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supertilin

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I read on elite fitness in spanish board that ttokkyo labs was closed by feds for making counterfeit products. Has anyone heard about this or is it strictly a rumor?
 
Yes. I also read on that Spanish board that they captured that Yeti like creature that's been running around in Mexico.
 
mexico also has feds if you did not know. its not that fucked up of a country! guess what? they also have a fucken government!!!!!!!!!!!!:mexican:
 
supertilin said:
mexico also has feds if you did not know. its not that fucked up of a country! guess what? they also have a fucken government!!!!!!!!!!!!:mexican:
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Mexico is alot worst in regulating stuff like that. Not even close to US laws and regulations. But that aint the point.
Why would they care?
They make supplements for cats and dogs right?
Think the pets complainted cause they wasnt getting good pumps on TTokkyo test?:D
Sounds like BS to me.
Any other bros heard anything about it?
 
supertilin said:
mexico also has feds if you did not know.:
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The Feds in Mexico are called Federalis. If the Federalis ever came knocking at Ttoykko's door, they'd just have to slip the cops a U.S. $20 bill(a months wage for those guys)and they'd be left alone.

j/k Brother... I've never been to Mexico and know very little about their law-enforcement. However, its a third world country and I doubt ANY government agency in Mexico is interested in TT quality control.

Peace,
S.
 
i think all the dogs were complaining of the abscess they were getting from the sust they produced and that supred the govt to take action...................oh wait that was only my dog complaining to me:)
 
genarr3 said:
Yes. I also read on that Spanish board that they captured that Yeti like creature that's been running around in Mexico.
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Naw, I escaped the TJ jail! The Ttokkyo vars and cyp really helped me in bending those rusty old bars open. The hair on my body snagged a bit while escaping but heck, I'm free! :rolleyes:
 
I was not aware of the fact that they sell steriods in mexico, shit learn something new on this board everyday.

EF spanish board is the essential link in world communications BTW
 
Yes the feds went there, that is true. All they wanted was the dog put back on the label though.
 
Amp said:
Yes the feds went there, that is true. All they wanted was the dog put back on the label though.
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I was told that a mexican pro cat,lobby group was mad because thay thought it to be unfair that the dogs get all the press!!!!:)

J
 
Not sure if there's the slightest bit of validity to this rumor,but the feds did close down a similar operation Daniel Duchaine was involved with back in the 80's(laberatories Milanos),so anything is possible.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Not sure if there's the slightest bit of validity to this rumor,but the feds did close down a similar operation Daniel Duchaine was involved with back in the 80's(laberatories Milanos),so anything is possible.
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Yeah, but Lab Milano was making counterfeits. They didn't say Lab Milano but copied the labels of American human grade steroids -- e.g., Searle Anavar, Organon Depot Testosterone, etc. Ttokkyo makes their own products and does not misrepresent who manufactured them. Also, allegedly, Panama's Noriega was a Lab Milano investor and he was imprisoned by the USA after we invaded Panama to get him. So if the USA government is an enemy, usually other governments follow suit -- unless they're a "rogue" nation.
 
Well, as far as Mexico being a third world county...depends on the location. Some of Mexico is more sophisticated than you think; too bad most of the country isn't like that.
 
There was an article in "Anabolic Insider" that said something about Ttokkyo's EQ being lab tested and coming back as low dose enanthate.....why does there have to be all this bullshit:mad:
 
well I guess I wont be buying any ttokkyo products anymore, I did like their cypionate, but this was inevitable, all roid companies in mexico either turn to selling fakes, or theyre just plain shit anyway..............hell that quality vet shit sux too, there isnt even one good product on the market anymore as far as Im concerned regarding mexico...............so now what will happen when all buyers and customers quit buying ttokkyo, and all that mass stock just sits on the shelves at the vet supplies and vet shops?
 
Yo CN1, I agree 100%. These companies all end up turning to shit once they make a name for themselves. I think I'll stick with DK from now on. See you at Gold's around 1-2pm
 
I don'tt know maxbicep & cn1 i might have to disagree with you guys haven't had anyproblems with them but wait i guess that's why i'm still 180 and i used all their shit...lol:confused: :mad: :idea: :die: :worried:

cn1 see u @ 7
 
same old thing on the boards

Ttokkyos status is still good, products are all good - test cyp and sustanon have been fixed for a while (ba alch content). Dogs face on the bottle has nothing to do with anything, most other vet pharms dont use any animal on the bottle so its a non issue. Same rumors pretty much, just a heads up for those interested in the truth. peace fellas
 
Ttokkyos status is still good, products are all good - test cyp and sustanon have been fixed for a while (ba alch content). Dogs face on the bottle has nothing to do with anything, most other vet pharms dont use any animal on the bottle so its a non issue. Same rumors pretty much, just a heads up for those interested in the truth. peace fellas
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I believe this until I see real proof other wise, ttoykko and quality vet, are the best products ever out of Mex.
 
