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AFeedz said:
All I know in regard to health is in 1995, I went to my great grandma's 101st birthday party, and she was a meat eater and that when she did go, it wasn't due to any specific disease. Just old body parts.

And there are lots of ways to get meat that's not so mass produced they need to suffer the ways described in this thread. I'm all for the humane treatment of animals. ALL for it, but its hardly fair to pretend all meat comes from animals treated that way. No. You make choices on where you buy it from. It's like condemning anyone who owns a puppy because puppy mills exist. It just doesn't make sense.
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Have you read The China Study or watched Forks Over Knives?
 
pdaddyII said:
Have you read The China Study or watched Forks Over Knives?
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Haven't watched the film. Have read the book.

The study(ies) don't change the my great grandma probably lived longer than most, if any of you, will. Didn't die of cancer or disease. Should you be a carnivorous glutton? Probably not. But if that lady lived on pig, cow and bird for 101 years, it doesn't seem to be so deadly.

I assume you've also read the multiple papers out about The China Study's flaws in both its subject and reporting and known biases, including its choice to parade correlation as causation.
 
AFeedz said:
Haven't watched the film. Have read the book.

The study(ies) don't change the my great grandma probably lived longer than most, if any of you, will. Didn't die of cancer or disease. Should you be a carnivorous glutton? Probably not. But if that lady lived on pig, cow and bird for 101 years, it doesn't seem to be so deadly.

I assume you've also read the multiple papers out about The China Study's flaws in both its subject and reporting and known biases, including its choice to parade correlation as causation.
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Translation; you need more citationings!
 
As long as the meat tastes good then i dont give a royal fuck where it came from, how it was treated, how it was killed, whether its grass fed, corn fed, spaghetti fed, who gives a fuck
 
As a society we shouldbe more concerned with how vegans treat their fucking vegetables. Have you see how they brutally rape a carrot before they steam it to death? Talk about ghory. Fucking sick!

Plus they eat stuff that doesnt even fucking taste good
 
As a tribute to eating animals, I give you this!














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Why does it look like she is chewing on a detached vag?
 
AFeedz said:
Haven't watched the film. Have read the book.

The study(ies) don't change the my great grandma probably lived longer than most, if any of you, will. Didn't die of cancer or disease. Should you be a carnivorous glutton? Probably not. But if that lady lived on pig, cow and bird for 101 years, it doesn't seem to be so deadly.

I assume you've also read the multiple papers out about The China Study's flaws in both its subject and reporting and known biases, including its choice to parade correlation as causation.
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Your grandma living that long doesn't mean shit, sorry. There is always the random 101 yr old lifetime smoker as well but that doesn't mean the research and numbers aren't real. How the fuck can you argue with the fact that a vegan diet has been PROVEN to stop and even reverse heart disease, our nations #1 killer? How can you argue the fact vegetarians have a lower incidence rate among ALL cancers?

The China Study is not a reference that is meant to be tailored to any specific lifestyle. With science it is very difficult for anything to ever be 100%, thus causing that 1% to be the focal point of naysayers. The scientific proof and evidence that resulted in the thorough studies almost always showed a 99% probability.

According to the most recent and most comprehensive study done vegetarians have a significantly longer life expectancy. Vegetarians live on average almost eight years longer than the general population, which is similar to the gap between smokers and nonsmokers.

I could really give a shit who wants to eat meat and who doesn't. I'm a vegetarian primarily for the health benefits and have never looked down at those that do eat meat. I do look down on those that are too uneducated or narrow minded to accept the overwhelming evidence. I also am willing to do whatever t takes to lower my chances of dying from our top three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer and stroke. I have seen countless people suffer from all of these and my personal experiences in healthcare has been enough for me to make a major lifestyle change. A vegetarian diet has been PROVEN to reduce the risks and even reverse all three of these.


Here is a link to the study, please check it out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/kathy-freston/plant-based-diet_b_1981838.html
 
pdaddyII said:
Your grandma living that long doesn't mean shit, sorry. There is always the random 101 yr old lifetime smoker as well but that doesn't mean the research and numbers aren't real. How the fuck can you argue with the fact that a vegan diet has been PROVEN to stop and even reverse heart disease, our nations #1 killer? How can you argue the fact vegetarians have a lower incidence rate among ALL cancers?

