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Wedding in 20 weeks - First cycle questions

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SoCalMK6GTI

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33 years old 5'10" weight was 205.5 this morning around 13.7% BF (calipers)

I've been training off and on since high school and been steady for quite some time now. Diet will be on point for my cycle, it got a little sloppy for the past two months (tennis elbow injury kept me out of the gym) but I'm back on track.

flat bench - 275lbx3
Squat 315x3
leg press 1,100x2 and got 1,000x6
deadlift 315x8

I was considering a bulk first and then a cut but with my BF being a little higher than I expected perhaps a cut first would do...however I don't know if I want to be on a bulk (heavy/bloated) for the wedding and honeymoon. I'm not sure how to approach this so any help will do. I figure I have 20 weeks until the wedding and the honeymoon will most likely be on a beach in hawaii.

I know time off = time on so I'm a bit limited, that's why I'm asking the pros!

At this point I have stuck to basic supplements and relied strictly on diet however as I read and learn I become more intrigued and so here I am. If I decide to do AAS I will do the most basic cycle I can to see how my body reacts. I am not some kid that wants to inject a magic formula and overnight get huge.
 
Run a 10 week Test cycle. Add in D-Bol or Anadrol the first 4 weeks, and bulk hardcore. Then from weeks 5-12 start your cut and continue the leaning out process through PCT and after. You could throw in a bit of winstrol at the end of your cycle to harden up. Then a peptide or sarms bridge post PCT seems ideal for what you are looking for.

1-12 Test - 500mg/weel
1-4 DBol - 30mg/day
7-12 Winstrol - 50mg/day

15-18 PCT

19-?? Bridge
 
STTM said:
Run a 10 week Test cycle. Add in D-Bol or Anadrol the first 4 weeks, and bulk hardcore. Then from weeks 5-12 start your cut and continue the leaning out process through PCT and after. You could throw in a bit of winstrol at the end of your cycle to harden up. Then a peptide or sarms bridge post PCT seems ideal for what you are looking for.

1-12 Test - 500mg/weel
1-4 DBol - 30mg/day
7-12 Winstrol - 50mg/day

15-18 PCT

19-?? Bridge
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Not too harsh for a newbie?

I like the idea of splitting the cycle between a bulk/cut. I can't believe I didn't think of that...
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
Not too harsh for a newbie?

I like the idea of splitting the cycle between a bulk/cut. I can't believe I didn't think of that...
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The cycle is not harsh at all, but some might consider it a little advanced for a first cycle. Your diet will dictate the majority of your results, so you could just run Test only if you wanted to. If you were to go the approach of a bulk, then a cut.. I would add in an oral to the beginning so you get good gains right away while your eating big.
 
STTM said:
The cycle is not harsh at all, but some might consider it a little advanced for a first cycle. Your diet will dictate the majority of your results, so you could just run Test only if you wanted to. If you were to go the approach of a bulk, then a cut.. I would add in an oral to the beginning so you get good gains right away while your eating big.
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Dianabulk for 1-4 good enough?
 
STTM said:
would not be bad. I would opt more towards real D-Bol or Anadrol tho. I good PH to use would be MSten.
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What you would opt for, and what makes good sense, are pretty far apart. Quit leading this guy down the wrong road.

SoCal, go back to the last paragraph of your original post and start from there. Disregard the bad advice you've been given.
 
Race121 said:
What you would opt for, and what makes good sense, are pretty far apart. Quit leading this guy down the wrong road.

SoCal, go back to the last paragraph of your original post and start from there. Disregard the bad advice you've been given.
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Elaborate more please, where exactly is the bad advice?
 
Race121 said:
What you would opt for, and what makes good sense, are pretty far apart. Quit leading this guy down the wrong road.

SoCal, go back to the last paragraph of your original post and start from there. Disregard the bad advice you've been given.
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Appreciate the input but if I'm to make good decisions then I need to know what bad advice I'm not supposed to follow.

Thanks again
 
All of it is bad advice. To be nice about, I'll just say it's reckless, stupid and not even AAS 101 level. If you have to ask what's bad about it you have no business handing that BS out.
 
