Video of Chuck's 1,000-pound squat posted!

[1-dawg]

Flex -- Unfortunately I understand more baout physics than 99 percent of the population -- I am a meteorologist. Your reference to a skate rink is off though -- your feet will not slip while squatting as long as you are using good shoes. Rocco C.(IPA President) has said before it is legal in the IPA to touch the monolift with your feet. I have been a ref in the APA, NASA(unfortunately), APF, and USAPL if I really need to defend that.

 

[powerlifterjay]

Hey flex what do you lift? Who gives a fuck if someones feet hit the supports, did his 1000 bump you back to 2nd? If it didnt and the judges let it go forget it. I seen the video and hell none of us could probably squat that wide if we wanted to. I do attibute his 100lb increase to that 2x canvas suit. Kenny Pattertson also added 100 with his. But if its allowed then you can say nothing. Hell i will probably get one before my next 3 lift next june and you know what if it adds 100 lbs to mine then hell ya! No matter what suit or shirt you wear you have to lock it out and that is a task in its own. I have did attempted a squat over 800 and let me tell you what it had me shakin like a fuckin seizure just standing under it. So any one who can stand with 1000 lbs none the less sqaut it wether or not it is a inch opr so high gets my highest respect. Let it go, if the squat wasnt passed in your opinion then you must still have a lot of respect for his attempt.

 

[Imnotdutch]

I do know what I am talking about. Unless the MP3 file is 'trick photagraphy', then you will obviously see that Chuck only moves the weight 10 inches or so. That is clearly visible. There are guys Chuck's weight that are squatting 75 to 80 percent of what he squats and they go three to four times the distance he does all the way to the floor with NO SUPPORT GEAR!

**I would like to see video evidence......or at least stills taken at various points in the lift for these lifters you mention. You also shout about physics....but have little appreciation of how the position of the camera can affect the perception of depth (you mentino that later).

Have you ever seen an elite Olympic Athlete train? I think not. They train 6 to 7 days a week, TWICE a day on most days. Also many Super Heavy Olympic Athletes are squatting 900 lbs for a single (or more) going way below parallel.

**Again names and evidence please......of and superheavyweight isnt 220. If these guys are so strong they should get their asses to a powerlifting meet and prove it. I dont recall the last one that did that.....maybe you know. I find it hard to believe that they all think this would be a pointless exercise. It seems to me that advocates fo these incredible lifters are always so sure of themselves.....without any firm evidence.

This is without a SUIT, or KNEE WRAPS (or even a BELT in many cases) or a MONOLIFT. I, like many people, am tired of records falling due to all the 'EQUIPMENT' and a with such a very small range of motion (like the 1000 lb. squat that moved 10 inches). If he would have gone to parallel or even broke the plane, he would have been buried under the weight and probably would be dead or at least a crumpled mess! This no great feat 1-dawg.

**I assume you used the video to determine whether he broke parallel. You must also have taken into account that the position of the camera can make deep squats look shallow and vice-versa. I think not. The judges passed the lifts......so he must have hit parallel. Why would he have been a crumpled mess? Obviously his body is upto the job of supporting that wieght......if he couldnt make the lift I'm sure he would still be with us!!

Once again like I said before, Paul anderson moved 6 times the weight the same distance over forty years ago with no SUPPORT GEAR. That is probably the greatest strength feat of all time. Real squatters move the bar more than 10 inches and they break the plane and go 'slightly' below parallel.

**Real squatters? He lifted within the rules!! That makes his lift a squat right?

If Chucks' squat to you is 'a good' squat (and a great '10 inch' effort above parallel it was), then you are certainly entitled to your opinion and so am I. And to answer your question, yes I have been to a few meets in Daytona when I used to live in Orlando. I was also being sarcastic when I referred to the 'Smith Machine' as a 'monolift like device'.

