Ultimate fat loss stack

[SpyWizard]

eq makes my appetite increase.. so no eq..

eca crash and burn and the clen makes it look like i'm a speed freak on crack needing another hit..

OTC thermogenic (don't want to sound like a commercial

otc stim that will give you energy without a crash..

diet = eating plan .. is the best way to go..

more muscle means more energy to keep the body going, so build up your legs and back.. easiest to get to grow since they are the largest and usually the most neglected..

 

[access]

500mgs of test or just test only for an "Ultimate fatt loss stack"? IMO thats garbage.

Then you really don't know how to utilise gear properly.

1st off 500mgs of test weekly is too much test when his main goal is fat loss. It doesnt matter if it's his first cycle.

It matters to me that it is his first cycle and Test alone will do wonders regardless and somewhere between 350-500mgs for most first time users will ellicit excellent resluts in not only muscle growth but also body fat reduction

He wanted "Ultimate" fat loss stack so I gave my opinion. I outlined a great combo to get shredded.

Far from it. Eq increases appetite in most users so this is hardly beneficial when trying to loose body fat unless you have some expereince with it and understand how to work with it but even then if your one of the ones that has an insatiable appetitie when running Eq you shouldn't be considering it for reducing body fat.

6 weeks of injectible Winny is hardly appropriate for a first time cycler also as you have outlined. Then you also want to run Anavar too. Not good advice sorry.

Anavar is a very mild compound and winny kept at 6 weeks is gravy. Who gives a shit if its his 1st cycle?

Clearly you don't but you should be more mindful when handing out advice to new users that stacking multiple compounds is not an ideal way to begin. You have sane doses which is great but still this is not an ideal way to begin.

Like all of a sudden after doing 3 cycles he somehow becomes an expert and is allowed to use 2 compounds now or 3.

The whole concept is to learn as you advance so you have some idea of how your going to react to differing gear going forward and stacking mulitple compounds first time out is not going to help this process. If you had of just stuck to Test and Anavar I might not have had any issue but I really believe your going too far with what you have laid out.

ECA and clen are garbage compared to intense training, twice daily cardio and a perfect diet.

Dont rely on fat burners or clen bro. They make you weaker and burn out quicker. Plus they tend to mess up your sleep pattern.

This is great advice as was your intial advice on cardio although I think an hour is more than necessary after training. On an empty stomach is fine and then 15-30 minutes max after training excluding leg days would be better.

 

[atown777]

great points and well said access. I agree that the winstrol should be dropped. However I dont feel 300mgs of EQ is going to cause an insatiable appetite. I think test/eq at low doses stacked with anavar is a great cycle for cutting even for a newbie. test & eq are both aromatizing compounds and Var is a very mild oral great for dieting and hardening.

he isnt going to get any sides if any with such small doses and I also recommended he use an anti-e as well just to be safe. I wouldnt recommend a newbie doing Anadrol/test/Tren/Deca for a 1st cycle. But surely you cant seriously think 250mgs of test and 300mgs of EQ stacked with var is too much for a 1st cycle? Come on bro, give me a break. There is no difference him doing something mild like that now as his 1st cycle compared to his 3rd of 4th cycle. If he gets sides from using test & eq then he will get sides from most if not all aromatizing compounds. If he were using test & deca his first cycle I would say that is way different story. But even then I know tons of people that do a test/deca/dbol for their first cyle and do not get any issues provided they run moderate 1st timer doses.

Despite everyone claiming "test only" is the best 1st cycle I know of no one that actually just used Test for their 1st cycle. I would say that is largely hypocritical on most people's part. His thread was titled "Ultimate Fat Loss Stack" The word "stack" implies more than one compound. Also as far as doing only 15 to 30 minutes of cardio after weights, well if his goal is to really bust the fat off then that isnt adequate. Look at people who train for the olympics, mixed martial arts fighters and NFL players like wide receivers. They do hours of cardio and have muscular and shredded physiques. People are so paranoid if they do more than 20 minutes cardio all my muscle will just vanish! not true. you can do shit loads of cardio and maintain a solid muscular physique. 1 hour after weights does the trick. Just do it at a low intensity after weights because your glycogen stores are already depleted.

