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My first cycle 10 years ago was 750 mgs of sust-250 for 8-10 weeks and deca at 600 mgs for about 8 weeks. People either hate deca or love it. I personaly thinks it's one the best to stack with. For me the gains were easier to keep than some other cycles I've had. Some say not to go above 400 mgs of deca to avoid sides. I've never had any bad sides from it. First cycle I gained well over 30 lbs and had some explaining to do the family because everybody was asking if I was steroids. I have dreams about deca yellow tops once in a while ...good stuff.
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niv
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im on 500 test and 400 deca right now and aside from some bloat the gains are awsome!
solidspine
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Ii is hard to imagine deca without test.
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ALIN
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krishna said:
for best results deca should be used at 2mg per lb of bodyweight.
Magick69
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krishna said:
i am planning to this type of cycle
1-4 NPP 300 mg
5-7 nolva, tribex, cee
8-11 NPP 300 mg
Pct
I read this artcile by Rea (http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/rea/030324.htm ; see below)
he adviced small cycle of deca up to 4 weeks and 400 mg to maximize gains and avoid deca dick. what do u think of a cycle like this:
you may want to read this..
Q: In your first year sample cycles section for the male (In Chemical Muscle Enhancement), the cycle outlined for weeks 1-4 is 200 mg deca per week. now that much deca per week is less anabolic than what the natural test (HPTA) can produce (test being stronger than nandrolone mg to mg) . and because of the ester attached to nandrolone , 4 weeks long is hardly enough for blood levels to reach a constant level .
Also , how is deca easy on the HTPA , you go ahead and say post cycle meds are not necessary as deca is easy on the HTPA which we from multiple examples know is so not true , cases of testicular shrinkage , limp dick etc are so much reported normally on a deca only cycle sir . Can you please explain your logic behind this ??
You also mention cytomel increased cellular androgen receptor clearing (pg 181 and 182 in the book). How true is this sir ??
Looking forward to your answers to these questions sir , thanks .
A: Nandrolone is actually more anabolic but less androgenic than testosterone and as such allows an increase in muscle protein synthesis in excess of that seen with testosterone. So the next question should obviously be "why then does testosterone deliver more weight gain then nandrolone?" Since nandrolone is about 80% less affected by aromatase when compared to testosterone, it should seem obvious that the lack of GLUT-4 (increased muscle glycogen synthesis) activity will also result in a decrease in intracellular content but not cellular wall protein synthesis. Since we are speaking of post-cycle retention as well here we would be in error if we included the on-cycle increase in the body’s water table from estrogen/aldosterone resulting from the higher aromatizing testosterone in our comparison.
When we employ brief cycles of 4 weeks, a 200mg dosage of nandrolone decanoate would have an additive effect to the endogenous (naturally produced in the body) testosterone for the first 3 weeks. For a novice this accounts for about twice the normal rate of anabolism possible if diet is correct (anabolism is not potentiated unless the macronutrient environment is as well). Many do not realize that the body actually produces about 150mg of testosterone weekly. It circulates about 50mg of testosterone weekly, but it produces about 150mg. Much testosterone is lost to enzymic conversion to 4-androstenediols and various intermediates of DHT. So in essence we are creating a close hormone environment comparison to that realized at about week 6 of a 200mg each testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate protocol.
The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).
Normal
Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml
Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml
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immortalis
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550 Test E/500 Deca for 12 weeks... at the end of the cycle, i was 40 pounds heavier with a good amount of bloating even tho I used AIFM throughout. After dropping the water over the next couple weeks, i ended up with a solid 30 pounds of muscle.
Was one of my favorite bulkers thus far. I was probably able to see such great gains because I had been out of the gym for roughly 4 years, and had dropped down to nearly 180 pounds. The most I ever weighed in college was 216, and at the end of this cycle I was at 223. Ended up holding at 210, and ive been around there give or take 5 pounds ever since. That cycle ended in May of last year.
