me.
Every thing doesnt have to be scientifically anaylized. Does it? I am just saying there are so many that are too hard to expalin why they work for some and not others. BUt lets say for instance you are a genius, tell me your program? Listen bro i am in no way messin with you. I am dead serious i am giving you the benefit of the doubt on your intellect. I am curious to see what you think is the best way to train. I also wanna no your lifts. Not to say "oh i lift more so your wrong" . No way woudl i do that. I probably started before you, but let me know your gains you made from day 1 till now. I asume your clean too, so again i dont intend to compare lifts, for i am not. So do not be defensive or use big words for me!!LOL!! Just make it simple for me. And by the way how old are you?
Dude going off topic here i just wanna say, dude your vocabulary and words lose me bro!! I dont know if you have a thesaurus right there with you, or you are a extremely educted person, but you lose me.
Every thing doesnt have to be scientifically anaylized. Does it? I am just saying there are so many that are too hard to expalin why they work for some and not others. BUt lets say for instance you are a genius, tell me your program? Listen bro i am in no way messin with you. I am dead serious i am giving you the benefit of the doubt on your intellect. I am curious to see what you think is the best way to train. I also wanna no your lifts. Not to say "oh i lift more so your wrong" . No way woudl i do that. I probably started before you, but let me know your gains you made from day 1 till now. I asume your clean too, so again i dont intend to compare lifts, for i am not. So do not be defensive or use big words for me!!LOL!! Just make it simple for me. And by the way how old are you?
How is my vocabulary scientific?
I guess Ive grown accustomed to a more extensive vocabularly from all the philosophical/religous debates I have on other boards. I don't purposefully use difficult words...If I did; you'd really notice it
"or you are a extremely educted person, but you lose me. "
I'll take this as a compliment.
"Every thing doesnt have to be scientifically anaylized. Does it?'
Now you lost me.
"BUt lets say for instance you are a genius, tell me your program?"
Why am I genius? WTF? My program is hard to describe. Arioch has seen it.
"you. I am dead serious i am giving you the benefit of the doubt on your intellect. I am curious to see what you think is the best way to train."
I don't think there is a best way to train. It all depends on goals, restrictions, genetics, work capacity, etc... Do you mean for powerlifters?
I don't feel like stating my lifts. They're not very impressive. I've been lifting for a year.
I'm 16.
-Zulu
I guess Ive grown accustomed to a more extensive vocabularly from all the philosophical/religous debates I have on other boards. I don't purposefully use difficult words...If I did; you'd really notice it
"or you are a extremely educted person, but you lose me. "
I'll take this as a compliment.
"Every thing doesnt have to be scientifically anaylized. Does it?'
Now you lost me.
"BUt lets say for instance you are a genius, tell me your program?"
Why am I genius? WTF? My program is hard to describe. Arioch has seen it.
"you. I am dead serious i am giving you the benefit of the doubt on your intellect. I am curious to see what you think is the best way to train."
I don't think there is a best way to train. It all depends on goals, restrictions, genetics, work capacity, etc... Do you mean for powerlifters?
I don't feel like stating my lifts. They're not very impressive. I've been lifting for a year.
I'm 16.
-Zulu
powerlifterjay
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Well for starters i didnt say your vocabulary was scientific. I was just saying it was broad.
You are obviously a reader. So though your eduction is limited at 16 you do study weight lifting.
Ok maybe i shouldnt have scientifically anaylized, just anaylized. Your percentages you come up with. Your idea's of hypertropy not being used in powerlifting, and the CNS being the deciding factor in a lifters ability. Do you knwo how many top liftes i have spoke with? I know more then you have read about. Maybe not all personally but i know how most of them train. And surprisingly alot train with reps and no ME work for little off seasons. And periodization in the season with westside movements. Gary Frank is as old school as one gets. No westside, he trains 2 to 3 days a week. Heavy every week in season. He is big and full of muscle. I think your theories are wrong on hypertropy, and CNS and what you say X amount of powerlifters do to train. How come when i go up n weight i get stronger? Nevermind dont answer it. You just read my own questions back to me and make me sound stupid for asking.