 

[access]

Your missing the point though on the stacking which I is what I was referring to primarily for a first cycle. Your dosages are fine but ideally I would prefer anyone to run Test first time going out. As for nobody doing this and it being largely hypocritical well that is not the case at all. I have mentored many guys (especially younger guys who I assume OP is) into a Test only first cycle and they have had results varying from just ok to incredible. Again this gives you an idea of where to base all future cycles so is a smart choice.

The cardio aspect I only disagreed with the amount after training and you have yourself bought up the glycogen issue for one reason this is not a great idea. On an empty stomach is perfect but after a weight session along with the hour in the AM is not neccessary. The hour in the AM should be enough really if your doing a few days to every day of the week when combined with intense training. Looking to do an hour of cardio after an intense training session is too much when your also doing an hour in the AM. An hour of running should be somewhere between 4-6 miles at an even pace so this is plenty for fat stripping and beyond this will start to affect muscle.

 

[atown777]

I like your points and you are articulate in how you break down your views. Well said brother. I still think low intensity cardio for an hour after weights is a great fat burner even with the AM cardio. Depends on how much fat someone is trying to lose is what it comes down to. If he is already lean then yeah 1 cardio session a day 6 days a week is adequate. For someone who's main goal is fat loss (which I believe that's his gameplan) then 2 sessions a day 6 days a week is ideal. Again, to each his own. You never really know what works best for yourself until you are out there doing it.

 

[access]

You never really know what works best for yourself until you are out there doing it.

This is an absolute and I totally agree.

 

[Muscle Stack]

Then you really don't know how to utilise gear properly.




It matters to me that it is his first cycle and Test alone will do wonders regardless and somewhere between 350-500mgs for most first time users will ellicit excellent resluts in not only muscle growth but also body fat reduction



Far from it. Eq increases appetite in most users so this is hardly beneficial when trying to loose body fat unless you have some expereince with it and understand how to work with it but even then if your one of the ones that has an insatiable appetitie when running Eq you shouldn't be considering it for reducing body fat.

6 weeks of injectible Winny is hardly appropriate for a first time cycler also as you have outlined. Then you also want to run Anavar too. Not good advice sorry.



Clearly you don't but you should be more mindful when handing out advice to new users that stacking multiple compounds is not an ideal way to begin. You have sane doses which is great but still this is not an ideal way to begin.



The whole concept is to learn as you advance so you have some idea of how your going to react to differing gear going forward and stacking mulitple compounds first time out is not going to help this process. If you had of just stuck to Test and Anavar I might not have had any issue but I really believe your going too far with what you have laid out.



This is great advice as was your intial advice on cardio although I think an hour is more than necessary after training. On an empty stomach is fine and then 15-30 minutes max after training excluding leg days would be better.

I now pronounce you spouses for life....

Glad to see you could workout the diffrences... I have to side with Access... The guy (who never post a responce, I think you all scared him off) did state he is a newbie or 1st time.... So yes we are all practioners here and what works for YOU may work for another. YES, BUT problem is it may not, so to walk him through it STEP BY STEP, CYCLE BY CYCLE is the best advise.

 

[OneBreath]

An hour of running should be somewhere between 4-6 miles at an even pace so this is plenty for fat stripping and beyond this will start to affect muscle.

You're hardcore access. I've just started running again and i'm right at the 4 mile mark at an hour. Damn holiday carbs.

I'm going to shoot for over 5 now. Are you going to do this everyday for the post holiday fatstripper you talked earlier? I'm currently only doing it on the days i'm NOT lifting. I'm thinking about bumping that up though.

 

[access]

You're hardcore access. I've just started running again and i'm right at the 4 mile mark at an hour. Damn holiday carbs.

I'm going to shoot for over 5 now. Are you going to do this everyday for the post holiday fatstripper you talked earlier? I'm currently only doing it on the days i'm NOT lifting. I'm thinking about bumping that up though.

I look at your avi OneBreath and I think "really how much has he put on". But I understand where your coming from as at christmas when I finshed cycle I was 9% BF and here we are two weeks later with no training and a vacation and I am probably 12%.

I am currently in "negotiations" (LOL) with Omega on exactly how where going to proceed and just how much cardio will be included. Leading up to last cycle though I was doing 90 minutes 5 days a week at 5am each morning and then training later in the day. This proved extremely effective and when I went onto cycle I cut down to cardio for 60-100 minutes every 5th day. This day was a cardio only day and was running 6-10 miles each time.

 

[Trendsetter21]

At your height and weight you should easily be able to get shredded without gear.