So a test cycle with orals is bad advice? Reckless, and stupid? I don't think you have any clue what you are talking about. So please, make things a little bit more clear.
 
You're asking for a 20 week miracle in less than 20 weeks. The most elaborate, dangerous, professional cycle isn't going to fix that.

You know that, as indicated by your first post. You run that disaster test/d-bol/winstrol suggestion and you'll be a nice, plump 18% by week 7 and, if you're lucky, back to 14% and miserable by your honeymoon.

You don't detect the BS in sttm advice? Blah, blah do this and this and...PCT, giving you no indication what PCT would include. Red flag.
 
Yes. First cycle, 14% BF, bulk on T and d-Bol, cut on winstrol, inconsistent diet/training...Reckless, stupid and he'll have little to show for it.
 
Race121 said:
And your petty, childish retort confirms what I've already said.
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You're the one on some bullshit, trying to make something out of nothing.

He asked for advice, I gave him advice. Nothing stupid or wreckless about it. I guess bulking on dbol and cutting on winstrol is a foreign concept to you. Everything I said goes along with his goals and what is his trying to accomplish.
 
STTM said:
You're the one on some bullshit, trying to make something out of nothing.

He asked for advice, I gave him advice. Nothing stupid or wreckless about it. I guess bulking on dbol and cutting on winstrol is a foreign concept to you. Everything I said goes along with his goals and what is his trying to accomplish.
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Not a foreign concept to me at all. I had a nice test-d-bol run on my 3rd cycle about 15 years ago. I followed that up with some prop/winny 4 months later. Both are nice combos.

I'm done with this. I hope somebody with more time rips you properly for giving a new guy such bad advice.
 
Race121 said:
Not a foreign concept to me at all. I had a nice test-d-bol run on my 3rd cycle about 15 years ago. I followed that up with some prop/winny 4 months later. Both are nice combos.

I'm done with this. I hope somebody with more time rips you properly for giving a new guy such bad advice.
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Gave him 0 bad advice. sorry brah.
 
I stand by the advice I gave you. If you are going to cycle, run Test for about 12 weeks. If you are going to bulk then cut, I'd add an oral to the beginning. If you're diet and training are on point, you are not going to get fat.
 
STTM said:
Run a 10 week Test cycle. Add in D-Bol or Anadrol the first 4 weeks, and bulk hardcore. Then from weeks 5-12 start your cut and continue the leaning out process through PCT and after. You could throw in a bit of winstrol at the end of your cycle to harden up. Then a peptide or sarms bridge post PCT seems ideal for what you are looking for.

1-12 Test - 500mg/weel
1-4 DBol - 30mg/day
7-12 Winstrol - 50mg/day

15-18 PCT

19-?? Bridge
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I'll probably drop the winstrol just to keep it more basic and simple. Does keeping it simple on a first cycle apply to the PCT as well? I really want to make sure I have everything on hand and make sure the PCT is solid as hell.

Clomid seems to be the choice over nolva on certain forums. It's tough to learn when there are more opinions on forums than facts

Appreciate your help though
 
here you go bro...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!
1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
9-14 oxandrovar 2 caps a day first 3 weeks then bump to 3 caps a day The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com
9-14 n2guard Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding

PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
 
dylangemelli said:
here you go bro...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!
1-14 GW-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com
9-14 oxandrovar 2 caps a day first 3 weeks then bump to 3 caps a day The #1 Supplier of Pro-Hormones - MyProH.com
9-14 n2guard Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding

PCT 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com
aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
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Any reason you decreased the Test dose? I've been reading up about Cyp and it seems so similar to Enanthate that besides price I can't see a reason to pick one over the other. There were a few debates on manufacturing locations (Cyp in US and Enanthate in Europe) but many people said those claims are false now too. My source will be shipping most likely from overseas unless I can find one domestic. It's a gtg source verified but others on here and eroids but if there is a reason to do Test C over Test E I'll take your word for it, just educate me on why and why the smaller dose.
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
No disrespect but it's all in the very first post.