And if you dont have success with your program change it. You obviously have not had much success with it if your uncomfortable , not stating your lifts , but showing us your progress with it. When i was 17 , 18 years old i gained like 25 to 30 lbs of muscle my first year or so. I didnt even know what powerlifting was. I just repped out on bench and maxed every week. Went from 185 to 265 at 15 to 16 then took year off dropped down to 200 max on my return and then went from 200 to 315 with in 6 months. Most work was periodization type training and hypertrophy. My arms and muscles got big quick. If you cant say the same for yoru training then maybe its wrong. theres too much thinkin involved. Just lift the freakin weight till you cant anymore, stopping one rep from failure and you get stronger!! Dam thats simple!
If your training is too complicated to talk about, then i know its a routine that probably looks better on paper then it actually is.
You have no clue how to peak for a meet or keep from peaking too early. I am not flaming you i am just stating what i see. And guys like you and Hannibal are like a walking powerlifting encyclopedias but really are beginners in my eyes, who need some gym time and meet time under your belt before you can speak from experience and not a magazine article, or quoting others lifters and people. I am sorry if i am coming off rude or whatever , but i just cant take your advice to seriously and for months its been that way here on the board.
Not to say yoru opinions dont count they do. But if someting works for someone and that is what they do to train, use your opinion but dont dare say its not right. Because there living proof it is. Freak is stronger then most people will ever become. I dont train his way. But i wouldnt tell him its wrong cause he makes gains on it. Hundreds of pounds. He has put more on his total then most people total!! It doesnt work? Mine doesnt? Franks, and Coans doesnt? You keep training your way and avoid increasing your muscle size and if yoru goal is to be a 123 lb powerlifter with 1100lb total then so be it. But i got bigger goals. I train and eat to be big and strong.
One last thing concerning CNS and hypertrophy and training. I personally can tell wheni am taxingmy CNS. I knwo when to back off before my trainng goes back wards. How ? Why? Cause i got experince. 3 weeks at 90% is true for some. Maybe maybe not. Depending on your training you might go 5 plus . I have maxed out on the bench and squats for 6 weeks every week and pR each time. Maxing on both each week.
My point of this was get out of those freakin books and just get your little ass in the gym and train!! Trainhard too! Powerlifting is fun and its easy. You make sound so fuckin complicated, from your research. The CNS, Hypertrophy, your percentages, your theories, and even direct quad training. I am sure theres more, i do not follow your posts outside this board but you get my point. I dont care what your little books say, i know what me and my boys lift. And guys in my gym who have 1 year of lifting dont give advice they ask it!! Try it you might learn something for once. I love golf been playing, for a little over a year now (not much lately) but even though i have ideas i wouldnt fuckin dare give out advice to guys that are 20 stokes below me!!
You are obviously a reader. So though your eduction is limited at 16 you do study weight lifting.
Ok maybe i shouldnt have scientifically anaylized, just anaylized. Your percentages you come up with. Your idea's of hypertropy not being used in powerlifting, and the CNS being the deciding factor in a lifters ability. Do you knwo how many top liftes i have spoke with? I know more then you have read about. Maybe not all personally but i know how most of them train. And surprisingly alot train with reps and no ME work for little off seasons. And periodization in the season with westside movements. Gary Frank is as old school as one gets. No westside, he trains 2 to 3 days a week. Heavy every week in season. He is big and full of muscle. I think your theories are wrong on hypertropy, and CNS and what you say X amount of powerlifters do to train. How come when i go up n weight i get stronger? Nevermind dont answer it. You just read my own questions back to me and make me sound stupid for asking.
And if you dont have success with your program change it. You obviously have not had much success with it if your uncomfortable , not stating your lifts , but showing us your progress with it. When i was 17 , 18 years old i gained like 25 to 30 lbs of muscle my first year or so. I didnt even know what powerlifting was. I just repped out on bench and maxed every week. Went from 185 to 265 at 15 to 16 then took year off dropped down to 200 max on my return and then went from 200 to 315 with in 6 months. Most work was periodization type training and hypertrophy. My arms and muscles got big quick. If you cant say the same for yoru training then maybe its wrong. theres too much thinkin involved. Just lift the freakin weight till you cant anymore, stopping one rep from failure and you get stronger!! Dam thats simple!
If your training is too complicated to talk about, then i know its a routine that probably looks better on paper then it actually is.