I had no problems recovering, but I went quickly into a long cutter consisting of Test/EQ/winny and I ended up getting some gyno symptoms so I jumped on some letro and it destroyed my sex drive. It took me a lil while to recover from that, and because of that I am a lil hesitant to put long lasting nandralones in my body. I will use NPP the next time I decide to use "deca" in a cycle.
However my next cycle is going to be Prop/TrenA
Was one of my favorite bulkers thus far. I was probably able to see such great gains because I had been out of the gym for roughly 4 years, and had dropped down to nearly 180 pounds. The most I ever weighed in college was 216, and at the end of this cycle I was at 223. Ended up holding at 210, and ive been around there give or take 5 pounds ever since. That cycle ended in May of last year.
I had no problems recovering, but I went quickly into a long cutter consisting of Test/EQ/winny and I ended up getting some gyno symptoms so I jumped on some letro and it destroyed my sex drive. It took me a lil while to recover from that, and because of that I am a lil hesitant to put long lasting nandralones in my body. I will use NPP the next time I decide to use "deca" in a cycle.
However my next cycle is going to be Prop/TrenA
500 Test 300 Deca
sides of too much test are obvious and east to manage, sides of deca are sneaky lol, and while AI use can help, you will know when you go to far.
best way to cut sides is to use NPP OR if you are using Durabolin you better cut out the next 2 to 3 doses till blood levels subside.
have done the latter and it works
sides of too much test are obvious and east to manage, sides of deca are sneaky lol, and while AI use can help, you will know when you go to far.
best way to cut sides is to use NPP OR if you are using Durabolin you better cut out the next 2 to 3 doses till blood levels subside.
have done the latter and it works
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DesertRocker
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My very first cycle was 2 cc of QV deca 300 a week, for 10 weeks. Used it to bulk for footballworking out twice a day and eating everything in my path i gained 30 pounds. Had some bloating from waterwieght but it was still a great easy cycle very nice strength gains also!
fbodyguy02
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My bulker this past winter included Deca (which is the first time I had used it)consisted of only 200mg Deca ew, and 500mg Test E ew for 10 weeks. Gained 15 lbs and kept 10.
I will say that strength and size increase was nice, but my body looked "puffy" and I gained an inch on my waist. (Diet could have been cleaner)
Next time I will go for 400mg EW of deca.
Best of luck on your cycle, hopefully your body responds well to it.
I will say that strength and size increase was nice, but my body looked "puffy" and I gained an inch on my waist. (Diet could have been cleaner)
Next time I will go for 400mg EW of deca.
Best of luck on your cycle, hopefully your body responds well to it.
strength_honor
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800 test e, 600 deca, and 50mgs a day d-bol. Great gains.
Getch
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string_bean00
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I've run 400mg and 600mg. Never had any sides with it. Always makes me bigger/fuller but doesn't do much for strength for me.
missionpossible
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I've ran it twice, once at 300mg with 500mg of test e for 10 weeks. The second time I ran 400mg deca with 600mg t400 for 12 weeks. I liked the 10 weeks a little better, as I did get some sides ( less than spectacular erections for about 2 months afterward)on the longer cycle and dident gain as much either. I ran dostinex at .5 E3D on both cycles and Proviron at 25mg daily. Libido was good on both cycles. Gains were pretty good, 15 lbs on the first cycle and about 12 on the second.
string_bean00
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krishna said:
With 500mg of test each time.
is it possible to take deca alone? if you take it alone you will make little gains rite? i heard d-bol suck ass taking it by itself so will deca do any good? dont wanna be freakin huge just beat some people in my class. im only 130lbs and yes i have a good diet and training. currently trying to bulk. o yeah, im only planning on doing it during the summer (1st cycle) prob for 6 weeks. any good suggetions on how much to use and what would be the side affects of 1 cycle? i know tribex boosted test but will it lower estrogen?
I did test c 150mg plus deca 150mg twice a week with 20 mgs nap p/day. That's a grand total of 740 mg plus per week. 8 weeks.