The China Study is not a reference that is meant to be tailored to any specific lifestyle. With science it is very difficult for anything to ever be 100%, thus causing that 1% to be the focal point of naysayers. The scientific proof and evidence that resulted in the thorough studies almost always showed a 99% probability.

According to the most recent and most comprehensive study done vegetarians have a significantly longer life expectancy. Vegetarians live on average almost eight years longer than the general population, which is similar to the gap between smokers and nonsmokers.

I could really give a shit who wants to eat meat and who doesn't. I'm a vegetarian primarily for the health benefits and have never looked down at those that do eat meat. I do look down on those that are too uneducated or narrow minded to accept the overwhelming evidence. I also am willing to do whatever t takes to lower my chances of dying from our top three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer and stroke. I have seen countless people suffer from all of these and my personal experiences in healthcare has been enough for me to make a major lifestyle change. A vegetarian diet has been PROVEN to reduce the risks and even reverse all three of these.


Here is a link to the study, please check it out.
Kathy Freston: Why Do Vegetarians Live Longer?
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Aren't these all also characteristics of a reduced calorie diet?
 
The hypothesis that suppressing carbohydrates could suppress or slow cancer growth is supported by a lot of laboratory science. The pair explain that complex carbohydrates are ultimately digested as glucose, which can cause tumor cells to proliferate....

The commonplace advice to avoid dietary fat is not a good recommendation to give cancer patients. "They should eat a lot of fat and avoid sugar," Dr. Freedland noted.
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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/778613

we'll follow this research closely.
 
pdaddyII said:
Your grandma living that long doesn't mean shit, sorry. There is always the random 101 yr old lifetime smoker as well but that doesn't mean the research and numbers aren't real. How the fuck can you argue with the fact that a vegan diet has been PROVEN to stop and even reverse heart disease, our nations #1 killer? How can you argue the fact vegetarians have a lower incidence rate among ALL cancers?

The China Study is not a reference that is meant to be tailored to any specific lifestyle. With science it is very difficult for anything to ever be 100%, thus causing that 1% to be the focal point of naysayers. The scientific proof and evidence that resulted in the thorough studies almost always showed a 99% probability.

According to the most recent and most comprehensive study done vegetarians have a significantly longer life expectancy. Vegetarians live on average almost eight years longer than the general population, which is similar to the gap between smokers and nonsmokers.

I could really give a shit who wants to eat meat and who doesn't. I'm a vegetarian primarily for the health benefits and have never looked down at those that do eat meat. I do look down on those that are too uneducated or narrow minded to accept the overwhelming evidence. I also am willing to do whatever t takes to lower my chances of dying from our top three biggest killers: heart disease, cancer and stroke. I have seen countless people suffer from all of these and my personal experiences in healthcare has been enough for me to make a major lifestyle change. A vegetarian diet has been PROVEN to reduce the risks and even reverse all three of these.


Here is a link to the study, please check it out.
Kathy Freston: Why Do Vegetarians Live Longer?
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So vegetarians live on average 8 years longer than the general population, you say? Women also live about that much longer than men, so I guess I can keep eating meat, you can stay vegetarian, and we'll live just about the same time. :)

I'm going to ignore the uneducated and narrow minded comments though, because I know those couldn't possible be referencing me when your referencing flawed studies. You sent me a link to a HuffPo article that references another HuffPo article that references a study of 7th Day Adventists' diets? Sounds very representative of the entire population.

Tell me this, you study someone who exercises, eats no meat, puts nothing else unhealthy in their body (smoke, drugs, yadda yadda). Then you study someone who does eat meat, but also isn't as likely to exercise, most certainly eats unclean/processed food, and is likely to drink/smoke/whatever. *Then* you shockingly find that one group is healthier than the other, and you're going to tell me that you've controlled all those variables enough to come out of that study saying meat is the reason? Oook.

Find me a study where those same vegetarians are compared to a person who eats meat in moderation, eats clean, puts nothing toxic in their body, and exercises exactly as much and tell me how much longer vegetarians live than those people, and I'll listen. Til then, you haven't PROVEN anything besides that processed food and toxins aren't good for you, but we all know that.

There's some interesting stuff in there though, like that about 3.7% of the Adventist (vegetarian) participants had fibromyalgia compared to the 2% national average. That's almost double. Weird.