You have no clue how to peak for a meet or keep from peaking too early. I am not flaming you i am just stating what i see. And guys like you and Hannibal are like a walking powerlifting encyclopedias but really are beginners in my eyes, who need some gym time and meet time under your belt before you can speak from experience and not a magazine article, or quoting others lifters and people. I am sorry if i am coming off rude or whatever , but i just cant take your advice to seriously and for months its been that way here on the board.
Not to say yoru opinions dont count they do. But if someting works for someone and that is what they do to train, use your opinion but dont dare say its not right. Because there living proof it is. Freak is stronger then most people will ever become. I dont train his way. But i wouldnt tell him its wrong cause he makes gains on it. Hundreds of pounds. He has put more on his total then most people total!! It doesnt work? Mine doesnt? Franks, and Coans doesnt? You keep training your way and avoid increasing your muscle size and if yoru goal is to be a 123 lb powerlifter with 1100lb total then so be it. But i got bigger goals. I train and eat to be big and strong.
One last thing concerning CNS and hypertrophy and training. I personally can tell wheni am taxingmy CNS. I knwo when to back off before my trainng goes back wards. How ? Why? Cause i got experince. 3 weeks at 90% is true for some. Maybe maybe not. Depending on your training you might go 5 plus . I have maxed out on the bench and squats for 6 weeks every week and pR each time. Maxing on both each week.
My point of this was get out of those freakin books and just get your little ass in the gym and train!! Trainhard too! Powerlifting is fun and its easy. You make sound so fuckin complicated, from your research. The CNS, Hypertrophy, your percentages, your theories, and even direct quad training. I am sure theres more, i do not follow your posts outside this board but you get my point. I dont care what your little books say, i know what me and my boys lift. And guys in my gym who have 1 year of lifting dont give advice they ask it!! Try it you might learn something for once. I love golf been playing, for a little over a year now (not much lately) but even though i have ideas i wouldnt fuckin dare give out advice to guys that are 20 stokes below me!!
" Your idea's of hypertropy not being used in powerlifting,"
WOW. What a blatant misrepresentation of my views. I feel hypertrophy is very important in acheiving maximal strength.
" And if you dont have success with your program change it. You obviously have not had much success with it if your uncomfortable , not stating your lifts , but showing us your progress with it. When i was 17 , 18 years old i gained like 25 to 30 lbs of muscle my first year or so. I didnt even know what powerlifting was. I just repped out on bench and maxed every week. Went from 185 to 265 at 15 to 16 then took year off dropped down to 200 max on my return and then went from 200 to 315 with in 6 months. Most work was periodization type training and hypertrophy. My arms and muscles got big quick. If you cant say the same for yoru training then maybe its wrong. theres too much thinkin involved. Just lift the freakin weight till you cant anymore, stopping one rep from failure and you get stronger!! Dam thats simple! "
Good for you. Of what use is sharing my stats? It's compltely meaningless because:
1.) I don't take steriods or supplements.
2.) My wrist size is 6.5 inches which is very important.
3.) I weigh 160.
4.) I've only been training for a year.
Etcetera ad nauseum.
" If your training is too complicated to talk about, then i know its a routine that probably looks better on paper then it actually is. "
It's becoming clear your post is only one huge ad hominem attack towards me. It is not simply better on paper. I have shared it with Arioch to get some feedback. I have no intention of sharing it with you. That is all.
" You have no clue how to peak for a meet or keep from peaking too early. I am not flaming you i am just stating what i see. And guys like you and Hannibal are like a walking powerlifting encyclopedias but really are beginners in my eyes, who need some gym time and meet time under your belt before you can speak from experience and not a magazine article, or quoting others lifters and people. I am sorry if i am coming off rude or whatever , but i just cant take your advice to seriously and for months its been that way here on the board. "
WTF are you on about? Where have I given advice about peaking for a meet???? If you want to flame me or Hannibal than do so over PM.
