Users of Deca

[krishna]

mast prop or e

Prolly kick it with some prop, but add some mast e too to go along with the long deca ester.

 

[Magick69]

What were you doses and results/sides/etc.? What did you stack it with? I'm thinking of running it alone soon and am trying to figure out how high I should go. What's the highest you've done? Include sides/results please.

i am planning to this type of cycle

1-4 NPP 300 mg
5-7 nolva, tribex, cee
8-11 NPP 300 mg
Pct

I read this artcile by Rea (http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/030324.htm ; see below)

he adviced small cycle of deca up to 4 weeks and 400 mg to maximize gains and avoid deca dick. what do u think of a cycle like this:

you may want to read this..


Q: In your first year sample cycles section for the male (In Chemical Muscle Enhancement), the cycle outlined for weeks 1-4 is 200 mg deca per week. now that much deca per week is less anabolic than what the natural test (HPTA) can produce (test being stronger than nandrolone mg to mg) . and because of the ester attached to nandrolone , 4 weeks long is hardly enough for blood levels to reach a constant level .

Also , how is deca easy on the HTPA , you go ahead and say post cycle meds are not necessary as deca is easy on the HTPA which we from multiple examples know is so not true , cases of testicular shrinkage , limp dick etc are so much reported normally on a deca only cycle sir . Can you please explain your logic behind this ??

You also mention cytomel increased cellular androgen receptor clearing (pg 181 and 182 in the book). How true is this sir ??

Looking forward to your answers to these questions sir , thanks .


A: Nandrolone is actually more anabolic but less androgenic than testosterone and as such allows an increase in muscle protein synthesis in excess of that seen with testosterone. So the next question should obviously be "why then does testosterone deliver more weight gain then nandrolone?" Since nandrolone is about 80% less affected by aromatase when compared to testosterone, it should seem obvious that the lack of GLUT-4 (increased muscle glycogen synthesis) activity will also result in a decrease in intracellular content but not cellular wall protein synthesis. Since we are speaking of post-cycle retention as well here we would be in error if we included the on-cycle increase in the body’s water table from estrogen/aldosterone resulting from the higher aromatizing testosterone in our comparison.

When we employ brief cycles of 4 weeks, a 200mg dosage of nandrolone decanoate would have an additive effect to the endogenous (naturally produced in the body) testosterone for the first 3 weeks. For a novice this accounts for about twice the normal rate of anabolism possible if diet is correct (anabolism is not potentiated unless the macronutrient environment is as well). Many do not realize that the body actually produces about 150mg of testosterone weekly. It circulates about 50mg of testosterone weekly, but it produces about 150mg. Much testosterone is lost to enzymic conversion to 4-androstenediols and various intermediates of DHT. So in essence we are creating a close hormone environment comparison to that realized at about week 6 of a 200mg each testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate protocol.

The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).

Normal

Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml

Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml

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[immortalis]

550 Test E/500 Deca for 12 weeks... at the end of the cycle, i was 40 pounds heavier with a good amount of bloating even tho I used AIFM throughout. After dropping the water over the next couple weeks, i ended up with a solid 30 pounds of muscle.

Was one of my favorite bulkers thus far. I was probably able to see such great gains because I had been out of the gym for roughly 4 years, and had dropped down to nearly 180 pounds. The most I ever weighed in college was 216, and at the end of this cycle I was at 223. Ended up holding at 210, and ive been around there give or take 5 pounds ever since. That cycle ended in May of last year.

I had no problems recovering, but I went quickly into a long cutter consisting of Test/EQ/winny and I ended up getting some gyno symptoms so I jumped on some letro and it destroyed my sex drive. It took me a lil while to recover from that, and because of that I am a lil hesitant to put long lasting nandralones in my body. I will use NPP the next time I decide to use "deca" in a cycle.

However my next cycle is going to be Prop/TrenA

 

[OMEGA]

500 Test 300 Deca

sides of too much test are obvious and east to manage, sides of deca are sneaky lol, and while AI use can help, you will know when you go to far.

best way to cut sides is to use NPP OR if you are using Durabolin you better cut out the next 2 to 3 doses till blood levels subside.

have done the latter and it works

 

[DesertRocker]

My very first cycle was 2 cc of QV deca 300 a week, for 10 weeks. Used it to bulk for footballworking out twice a day and eating everything in my path i gained 30 pounds. Had some bloating from waterwieght but it was still a great easy cycle very nice strength gains also!

 

[krishna]

My very first cycle was 2 cc of QV deca 300 a week, for 10 weeks. Used it to bulk for footballworking out twice a day and eating everything in my path i gained 30 pounds. Had some bloating from waterwieght but it was still a great easy cycle very nice strength gains also!

600 a week? How was your libido?

 

[fbodyguy02]

My bulker this past winter included Deca (which is the first time I had used it)consisted of only 200mg Deca ew, and 500mg Test E ew for 10 weeks. Gained 15 lbs and kept 10.

I will say that strength and size increase was nice, but my body looked "puffy" and I gained an inch on my waist. (Diet could have been cleaner)

Next time I will go for 400mg EW of deca.

Best of luck on your cycle, hopefully your body responds well to it.

 

[cop]

Ya dude but I'm gonna run it solo so I'm gonna have to do more than that for some decent gains. Might add masteron to it. isn't solo anymore bro

 

[strength_honor]

800 test e, 600 deca, and 50mgs a day d-bol. Great gains.

Getch

 

[krishna]

Ya dude but I'm gonna run it solo so I'm gonna have to do more than that for some decent gains. Might add masteron to it. isn't solo anymore bro

Thanks for pointing that out captain obvious.