Either everyone on this board has never ventured beyond the world of NTBM & PF, or they're too scared to talk about products from outside companies.
Try Blue Up by controlled Labs it's got test boosters, avenacosides, all the goodies. Stack it with the usual Forma, some DAA, a serm, etc... They have a stim-free version and one with caffeine. Done. We can all sleep at nights now.
Don't get me wrong though, I almost never venture outside of NTBM's & Mr.Supps' products either. They're simply the best supps/best ingredients, but it's good to know what our other options are out there & have a larger scope.