Bracing your feet on the inside of the Monolift does indeed provide extra leverage. It is Physics 101 (have you ever had Physics?). It has to do with the concept of the stabilzation of your 'Base of Support'. Suppose I tried to squat while standing in an ice rink. Why would I do only be able to squat 1/2 as much (1/2 as much is a 'rudimentray' example) as I would at the gym under a rubberized mat? It has to do with my 'Base of Support'. You see most of my effort has to be 'channeled' towards focusing on balancing my feet on the slippery ice of the ice rink, rather than being channelled into the effort of the squat motion itself. My feet are going to want to slip to the inside, outside, back or front because the ice is slippery. I now have less 'leverage'. Now if my base of support was to be stabilized (ex. I squatted at the gym on a rubberized mat) then I could squat more weight because the rubberized mat underneath my feet is much more stable then the ice. I have better 'leverage' due to the fact the more of my effort can be channelled into the lift itself and not into the function of 'stabilizing' my 'base of support' (my feet). If one was to 'brace' their feet on insides of the monolift, then more effort will be channeled into the lift itself because however hard their feet are pressing into to Monolift, the Monolift is pressing back into the feet with a force that is equal (directly proportional - another topic of Physics 101). This again stablizes the base of support providing even more leverage. 'Base of Support' is also one of the factor why a person can squat more on a Smith Machine, than squatting freely out of the rack. It is also why a person can leg press more than they can Smith Machine squat. It is because the 'Base of Support' is stablized more in the Smith Machine than it is in squatting freely. And the 'Base of Support' is stabilzed even more in the leg press than it is in the Smith Machine.

**Yawn!! There is alot more than base of support to why people can leg press more than they squat!! Its got nothing to do with involving stabiliser muscles, or the nice angle the sled is at, right?

**As far as the ice rink analogy goes.....you assume most powerlifters dont have the sense to use footwear that lets them grip the floor!! I havent yet seen anybody miss a squat because their feet slid out due to lack of grip.

You have been a ref for a long time and you don't even know the most basic of Physics principles? I you don't understand how one can be ref in the sport if they don't even understand basic Physics and have never even taken Physics 101.

**What has physics to do with being a judge? Surely he has to assess within the lifter satisfies the criteria for passing the lift? Where does physics come into it?

Go and sign up for Physics 101 at your local Community College then you will have much better understanding of what you are watching at a powerlifting meet.

**Why dont you take your negative, narrow-minded attitudes and your excessive ego (I assume thats why you arent prepared to consider alternative views to your own) and shove......ah nevermind.

 

[tlhc]

i don't know much about powerlifting, the rules, the different associations or the suits and shirts
and i probably know less about physics

but if i could stand upright with 1000lbs on my traps, no matter how many layers of suits i have on or if i have my feet pressed out against the monolift, i would be happy

i mean,... 1000lbs,...... far beyond impressiv
i would probably look like this with 1000lbs on my shoulders:

 

[brianmincher]

When are you raw, natural, and guys used to be stronger back in the old days guys going to quit being whiny bitches?

If you hate powerlifting so much, get off the board. I have never heard a gear user rip into a raw man to even a remote percentage of what these raw advocates do to those who use gear. What gives? If Vogelpohl is really weak, and you are really strong, then go out in his unfair equipment and squat 1500 lbs.

You guys with all this raw, natural strength should have no problem doing this meager feat if someone as weak as Chuck Vogelpohl can do it. What is your excuse about why Chuck is in the neighborhood of an 800 lb deadlift. Equipment doesn't do shit for a deadlift. Could it be that this guy is actually strong and you need an excuse for why a guy with skinnier legs than yours can outsquat you by so much?

Go somewhere else, you are using up valuable space.

 

[PowFit]

That is a good point. Not many people on the planet can even get 1,000 off the rack. It is a huge feat and should be respected.

If you are tough enough to bitch about his lifting on the forum, you should be tough enough to bitch about it to his face. Right? I don't see that happening though. I respect everybody until they disrespect me or my powerlifting brothers. If you are bringing negativity into the game, you are screwing the entire powerlifting community. My life's work has been to bring powerlifting to a new level and if you screw with that.. I take it personal. If you cannot contribute something positive, GET THE HELL OUT!

 

[flex-mb]

PowFit... if you take it personal then that is YOUR problem (it is NOT personal!). I wasn't personally attacking you as you are me! If you can't take the critcism/opinion, THEN YOU GET THE HELL OUT!

Some of you on here are very thin-skinned. If someone says something that you disagree with, then they are automatically wrong. What kind of attitude is that? That is called a close-minded attitude. PowFit... who left you the with the authority to determine who should and who shouldn't be on this board? You don't set/enforce any 'special' criteria here. And why would I bitch to Chuck's face? That is a dumb remark. I don't even know where he lives. As far as what I can lift compared to Chuck it is not even close. None of you are lifting what he is either so using your logic no one can criticize Chuck unless they are moving his poundages. I also already said that Chuck is one strong SOB and of course I have LOTS of respect for him as a powerlifter! I was making points about the technique of squats in powerlifting today.

I have an opinion just like everyone else in this forum. If you don't like it then go back and cry to your mommy. I respect all other's opinions in this forum. I am only asking that you respect mine.

I will tone it down. I have been 'ranting' too much and I apologize for that.