Goals are in initial post

Never cycled
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its more advanced to bulk and cut on the same cycle, not something for a noob. i woukd advise a test e/oxandrovar cycle.With proper diet you will gain muscle and cut a bit, its a good body recomp cycle

test e 1-12 500 mg per week 2x
oxandrovar 7-12 2 caps a day
gw 1-12 20 mg per day 30 mins pre workout
hcgenerate 5-12
n2guard 1-12
aromasin 1-12 12.5 eod

pct
clomid
aromasin
hcgenerate es
osta

you could throw s4 in there if you want to add to the hardning.lgd will get overshadowed by the test e, i see no need for it to be honest but opinions vary
 
keep it simple for a first cycle

if you want only 4 weeks do oxandrovar or primobolex for 4 weeks (PM me for discounts)

if you want 12 weeks.. kickstart it with the PH's and then run the test 12 weeks at 500mg a week.. very simple

for pct see my signature best pct of 2014
 
hurricane said:
its more advanced to bulk and cut on the same cycle, not something for a noob. i woukd advise a test e/oxandrovar cycle.With proper diet you will gain muscle and cut a bit, its a good body recomp cycle

test e 1-12 500 mg per week 2x
oxandrovar 7-12 2 caps a day
gw 1-12 20 mg per day 30 mins pre workout
hcgenerate 5-12
n2guard 1-12
aromasin 1-12 12.5 eod

pct
clomid
aromasin
hcgenerate es
osta

you could throw s4 in there if you want to add to the hardning.lgd will get overshadowed by the test e, i see no need for it to be honest but opinions vary
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I have actually just started a similar cycle... infact its identical except for the Oxandrovar. Its not that I'm planing not to run it, more so, if I run that or the real deal.

Mush
 
Why not just run a sarms triple stack up until your wedding, and wait to do a cycle further down the road? You can recomp very well with sarms, adding strength and mass while dropping fat (with the right diet). That sounds pretty much where your goals are. Here is what I would do

1-12 LGD 10mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW 20mg per day

All of these you can get from SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators and they are running a buy two get one free sale right now that makes it very affordable.

Follow it up with Test stack for PCT http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html


I will send some discounts your way for Test Stack
 
RickRock13 said:
Why not just run a sarms triple stack up until your wedding, and wait to do a cycle further down the road? You can recomp very well with sarms, adding strength and mass while dropping fat (with the right diet). That sounds pretty much where your goals are. Here is what I would do

1-12 LGD 10mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW 20mg per day

All of these you can get from SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators and they are running a buy two get one free sale right now that makes it very affordable.

Follow it up with Test stack for PCT http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html


I will send some discounts your way for Test Stack
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You can always do this also.The gains wont be as drastic but it will be lean muscle gain and you will lose some bf%.Its a great body recomp cycle.
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
33 years old 5'10" weight was 205.5 this morning around 13.7% BF (calipers)

I've been training off and on since high school and been steady for quite some time now. Diet will be on point for my cycle, it got a little sloppy for the past two months (tennis elbow injury kept me out of the gym) but I'm back on track.

flat bench - 275lbx3
Squat 315x3
leg press 1,100x2 and got 1,000x6
deadlift 315x8

I was considering a bulk first and then a cut but with my BF being a little higher than I expected perhaps a cut first would do...however I don't know if I want to be on a bulk (heavy/bloated) for the wedding and honeymoon. I'm not sure how to approach this so any help will do. I figure I have 20 weeks until the wedding and the honeymoon will most likely be on a beach in hawaii.

I know time off = time on so I'm a bit limited, that's why I'm asking the pros!

At this point I have stuck to basic supplements and relied strictly on diet however as I read and learn I become more intrigued and so here I am. If I decide to do AAS I will do the most basic cycle I can to see how my body reacts. I am not some kid that wants to inject a magic formula and overnight get huge.
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simple, do not EVER try to bulk and cut in that short of time, I have done it but i was "on" for 7 months.. and was a bitch of a recovery... keep it simple, run test for 12 weeks at 300-500 run hcg after last injection up till pct then run nolva 20 mg a day clomid 50mg a day for a month THEN GET BLOOD WORK DONE.. that my friend is a cheap effective cycle and pct..
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
Any reason you decreased the Test dose? I've been reading up about Cyp and it seems so similar to Enanthate that besides price I can't see a reason to pick one over the other. There were a few debates on manufacturing locations (Cyp in US and Enanthate in Europe) but many people said those claims are false now too. My source will be shipping most likely from overseas unless I can find one domestic. It's a gtg source verified but others on here and eroids but if there is a reason to do Test C over Test E I'll take your word for it, just educate me on why and why the smaller dose.
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The higher the ester weight, the less actual test you are getting... you are still getting around 79% actual test with cypionate and roughly 81 with enanthate... I really think that along with the fact that many are under the belief that you can just inject cypionate once a week... I inject it twice a week but that's a completely different conversation... There is not going to be much of any difference between the two...