Everything is a fad.................I feel like Im in high school with all these rumors. Post some lab results or hard evidence.
 
How can some people on here say they have never had a problem with Ttokkyo if they have only used them once or only used a couple products.....Are we supposed to take that to the bank......Their are guys on this site who have never and will never say anything "bad" about ttokkyo no matter what.......Unless your taking human gear, its a fucking crap shoot---I don't care what any of these so-called experts(who have never competed or been down under 5%) blurt out.or what lab reports read--even though you will be hard pressed to find any lab reports on ttokkyo products on this site.....peace
 
I have never been a big time user, but out of all the products I 've purchesed over the last 10years, I ve been burned with a few brands. ttokyo gave me good results the few times I tried it...but thats my .02
 
Re: same old thing on the boards

Slopain said:
Dogs face on the bottle has nothing to do with anything, most other vet pharms dont use any animal on the bottle so its a non issue.
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You didn't think I was actually being serious did you? I need to start hitting the sarcasm books again. I must be doing something wrong. :ryanh:
 
It' s true my mate down the pub told me he was presented with a load of real sounding evidence to back up the claim, lol.
I love karchi sus and norma deca, they are lovers.:stpatty: :smash: :horny:
 
Wombat said:
How can some people on here say they have never had a problem with Ttokkyo if they have only used them once or only used a couple products.....Are we supposed to take that to the bank......Their are guys on this site who have never and will never say anything "bad" about ttokkyo no matter what.......Unless your taking human gear, its a fucking crap shoot---I don't care what any of these so-called experts(who have never competed or been down under 5%) blurt out.or what lab reports read--even though you will be hard pressed to find any lab reports on ttokkyo products on this site.....peace
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Lab Reports have been passed around the boards a few times on ttokkyo gear - every mod and vet about a year ago got a copy of them - not hard pressed at all. And if it was a "crap shoot" they wouldnt be selling nearly as much as they do, people in Mex have access to human gear as well, Im not looking to get into the vet vs human again - its been done hundreds of times before - this post was about ttokkyo and some unfounded rumor of a fed "bust" or whatever - that was BS.
 
hypershriek said:
It' s true my mate down the pub told me he was presented with a load of real sounding evidence to back up the claim, lol.
I love karchi sus and norma deca, they are lovers.:stpatty: :smash: :horny:
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Do you have that leprechaun face because you're Irish?
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
Well, as far as Mexico being a third world county...depends on the location. Some of Mexico is more sophisticated than you think; too bad most of the country isn't like that.
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Exactlly!!!:) Monterrey RULES!!! :vanp: :garza: :goatslaye :user:
 
Slopain said:


Lab Reports have been passed around the boards a few times on ttokkyo gear - every mod and vet about a year ago got a copy of them - not hard pressed at all. And if it was a "crap shoot" they wouldnt be selling nearly as much as they do, people in Mex have access to human gear as well, Im not looking to get into the vet vs human again - its been done hundreds of times before - this post was about ttokkyo and some unfounded rumor of a fed "bust" or whatever - that was BS.
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The "Hollywood Diet in a bottle" sold over 2 million units---Who do you think is buying up that crap? Uneducated and misled people maybe.......As far as all these Lab reports that are out their, why not make them all a sticky for all to see?
 
inflection

sorry johnboy could not catch your inflection on your question so I took it the other way, but yes QV kicks ass.

stonecold54
 
Wombat said:



The "Hollywood Diet in a bottle" sold over 2 million units---Who do you think is buying up that crap? Uneducated and misled people maybe.......As far as all these Lab reports that are out their, why not make them all a sticky for all to see?
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Email some of the mods gymratsd (now NY), e2, 2thick, macro these are all people that had them, I dont have any on my comp anymore but I would say a few hundred people did download them when they were a sticky - so you shouldnt have a hard time following.