1-dawg - I am sorry for getting personal on the post about 'Physics' - that was uncalled for.

 

[1-dawg]

Take it personally -- nope, but I still don' think you have a clue as to what you are talking about. These olympic lifters you are referring to well, I always hear about these lifts they do -- 900lbs squat, no gear -- well let's see it. There may be a few, but I would be willing to bet they ain't from the us. I have heard alexiev(sp) could do close to that.

 

[flex-mb]

1-dawg. I have several 'training hall tapes' from Ironmind Enterprises. These tapes are like home videos. Randall J. Strossen tapes these lifters. He is about five five feet away most times. The training halll tape from before the 98' worlds in Lahti, Finland, shows 85 kg. (187 lb). Dursin Sevinc from Turkey front squat (narrow stance, with only a belt) 280 kgs. which is about 615 lbs. I wonder if he strapped on suit, spread out his stance a foot or so, put the bar low on his traps. if he could not squat at least 800 to 850 lbs??? Most lifters can back squat 20 - 25% more than they can front squat. Also, 77kg (170 lbs) Idalberto Arranda from Cuba (at the end of his 1 hour long workout) squats with only Adidas knee bands 650 lbs. for a double below parallel. That is almost four times his bodyweight. I also think that if he was fresh (at the beginning of his workout) he could do more than that. Ivan Chakarov of Bulgaria, a 91 kg lifter - 200 lbs. -from back in the mid nineties could squat 350 kg (770 lbs.) in an Olympic style, no belt, no wraps and no suit. He also squatted 270 kgs. - 600 lbs. for three reps in the same fashion. His butt is about 5 inches from the floor at the bottom of each rep. I wonder if in a powerlifting style squat he couldn't do more??? A super haavy (who at the time was lifting for Bulgaria and weighed 260 lbs.) squatted 320 kg - 705 lbs. at the end of an absolutely ferocious one hour long workout (he worked up to near max attempts in the Snatch and C & J. He then squatted Olympic style. He walked the out 705 lbs. out of the Vulcan racks, bar high on his traps, no wraps, no belt and no spotter and proceeded to squat below parallel. Imagine if he was fresh and used a powerlifting style squat with all of the equipment. I am sure he could do 900 lbs., easy.

Check out www.ironmind.com and order a couple of their training hall tapes. Then you will see for yourself. Even Louie Simmons himself stated in a recent powerlifting USA article that a shot putter from former East Germany (Udo Beyer) could squat 952 lbs. with only a belt. The first Westerners proved and documented these huge squats back in the early 80's. David Rigert (I believe he weighed around 200 lbs or so, did 675 lbs. for three reps in an Oympic style squat in front of US observers. Evgeny Popov a former Bulgarian Super Heavy squatted with only a belt. Olympic Style back in the 8o's 410 kg (900 lbs.). He also moved to the US and tried to powerlift, but bombed. His bench was always weak though he could do 550 'raw' and he was at the end of his career and he couldn't speak or understand any English as of that time. Olympic lifters only last 8 - 12 years because of their insane training programs. The proof is there 1-dawg. Olympic Lifters from Overseas could also care less about the American powerlifitng scene (that is whay they don;t lift over here). Most are goverment employess and hereos tot he countrymen. What would you rather do...compete at PL meet in front of 500 people or be on the stage at the Olympics competing for a medal? There is no money in either sport, but Olympic lifters overseas have a pretty good life (by their standards), have a chance to become an Olympic Champion (not all do of course) and are National heros. Please, if you dispute these types of claims purchase a training hall tape or two and see for yourself.

 

[Hannibal]

You know I have sat back and watched this thread deteriorate. Chuck strapped 1000lbs to his back...made depth according to the judges...and came back up to a standing position. All at a bodyweight of 220lbs. So what the fuck is the discussion about. Heavywear posted a link so you could see this feat. He didnt post a thread sayin who is better Olympic Lifters or Powerlifters....who the fuck cares. They are two seperate sports. And then of course there is the equipment issue. What he was wearin was within the rules of the federation. For those that dont like it find another federation. And for those that dont even compete..but like to take an ivory tower approach...get on the platform before you criticize.

*editted to say that the Physics argument makes no sense. In order for him to get extra leverage by pushing his feet against the monolift...his feet would have to be parallel to the supports. His feet, however, are clearly turned way out. The only part of his feet that are touching are the outer upper portion and a couple toes. Any one that squats knows you dont squat from your toes. In order for him to get any leverage from that....he would have to push from his heals and pushing backwards. Which would throw off his center of gravity and he would have dumped the bar forward.