The saying test is test is interpreted so many different ways by so many different people... Here is the best way I can explain this through other examples... A car is a car right? However there are different models, versions, etc... If all test was the same, then there wouldn't be different types correct? They are ALL testosterone, yes, but they all have different qualities, capabilities, etc... There is quite a difference on test suspension and say for example, test enananthate... they are used differently, have different qualities, benefits, etc... yet they are both testosterone... Regardless of how you interpret, the original questions posed is about c and e and the answer is there is little to no difference... The one thing that will jump out is that doctors generally recommend cyp for trt and that's generally the script they write... Other than that, all other miniscule differences were listed...


you can run 500 mg if you want but I just don't feel its necessary... 350 is plenty for what your wanting to accomplish...
 
I'd just stick with a SARMs stack if I were you man, no way I'd want to be going through pct on my honeymoon but that's just me. All of these ideas will work well if you hit the weights hard and pay attention to your diet.
 
You got alot of different options here buddy, best of luck with your venture and your wedding.MY pm box is always open, if you need further help good friend.
 
Just an honest question here so don't flame

It seems like on this forum every cycle has to have some SARM or N2BM product. What were cycles like before those companies were around? I spent so much time today looking at other cycles on other sites and researching compounds. It seems like any cycle advice on this particular forum consists of mass marketing overpriced products.

I really sincerely appreciate all the input and want to do this right, however I feel certain products are pushed way too hard onto every single person that asks for any bit of advice

That's all thanks
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
Just an honest question here so don't flame

It seems like on this forum every cycle has to have some SARM or N2BM product. What were cycles like before those companies were around? I spent so much time today looking at other cycles on other sites and researching compounds. It seems like any cycle advice on this particular forum consists of mass marketing overpriced products.

I really sincerely appreciate all the input and want to do this right, however I feel certain products are pushed way too hard onto every single person that asks for any bit of advice

That's all thanks
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its just like anything else in life... what did we do when there weren't cell phones? the point is, things change, they improve, new ways and methods are developed, new products are released, a new formula comes out, etc... On this forum, we try to provide the community with the best and safest supplements to use and the best methods of cycling with the most to gain with the least amount of side effects... sarms come highly recommended because of what they can add to and do for you... More and more people that are trying them are finding out just how great they are and they allow you much less to worry about whether its the side effects to the legality, sarms offer a safer and optimal addition or alternative to everyone...

the best methods and ways of doing things can vary from person to person and there will be much debate on something like that... all i can say is that results, blood work, etc... don't lie and what I am willing to recommend and put my name on, are things I KNOW work... That's how I do things bro...
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
Just an honest question here so don't flame

It seems like on this forum every cycle has to have some SARM or N2BM product. What were cycles like before those companies were around? I spent so much time today looking at other cycles on other sites and researching compounds. It seems like any cycle advice on this particular forum consists of mass marketing overpriced products.

I really sincerely appreciate all the input and want to do this right, however I feel certain products are pushed way too hard onto every single person that asks for any bit of advice

That's all thanks
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SARMS1 products are awesome. I ran the triple stack and now I'm doing a LGD+S4 run. On the triple stack I actually gained weight and looked a lot leaner by the end. This time I'm keeping cals in check at maitence and I haven't lost a pound but I'm looking leaner everyday.

You will be so pleased with your results using sarms, especially if you try to recomp or cut and you won't have to worry about potential harsh sides showin up or PCT when the stress of your wedding goes way up as the date gets closer.
 
I have zero affiliation with any sponsors in here but I'm extremely grateful to have found these compounds and have ordered from the sponsors on this board with positive experiences.