It also says people who participate in secular activities on Saturdays have poorer physical health than those who attend church those days, so I assume I'll see you at mass this Saturday, bro?
 
AFeedz said:
So vegetarians live on average 8 years longer than the general population, you say? Women also live about that much longer than men, so I guess I can keep eating meat, you can stay vegetarian, and we'll live just about the same time. :)

I'm going to ignore the uneducated and narrow minded comments though, because I know those couldn't possible be referencing me when your referencing flawed studies. You sent me a link to a HuffPo article that references another HuffPo article that references a study of 7th Day Adventists' diets? Sounds very representative of the entire population.

Tell me this, you study someone who exercises, eats no meat, puts nothing else unhealthy in their body (smoke, drugs, yadda yadda). Then you study someone who does eat meat, but also isn't as likely to exercise, most certainly eats unclean/processed food, and is likely to drink/smoke/whatever. *Then* you shockingly find that one group is healthier than the other, and you're going to tell me that you've controlled all those variables enough to come out of that study saying meat is the reason? Oook.

Find me a study where those same vegetarians are compared to a person who eats meat in moderation, eats clean, puts nothing toxic in their body, and exercises exactly as much and tell me how much longer vegetarians live than those people, and I'll listen. Til then, you haven't PROVEN anything besides that processed food and toxins aren't good for you, but we all know that.

There's some interesting stuff in there though, like that about 3.7% of the Adventist (vegetarian) participants had fibromyalgia compared to the 2% national average. That's almost double. Weird.

It also says people who participate in secular activities on Saturdays have poorer physical health than those who attend church those days, so I assume I'll see you at mass this Saturday, bro?
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Agreed.

When it comes to diet, lifestyle and health it's almost impossible to tease-out causality versus correlation.
 
AFeedz said:
So vegetarians live on average 8 years longer than the general population, you say? Women also live about that much longer than men, so I guess I can keep eating meat, you can stay vegetarian, and we'll live just about the same time. :)

I'm going to ignore the uneducated and narrow minded comments though, because I know those couldn't possible be referencing me when your referencing flawed studies. You sent me a link to a HuffPo article that references another HuffPo article that references a study of 7th Day Adventists' diets? Sounds very representative of the entire population.

Tell me this, you study someone who exercises, eats no meat, puts nothing else unhealthy in their body (smoke, drugs, yadda yadda). Then you study someone who does eat meat, but also isn't as likely to exercise, most certainly eats unclean/processed food, and is likely to drink/smoke/whatever. *Then* you shockingly find that one group is healthier than the other, and you're going to tell me that you've controlled all those variables enough to come out of that study saying meat is the reason? Oook.

Find me a study where those same vegetarians are compared to a person who eats meat in moderation, eats clean, puts nothing toxic in their body, and exercises exactly as much and tell me how much longer vegetarians live than those people, and I'll listen. Til then, you haven't PROVEN anything besides that processed food and toxins aren't good for you, but we all know that.

There's some interesting stuff in there though, like that about 3.7% of the Adventist (vegetarian) participants had fibromyalgia compared to the 2% national average. That's almost double. Weird.

It also says people who participate in secular activities on Saturdays have poorer physical health than those who attend church those days, so I assume I'll see you at mass this Saturday, bro?
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aye girl, lemme grill you some pork chops
 
smurf2 said:
As long as the meat tastes good then i dont give a royal fuck where it came from, how it was treated, how it was killed, whether its grass fed, corn fed, spaghetti fed, who gives a fuck
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There's a shocker!! Pat, I would like to buy a soul and conscience or 100$
And you raise kids...scary shit!
 
smurf2 said:
That post had nothing to do with you but ok.

Are you detoxing this morning after your binge drinking last night? Alcohol contains a lot of toxins
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LOL @ the Internet Naturo-Fraudo-WitchDoctor-oPath getting drunk.

I'm sure she sprinkled some oregano in her drinks which turned the alcohol into a health elixer.
 
And she recently discovered tequila well into her 40's

Which is actually cool since it makes her a little Texanish
 
Apparently veggies makes you sensitive...continued exposure to a vegan diet might result in the growth of a vagina
 
So Bluewhale, how are your own children doing?

Are you raising them according to your principles? How old are they? Are they professionally successful?
 
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