And the hollywood diet is a very weak analogy, ttokkyo has sold many times over 2 million units on top of that and more importantly its not the couch potatoes that go to mexico to buy aas, they arent necessarilly intelligent but they are definetly more educated (fitness/bb wise) than the typical infomercial watching fry eating public. On top of that ttokkyo never advertised on television or anywhere of any note and has sold more primarliy based on word of mouth. Do we really need to back and forth this, you dont like mex gear and thats ok, but absolute blanket statements like "Unless your taking human gear, its a fucking crap shoot" is not only untrue (in most cases) but also ignorant.

Human gear is great, as is the better quality brands of Mex gear. People will use what they think is better for them and thats good.
 
On a side note, I gotta disagree with some of you guys. QV prop sucks ass big time. The deca and EQ might be good, haven't tried them, but the prop sucks.
 
Even if its not counterfeit, ttokyo gear isnt all that great. I learned my lesson and im stickin to european or u.s. grade gear.
 
Rumors...........

TTokkyo shit is tight..........I have used it for 2-3 years now with not too many problems but alot of this I have picked up last year and the year before. Most of the reported problems haven't been starting till recently it seems. I haven't bought any since early spring so I cant comment on any new batches.


Peace
 
Some of you know how I feel about TT, I think it's shit. It seems to get shitier and shitier as you go North. In Canada, it's expensive and it's worthless.

Maybe I've only gotten my hands on couterfeits? Who knows.

I've seen a labe test done on TT eq and there wasn't a trace of boldenone und. in it.

Whether it was a faked TT product I don't know.
 
BigAndy69 said:
Some of you know how I feel about TT, I think it's shit. It seems to get shitier and shitier as you go North. In Canada, it's expensive and it's worthless.

Maybe I've only gotten my hands on couterfeits? Who knows.

I've seen a labe test done on TT eq and there wasn't a trace of boldenone und. in it.

Whether it was a faked TT product I don't know.
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Where did you see this? Who else has seen it, get a copy of it.

I dont understand why this still happens, the gear is obviously not shit, and it doesnt magically get "shitier" as you go north, and the few counterfits are pretty easy to detect. I understand people have their preferences but to say its "worthless" is not even close to true - if you like and push a certain brand than do it, but stating that one of the highest quality vet companies in Mex is worthless and shitty has not even a thread of truth and thats not even debatable.

(and not specifically to biga:) The bashing thing is getting so old, people need to relize that no matter how much shit is talked on the boards it really doesnt do anything to deter sales, look at brovel which is (or was) one of the least quality of all gear sold and was widely "known" on the boards as being such and they still see very well and in the east and upper east coast I know people that will choose "big blue" over more quaility brands. Promote whatever gear you like but I think denkal's obsessive bashing of ttokkyo proved to be a backfire as ttokkyo sells circles around them in spite of all the smearing.
 
concerning the legitamacy of the gear

alot of you guys claim ttokkyo, qv, and others are good products, but many forget to realize, the main goal of these companies is to make money, lets give a good product at first, then slowly transition to counterfeits, the consumers are dumbasses they wont know the difference and we still get rich.......something to think about!!!!
 
Re: concerning the legitamacy of the gear

CN1 said:
alot of you guys claim ttokkyo, qv, and others are good products, but many forget to realize, the main goal of these companies is to make money, lets give a good product at first, then slowly transition to counterfeits, the consumers are dumbasses they wont know the difference and they still get rich.......something to think about!!!!
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And the goal of american pharms is to cure people and not make money. Again no argument there.
The goals of the companies are to make profits thats the first rule of all for profit business's, but ttokkyo has relized from day 1 that there is more money in a quality rep and products in the long run, and they are proving that to themselves and other companies who are trying to follow their lead (QV). Loefflers products (other than the dbol) are very spotty and at best have very low quality controls, their sales reflect that.
 
I know u do alot of inside talking, Im not saying the products are fake, Im just saying that the bottom line is that all roids in america and mexico can possibly not be all that good, Ive had friends tell me they took american test and had better results with mexican versions.........its all a risk, you have to be a trained user, and it even helps to have connections that can test the shit for you, if there is ever any questions.
 
Im not sure if I had used the inj winny back in the day first of the tabs, that was a while ago - I believe my statement was that denkals inj winny (stanazolic) and ttokkyos were very similiar in potency and that the tabs seemed more potent than both. I promise this will be my last response to you as I know you have your mind set and theres nothing wrong with that, but ttokkyo is not a crapshoot as I think denkal is also not a crap shoot. The people in your gym are not representative of the marketplace the only thing I can go on and the true determining factor is sales (not from sources or what people hear on the boards) but the hard numbers in Mexico. We can say what we like but at the end of the day the better companies tend to outsell the weaker ones (in terms of quality). That cannot be disputed.