I'm not recommending you buy from these companies, you can buy from whomever you'd like, I'm just recommending the compound over a cycle due to your timeframe and what you're looking to achieve.

Planning a cycle requires serious foresight not only into the compounds that you are putting into your body and the diet and resistance training that benefit it but also where you will be physically/geographically over the next 12 - 15 weeks to make sure you're consistent with diet, lifting etc. You have to plan your PCT and your AI and have those compounds on hand prior to ever pinning. Otherwise you are wasting your money and compromising your health.

Just trying to help bro, if I had a bad experience I certainly wouldn't recommend that company but all experiences I've had with the sponsors on this board have been extremely positive.

If you want something extremely simple just pin 500mg of test e every week for 12 weeks and use an AI. Hit the gym hard and use myfitnesspal or some other calorie counter app to make sure your diet is solid.

Just make sure you have a proper PCT set up so you don't sacrifice boners on your honeymoon (or just get some liquid cialis from ag-guys hahaha I kid I kid).
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
Just an honest question here so don't flame

It seems like on this forum every cycle has to have some SARM or N2BM product. What were cycles like before those companies were around? I spent so much time today looking at other cycles on other sites and researching compounds. It seems like any cycle advice on this particular forum consists of mass marketing overpriced products.

I really sincerely appreciate all the input and want to do this right, however I feel certain products are pushed way too hard onto every single person that asks for any bit of advice

That's all thanks
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you got advised a few differnt cycles.Some were sarms, some were complete cycles with only gw for endurance

sarms are not the best bulkers by any means but when it comes to cutting they work extremely well

all the stuff we advise, we use ourselves, so if we didnt think it worked we 1) would not use it 2) wouldnt put our name behind it.

Again everything we advise , we all use ourselves.
 
I appreciate all of your responses, they were very informative and helped me make the decision to hold off until after the wedding. I am currently using the SARMs triple stack (Osta/GW/S4) and figure I'll keep running it for 12-weeks and see what I can get done with it. I might drop the Osta in four weeks (been on it for 8 weeks so far for my tennis elbow) and then add in the LGD-4033.

This time will give me more of a chance to heal, completely lay off the alcohol and get my diet in a better place. I already have all the syringes and sharps container so I'll probably order the gear around November/December for a January cycle.

Thank you all again for educating me a little more and motivating me to use my natural potential a little more before going to the dark side
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
I appreciate all of your responses, they were very informative and helped me make the decision to hold off until after the wedding. I am currently using the SARMs triple stack (Osta/GW/S4) and figure I'll keep running it for 12-weeks and see what I can get done with it. I might drop the Osta in four weeks (been on it for 8 weeks so far for my tennis elbow) and then add in the LGD-4033.

This time will give me more of a chance to heal, completely lay off the alcohol and get my diet in a better place. I already have all the syringes and sharps container so I'll probably order the gear around November/December for a January cycle.

Thank you all again for educating me a little more and motivating me to use my natural potential a little more before going to the dark side
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That sounds like a great plan bud, and I'm glad we could help you out.
 
SoCalMK6GTI said:
I appreciate all of your responses, they were very informative and helped me make the decision to hold off until after the wedding. I am currently using the SARMs triple stack (Osta/GW/S4) and figure I'll keep running it for 12-weeks and see what I can get done with it. I might drop the Osta in four weeks (been on it for 8 weeks so far for my tennis elbow) and then add in the LGD-4033.

This time will give me more of a chance to heal, completely lay off the alcohol and get my diet in a better place. I already have all the syringes and sharps container so I'll probably order the gear around November/December for a January cycle.

Thank you all again for educating me a little more and motivating me to use my natural potential a little more before going to the dark side
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no problem good friend, best of luck with your current cycle and your wedding!
 
I'd focus on getting shredded because in pictures it creates the illusion of being a monster with all the veins and striations in your muscles. And weddings usually mean lots of pictures.
 
Vast said:
I'd focus on getting shredded because in pictures it creates the illusion of being a monster with all the veins and striations in your muscles. And weddings usually mean lots of pictures.
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i agree, when at an important event, id much rather looks shredded then look all bloated and like your on juice.But thats me, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder lol
 
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