Gained a solid 15 pounds. Not as strong as test p + phenobolone plus anavar
Worst side effect was delayed climax ... I mean like an hour's work. She loved it ... I hated it.
Gained a solid 15 pounds. Not as strong as test p + phenobolone plus anavar
Worst side effect was delayed climax ... I mean like an hour's work. She loved it ... I hated it.
Cauliflower Ear
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rock a gram of deca alone....that guy is nuts...yeah do it if you don't wanna fuck ever again...
seriously...i dont know what is up with people and these huge dosages...deca at 400mg ew is great...bloat is prevelent at that dose so i couldnt even think about 800mg or 1000mg
seriously...i dont know what is up with people and these huge dosages...deca at 400mg ew is great...bloat is prevelent at that dose so i couldnt even think about 800mg or 1000mg
are you talking about me??? anyway for the other question im only 16. so far take whey, creatine, multi, greens, tribex, diet, training, and sleep.
i've hit a plateua and im stuck. changed my routine and it didnt do much. eating constantly every two hours possible and so. just wonder if deca or SOMETHING that can help add me bout 10-15lbs of muscle.
i've hit a plateua and im stuck. changed my routine and it didnt do much. eating constantly every two hours possible and so. just wonder if deca or SOMETHING that can help add me bout 10-15lbs of muscle.
Illuminati
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krishna said:
i have run it at various levels:
sus 500mg/week
Deca 400mg/week
sus 750mg/week
Deca600mg/week
tren E 200mg/EOD
Sus 1250mg/week
Deca 1050mg/week
EQ 800mg/week
**I ran dbol with each of these, can't remember how much with each one, but it was 40-50mg/day on the second 2, and i went as high as 100mg/day on the first.
i have never run it alone. best of the three was the second one. I did not run any anti-E, and had no problems. blood pressure got a little high due to the dbol, but other than that I was fine.
you'll put on some water weight, but once you come off, you will be left with a thing of beauty.
krishna
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Cauliflower Ear said:
I'm running it alone bro so I need a decent dose to get some gains. If I run anything with it, it will be masteron or var - something mild. The only compound that fucks up my libido is test. I've ran deca with eq and my willy was fine. I'm running tren alone right now and my libido is good to go.
krishna said:
Don't do Deca alone unless you desire the following:
1) The infamous Deca Dick while you're on, and for extended period after your cycle has concluded. This may last up to/exceeding one year, or, worst case scenario, your libido becomes permaf**ked.
2) Because of a lack of Androgens, and the extremely suppresive nature of Deca on the HPTA, you may experience major depression and mood swings. A friend of mine almost went out of his mind on an all-Deca cycle.
3) Bloat like there's no tommorow, and E2 related fat deposits.
4) Difficulty keeping your gains, even with a good PCT. Again, this is due to Deca's seemingly neverending longevity, and subsequent suppresion upon the HPTA.
Personally, I think Deca is shit. Yeah, it'll get you big, but f**k does it have some nasty sides. The myth that Deca is safe, is just that - a myth.
If I were you, and wished to do a single steroid cycle, I'd first opt for Winstrol-V, and if you can't get your hands on that, Equipoise.
Illuminati
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krishna said:
masteron is a great product. you will absolutely love it. you will be able to train on a calorie reduce diet, and still make gains. you will start to notice more vascularity with it. if you have it, run it. most people use it last few weeks pre contest to shed extra water weight. i'm running it for 8 at 500, with some other products. about half way through. if you're interested, i'll keep you updated.
Illuminati
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krishna said:
here's what i'm running:
1g test
800 Npp
500 Masteron
T3 (just threw T3 in this a few days ago. started at 50, and will be ramping up to 100 starting tomorrow)
at the start, I was 225, 13%bf. (i'm 5'10") i've dropped 7lbs. my strength has continued to go up, and i have a lot more energy in the gym. i'm starting to show a lot more definition. veins are popping out in more places than ever. i'm really excited for the next few weeks to see how much more my body will change.
i've ran a lot of different products, but i will say that masteron is one of my favorites. its really a toss up between Tren E and Masteron. Tren might take a slight edge because of the strength gains, but only by a little. i think next time i will run the two together.