I haven't been posting much lately but as is the case with the online thing - its always the same arguments it seems which is what drove me away from the habitial reading and posting I used to do a year or so ago, (that wasnt directed at you at all wombat just the scene in general). Anyways long story short - the original posted rumor on this thread is 100% untrue and that was the reason I jumped in hear initially. peace and love warm fuzzy thoughts :)

and cn1 is absolutely correct - Im lucky enough to have 2 outlets to test stuff in the states although I cant abuse them like Id like, the best way is to try and get what you have in your hands tested by a reputable lab.
 
Slopain said:
Im not sure if I had used the inj winny back in the day first of the tabs, that was a while ago - I believe my statement was that denkals inj winny (stanazolic) and ttokkyos were very similiar in potency and that the tabs seemed more potent than both. I promise this will be my last response to you as I know you have your mind set and theres nothing wrong with that, but ttokkyo is not a crapshoot as I think denkal is also not a crap shoot. The people in your gym are not representative of the marketplace the only thing I can go on and the true determining factor is sales (not from sources or what people hear on the boards) but the hard numbers in Mexico. We can say what we like but at the end of the day the better companies tend to outsell the weaker ones (in terms of quality). That cannot be disputed.

I haven't been posting much lately but as is the case with the online thing - its always the same arguments it seems which is what drove me away from the habitial reading and posting I used to do a year or so ago, (that wasnt directed at you at all wombat just the scene in general). Anyways long story short - the original posted rumor on this thread is 100% untrue and that was the reason I jumped in hear initially. peace and love warm fuzzy thoughts :)

and cn1 is absolutely correct - Im lucky enough to have 2 outlets to test stuff in the states although I cant abuse them like Id like, the best way is to try and get what you have in your hands tested by a reputable lab.
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fair enough...peace:)
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
Well, as far as Mexico being a third world county...depends on the location. Some of Mexico is more sophisticated than you think; too bad most of the country isn't like that.
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Yeah you right! San Diego is sophisticated and kicks ass.
 
MaxBiceps said:
On a side note, I gotta disagree with some of you guys. QV prop sucks ass big time. The deca and EQ might be good, haven't tried them, but the prop sucks.
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Try the ttokkyo anadrol and you will say the same thing---I've only seen maybe 5 people on 4 diff---board combined say they like their anadrol-----the numerous others comments were either swept under the rug or told they didn't get the real ttokkyo a-bombs....Its very simple --if a company can make one bunk product and put it out, then the rest in my opinion are ALL suspect ---that goes for every company out their...peace
 
Wombat, I agree 100% . I can't tell you how many times I've read on this board people saying they've had good results with QV prop. But then again, what else were they taking with it? How are they so sure it wasn't the fina or the deca or the EQ that they were stacking it with that gave them those "great results?" Personally, I'm using "100 mgs" e/d with 50 mgs of winstrol. That means I should have 700 mgs of test in my body a week. No way in hell is my gains comperable to 700mgs of test. I know what winstrol does because I've run winny only cycles before, but with what should be close to a gram of test a week, I should be having much better results. Also, the first bottle was painful as hell and when I tasted a drop of it, it burned my damn tongue! IMO, the QV prop is underdosed and full of BA, which makes me leery of buying any of their other products in the future.
 
MaxBiceps said:
Wombat, I agree 100% . I can't tell you how many times I've read on this board people saying they've had good results with QV prop. But then again, what else were they taking with it? How are they so sure it wasn't the fina or the deca or the EQ that they were stacking it with that gave them those "great results?" Personally, I'm using "100 mgs" e/d with 50 mgs of winstrol. That means I should have 700 mgs of test in my body a week. No way in hell is my gains comperable to 700mgs of test. I know what winstrol does because I've run winny only cycles before, but with what should be close to a gram of test a week, I should be having much better results. Also, the first bottle was painful as hell and when I tasted a drop of it, it burned my damn tongue! IMO, the QV prop is underdosed and full of BA, which makes me leery of buying any of their other products in the future.
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thanks for the pm-----its good reading for me------

I like to read peoples experiences whether they are good or bad-----and let it be---------it pisses me off when people get flamed for telling their results and excuses are made for why they have had such results--------its a fucking joke and fishy at best------thanks again...peace and karma...B
 
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