TWO WEEK CYCLES are the safest!

[gunner44]

DHT and Proscar

I would think that Proscar would limit the conversion to DHT in the prostate tissue and help to controll swelling and possibly other sides if you are using test prop.

It is my understanding that Proscar is effecive in certain tissues, including the prostate and scalp.

Any thoughts on the possible of benefits of finasteride when on these heavy 2 week cycles?


Gunner Out

 

[gunner44]

I was thinking of trying something like this

Front load Test enth 1000mg on day 1 and then again on day 2

with D-bol at 35 mg's per day for the 2 weeks?

Any thoughts on this?

THat really isnt the idea Bro, you would need to use Test Prop daily with a 1 day front load then the prop ED or EOD.

Your blood levels would be pretty crazy with a front load of 1000mg on day 1 and 2.

You can try it...but you would basically be doing a FUCKING HUGE 1 week pyramid cycle with a HUGE spike in test levels and for sure a huge spike in estrogen levels in the first few days..then a slow taper going past day 14.

LEt me know if you end up with B-cups or A-cups ! LOL JK

 

[rjl296]

is there any way to do a 2 weeker with enthan at all then ?? or do you need prop or tren. i would like to do tren , but want to avoid gyno at any costs i have never ran a cycle before so i dont know how prone i would be. would it be safe to do tren @ 50 / day, w/ the dbol. or run prop instead.

 

[Realgains]

is there any way to do a 2 weeker with enthan at all then ?? or do you need prop or tren. i would like to do tren , but want to avoid gyno at any costs i have never ran a cycle before so i dont know how prone i would be. would it be safe to do tren @ 50 / day, w/ the dbol. or run prop instead.

IMHO you can use a long acting ester BUT it will be less effective since blood levels will not be great all the way through.

If you used a gram of test enanthate on day one then after a week you would have about 500mg circulatinga nd after two weeks you would still have 250 and thats still enough to inhibit...it would take another week for the test to clear enough to HPTA recovery to even start to decide to begin.

SO...yes you could use a gram but the cycle would be 3 weeks long.

500 would be better for a two weeker.

Best not to use two aromatizable hormones at one time ...try test and tren oR tren and d-bol.
IF you have nolva on hand(20mg per day) then you will not get gyno as long as you take the stuff as soon as you sence sore nipples while rubbing them with soap in the shower each day as a test.

Pretty much impossible to get gyno with nolva use IF it hasn't already started.

Some say that tren causes gyno but I do not believe this.

 

[rjl296]

when you say test and tren , you mean test prop right? or is front loading @ 500 mg on day one with enthan sufficient.

or is this just a dumb idea to use enthan at all ??

 

[Realgains]

when you say test and tren , you mean test prop right? or is front loading @ 500 mg on day one with enthan sufficient.

or is this just a dumb idea to use enthan at all ??

PROP is best.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Rememeber short cycles are not for the highly competitive but they will give recreational users nice gains, and far better than training naturally, with few sides. Also, you will keep a higher percentage of those gains due mainly to fast HPTA recovery.

They are ideal for the man that is just trying to get to his natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly, instaed of taking ten years or more as a natural to accomplish that.

I have put very advanced natural trainees on two-three weekers and they have kept 5-7 pounds of solid muscle and finially made it to their natural max developement.....which BTW is pretty impressive in most ie: 5'9 or 10" and a lean, 190-195.

SO ...I don't want to hear anyone say that they "don't work"... they sure the hell do ...but not if you are already 40 pounds above your natural max weight.

Guys the truth is that once you get way above your natural potential then very large doses of gear are used to get freaky...pro's take up to 4 grams of test per week plus other gear AND slin and GH and for long cycles.....but if you are not a pro then you are a bloody idiot to do that.

RG

 

[Lift Chief]

Rememeber short cycles are not for the highly competitive but they will give recreational users nice gains, and far better than training naturally, with few sides. Also, you will keep a higher percentage of those gains due mainly to fast HPTA recovery.

They are ideal for the man that is just trying to get to his natural maximum weight/developement fairly quickly, instaed of taking ten years or more as a natural to accomplish that.

I have put very advanced natural trainees on two-three weekers and they have kept 5-7 pounds of solid muscle and finially made it to their natural max developement.....which BTW is pretty impressive in most ie: 5'9 or 10" and a lean, 190-195.

SO ...I don't want to hear anyone say that they "don't work"... they sure the hell do ...but not if you are already 40 pounds above your natural max weight.

Guys the truth is that once you get way above your natural potential then very large doses of gear are used to get freaky...pro's take up to 4 grams of test per week plus other gear AND slin and GH and for long cycles.....but if you are not a pro then you are a bloody idiot to do that.

RG

Do you think 2 weekers or 3 weekers are best...?

 

[Realgains]

2 weeks are best if you are very concerned about the fastest recovery of HPTA and the avoiding as many sides and negative health implications as possible.

3-4 weekers will give better gains but with slower recovery and more potential sides.

4 weeks is the limit to what I call ashort cycle or a safe cycle length.

RG

 

[browncloud]

Realgains I need some advice, I did my first 2 weeker about 4 weeks ago now and it consisted of tren/prop/winny/ and var. I got and extreme about of bloat from the test. I was also running arimidex at .05mg a day. Now should i up my dose of arimidex to 1mg a day and use proviron? Also how long before you frontload the test should i start the arimidex? does it make a diffrence?
last cycle i frontloaded 300mg and ran 100 EOD for 8 days then stoped because i was so bloated. I also have some tren left from valopharm, and i just held it up to some light and it looked to be dirty, with some particals inside, almost looks like cotton, or glue wierd. Anyway i am not going to use it until i can fliter it, and have no idea where i can get a filter here in asia. Would appreciate your input.