"
Not to say yoru opinions dont count they do. But if someting works for someone and that is what they do to train, use your opinion but dont dare say its not right. Because there living proof it is. Freak is stronger then most people will ever become. I dont train his way. But i wouldnt tell him its wrong cause he makes gains on it. Hundreds of pounds. He has put more on his total then most people total!! It doesnt work? Mine doesnt? Franks, and Coans doesnt? You keep training your way and avoid increasing your muscle size and if yoru goal is to be a 123 lb powerlifter with 1100lb total then so be it. But i got bigger goals. I train and eat to be big and strong. "
Do you always go off on tangents irrelevent to the topic? That was rhetorical. If it works for Freak that is great. If something works....stick with it. Never will you see me espousing anything different. You obviously want to categorize me negatively-fine.
" One last thing concerning CNS and hypertrophy and training. I personally can tell wheni am taxingmy CNS. I knwo when to back off before my trainng goes back wards. How ? Why? Cause i got experince. 3 weeks at 90% is true for some. Maybe maybe not. Depending on your training you might go 5 plus . I have maxed out on the bench and squats for 6 weeks every week and pR each time. Maxing on both each week. "
Um, so what?
" My point of this was get out of those freakin books and just get your little ass in the gym and train!! Trainhard too! Powerlifting is fun and its easy. You make sound so fuckin complicated, from your research. The CNS, Hypertrophy, your percentages, your theories, and even direct quad training. I am sure theres more, i do not follow your posts outside this board but you get my point. I dont care what your little books say, i know what me and my boys lift. And guys in my gym who have 1 year of lifting dont give advice they ask it!! Try it you might learn something for once. I love golf been playing, for a little over a year now (not much lately) but even though i have ideas i wouldnt fuckin dare give out advice to guys that are 20 stokes below me!!"
I just lost all respect for you. Obviously this is meaningless to you.
You promote ignorance. And you're not the only one. I think it's sick and disgusting and a vile representation of society.
Tell you what: The day Arioch tells me to get off the boards, I'll do it. Till then, I couldn't care less about your stats or your experience or even less what you think of me.
You could have phrased yourself cordially but it's obvious what your point is-- to attack me personally.
Nice job.
-Zulu
WOW. What a blatant misrepresentation of my views. I feel hypertrophy is very important in acheiving maximal strength.
" And if you dont have success with your program change it. You obviously have not had much success with it if your uncomfortable , not stating your lifts , but showing us your progress with it. When i was 17 , 18 years old i gained like 25 to 30 lbs of muscle my first year or so. I didnt even know what powerlifting was. I just repped out on bench and maxed every week. Went from 185 to 265 at 15 to 16 then took year off dropped down to 200 max on my return and then went from 200 to 315 with in 6 months. Most work was periodization type training and hypertrophy. My arms and muscles got big quick. If you cant say the same for yoru training then maybe its wrong. theres too much thinkin involved. Just lift the freakin weight till you cant anymore, stopping one rep from failure and you get stronger!! Dam thats simple! "
Good for you. Of what use is sharing my stats? It's compltely meaningless because:
1.) I don't take steriods or supplements.
2.) My wrist size is 6.5 inches which is very important.
3.) I weigh 160.
4.) I've only been training for a year.
Etcetera ad nauseum.
" If your training is too complicated to talk about, then i know its a routine that probably looks better on paper then it actually is. "
It's becoming clear your post is only one huge ad hominem attack towards me. It is not simply better on paper. I have shared it with Arioch to get some feedback. I have no intention of sharing it with you. That is all.
" You have no clue how to peak for a meet or keep from peaking too early. I am not flaming you i am just stating what i see. And guys like you and Hannibal are like a walking powerlifting encyclopedias but really are beginners in my eyes, who need some gym time and meet time under your belt before you can speak from experience and not a magazine article, or quoting others lifters and people. I am sorry if i am coming off rude or whatever , but i just cant take your advice to seriously and for months its been that way here on the board. "
WTF are you on about? Where have I given advice about peaking for a meet???? If you want to flame me or Hannibal than do so over PM.
"
Not to say yoru opinions dont count they do. But if someting works for someone and that is what they do to train, use your opinion but dont dare say its not right. Because there living proof it is. Freak is stronger then most people will ever become. I dont train his way. But i wouldnt tell him its wrong cause he makes gains on it. Hundreds of pounds. He has put more on his total then most people total!! It doesnt work? Mine doesnt? Franks, and Coans doesnt? You keep training your way and avoid increasing your muscle size and if yoru goal is to be a 123 lb powerlifter with 1100lb total then so be it. But i got bigger goals. I train and eat to be big and strong. "
Do you always go off on tangents irrelevent to the topic? That was rhetorical. If it works for Freak that is great. If something works....stick with it. Never will you see me espousing anything different. You obviously want to categorize me negatively-fine.