Cauliflower Ear
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krishna said:
just seems like a lot of deca bro...for me...i get shut down with that shit...and i need test with it....but if test shuts down your libido...then go ahead with the deca...I would say masteron over var so you can get some androgens in there...you know? it is important to have good anabolic androgenic ratios...and deca is all anabolic...var is too...mast has a good level of androgens...
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abomb-2001
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My good friend runs 300 mg a week for HRT and absolutely LOVES it. He can't run test because of anger management issues. He never complains of deca dick or gyno symptoms. I would use NPP if I were to try nandrolone again. Seems to have less bloat and sides.
Pat_McCrotch
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socom4 said:
Dude your 16!!!! You dont need this shit. Alls your gunna do is fuck your shit up in the long run. Eat eat eat eat and youll be fine.
ok no offence to you krishna cause you obviously have more experience with gear than me but isnt a deca only course complete stupidity? well according to all the bros on here it is? cause i posted the same thing as you a few weeks ago and got flamed to death!! not that i was even contemplating doing it i was jus asking. apparently its for morons! i jus qouting what i was called lol. peace
Bruce
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i ran deca 600mg ew for 10 weeks and gained unreal with no sides. when i ran it with test enth at 500mg and deca at 600mg i lost dick function and could not cum for a long time. it sucked. you know this krish. just letting others know that test is not always a must with deca. i'll never touch it again though i'll run tren and npp without test and just proviron. its not worth the chance, but like i said i ran deca 600mg ew for 10 weeks with winny at 50mg ed for the last 5 or so. i didn't know shit then. but it was a great cycle.
Illuminati
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krishna said:
Krishna,
told you I would keep you updated on my cycle w/Sus, Masteron and T3.
I decided to end it early. In 6 weeks, I lost 14lbs (went from 225 to 211) and my BF stayed the same (9%). all that i did in regards to my diet, was not eat fast food any more. other than that, I ate whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. I don't count cals, but if I had to guess, I averaged about 3k-3.5k per day.
I also changed my training up, as my goals have changed. I have been a PLer for the past 4 years, and have always trained using WSB (Westside Barbell) principles. I'm still training for strength, but not as heavy as I was, as now my training goals are geared more towards MMA, and less towards PLing. The biggest change in my training has been cardio. No, I dont run on a treadmill, ride a bike or anything like that.
I get all my cardio from Kickboxing and Submission Wrestling.
Tuesdays 1hr kickboxing
Thurs 1hr Submission Wrestling/1hr Kickboxing
Friday 1hr Submission Wrestling
Sundays 1hr kickboxing, 1hr Sub. Wrestling, and 30 mins of sparring.
I have just added Wednesdays (1hr of both kickboxing and Submission Wrestling each) as my schedule has changed.
Weight training:
Wednesdays - Back work
Thurs - Bench work (heavy tri, rep work on shoulders)
Friday - Squat/Deadlift work
I am very please how the last 6 weeks went. The only reason why I have decided to end it early, is because I don't like losing weight, and getting under 215. I feel like a skinny ass bitch. I'd rather be around 220is.
For a cutting cycle, I think this would be great for just about anyone. some form of Test (I prefer Sus) masteron and T3. If I had it to do over, I would add Tren in as well.
solidspine
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To answer your question
I am on
800mg deca per week 1-12
2 gram Test E per week 1-12
Anti E
PCT
So much protein, dogs, cats. raccoons, and coyotes, follow me from the house to the car every day.
I am on
800mg deca per week 1-12
2 gram Test E per week 1-12
Anti E
PCT
So much protein, dogs, cats. raccoons, and coyotes, follow me from the house to the car every day.
