I think Orbit was referring to a comment I made to him. True, the PP Turinabol LV is by far, BAR NONE, the Best Halodrol Clone available. I have tried them all, including the original Halodrol 50. This Turinabol is amazing. I am growing every day and my Vascularity is INSANE guys. The vascularity from this product is better then any other Prohormone or NO product, etc, I have used, and yes, I am a Supplement Junkie. I just starting week four of the Turinabol. Weeks one and two I ran it as 60mg a day. Week 3 I started at 75mg a day and have been and will state at the dose for 4 weeks (maybe a 5th week, not sure yet). I just added in the Androhard last night and am going to run that four 3 to four weeks(total 8 week cycle). When I am done with the Turinabol I am going to add in the NeedToSlin. Take care guys..