" One last thing concerning CNS and hypertrophy and training. I personally can tell wheni am taxingmy CNS. I knwo when to back off before my trainng goes back wards. How ? Why? Cause i got experince. 3 weeks at 90% is true for some. Maybe maybe not. Depending on your training you might go 5 plus . I have maxed out on the bench and squats for 6 weeks every week and pR each time. Maxing on both each week. "
Um, so what?
" My point of this was get out of those freakin books and just get your little ass in the gym and train!! Trainhard too! Powerlifting is fun and its easy. You make sound so fuckin complicated, from your research. The CNS, Hypertrophy, your percentages, your theories, and even direct quad training. I am sure theres more, i do not follow your posts outside this board but you get my point. I dont care what your little books say, i know what me and my boys lift. And guys in my gym who have 1 year of lifting dont give advice they ask it!! Try it you might learn something for once. I love golf been playing, for a little over a year now (not much lately) but even though i have ideas i wouldnt fuckin dare give out advice to guys that are 20 stokes below me!!"
I just lost all respect for you. Obviously this is meaningless to you.
You promote ignorance. And you're not the only one. I think it's sick and disgusting and a vile representation of society.
Tell you what: The day Arioch tells me to get off the boards, I'll do it. Till then, I couldn't care less about your stats or your experience or even less what you think of me.
You could have phrased yourself cordially but it's obvious what your point is-- to attack me personally.
Nice job.
-Zulu
Zulu,
Look I dont have anything against you. I read your arguments on my thread, and hey its your opinion. So I didnt really care. But dont come to this board and post on my thread and talk bad about my teammate/friend. It just doenst work that way. Maybe you should listen to PLJAY, he knows alot. He has taught me alot of things that I didnt know. He is on his way to the top, maybe you could to if you just listen. In other words if you wanna talk shit, take it to PM. I dont wanna see you putting down my friend on my thread.
FREAK19
Look I dont have anything against you. I read your arguments on my thread, and hey its your opinion. So I didnt really care. But dont come to this board and post on my thread and talk bad about my teammate/friend. It just doenst work that way. Maybe you should listen to PLJAY, he knows alot. He has taught me alot of things that I didnt know. He is on his way to the top, maybe you could to if you just listen. In other words if you wanna talk shit, take it to PM. I dont wanna see you putting down my friend on my thread.
FREAK19
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solidj55
Guest
ZZuluZ- woa bro, slow down, dont take everything personal. I assume from your response that powerlifterjay pissed you off. Dont take it personal bro, Im sure he didnt mean it as an attack on you personally or your training or anything. Powerlifterjay from what I have seen from him on the board and from the numerous pms and emails I have sent him, he is nothing but helpful and here to lend a helping hand to whomever wants it. And even though you may not agree with what he says he has a valid point, not saying you dont, just saying he does. All he is saying is that you dont have to complicate things. Also, some things may sound good and look good on paper but once you try them, it may be the most fucked up mess ever. He is just saying dont rely on everything you read in articles, books, etc. Sometimes real life experience is worth more, at least in my opinion. I have tried the workouts that sound good and look good on paper and they sucked shit. When I first came on here about a year ago I talked to powerlifterjay about his workout. I didnt like the sound of it because it sounded so simple and I was also afraid of not getting results. Well I tried it anyway, I mean hell his numbers speak for themself, and you know what? My bench went from 285(raw) to 335 (raw) in 24 weeks, I still have a training log to prove it. I didnt follow it to a T but I took what I liked out of it and modified it between his workout, westside, and Ed Coans and boom there was my routine. Im not attacking you bro and Im not punking out to powerlifterjay or swinging on his nuts, Im just saying his real world experience has helped me and your crack about him promoting ignorance was a little uncalled for. He was just giving you his advice, take it or leave it. And I know what your going to say, who cares what his routine did for me, no one is trying to get into a pissing match with you we are all just here to help each other. I hope your routine and all your hard work studying pays off in the end for you bro. Good luck.
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