Tren went cloudy?

[Mh48500]

I recently posted my pics of a tren ace conversion from powder. This was the 1st time I have used powder, all others were fina conversions. The day after the pics my tren went cloudy, sorry I didnt take pics.

Now I am not sure if the hormone crashed...which would be weird since tren holds VERY easy, or I missed something in the filtering(I ran through a .2 whatman).

I know the solution, because I aready reheated, refiltered, and even added 3% BB, which I hate to do if not necessary. The tren held, is crystal clear, but hurts like hell.

Any educated guesses, responses would be appreciated. I am going to mix another 20ml this weekend and retry with pure BA, and switch to Grapeseed oil, which just became available here in Mexico.

Thanks.

 

[Mh48500]

I found this which is interesting....Any chance the Fina conversion werent yielding the amount of tren that I thought? For example, after a Fina conversion my crystal powder would weigh 1.8 or 1.8 grams...I would still mix it as 2grmas...plus what amount of methyl cellulose was included in that 1.8 grams...so really what was my tren yield? Now I am using powder and if my source is as good as I hope is it possible that I am getting actually 100mg/ml on the tren and it falls out of solution in the body...read below

1. Concentration of active product. This is probably the most prevalent cause of post-injection pain experienced by anabolic steroid users. This is most likely due to the demand for underground laboratories to produce more concentrated steroid preparations (high mg/ml of hormone) to reduce number and volumes of injections. One good example of this is the production of testosterone propionate by many different labs. If we look at the preparation of testosterone propionate by legitimate pharmaceutical companies, we see that the maximum concentration normally produced is 50mg/ml. Despite this, most underground labs today will produce multi-use vials of testosterone propionate that are at a minimum of 100mg/ml. Hormones that contain short esters on them (like acetate, propionate, phenylpropionate) have a much higher melting point and thus cannot be made as concentrated as those with longer esters (enanthate, decanoate, etc). Although testosterone propionate can be effectively made in standard amounts of solvents and oil to 100mg/ml without crashing out of this solution, once injected in the body, the solvents tend to leach out of the solution very quickly, being absorbed much quicker than the oil. This leaves behind oil and hormone in the muscle, and at the higher concentrations (which rely on solvents to not crash in solution) this will result in some of the hormone crashing out of solution to give crystals. These crystals cause significant muscular discomfort, and also can result in the recruitment of lymphocytes involved in inflammation thus the area around the crystals can get inflamed with a build up of blood cells. This takes time to dissipate and longer for the crystals to be absorbed into the body, which is why this type of pain and discomfort usually lasts for several days. It should be noted however that there are certain carriers and solvents which allow for higher mg/ml preparations to be made that result in the reduction of pain. One solvent occasionally used is guaicol, which allows for more concentrated solutions to be produced and also acts as a slight analgesic or pain reliever at the site of injection. A more useful lipid carrier as an alternative to a normal oil carrier is ethyl oleate (EO). EO can be substituted for other carrier oils, and is a less viscous (thinner) carrier that also allows more of the hormone to be dissolved in it compared with other oils. The safety of EO for injections in humans is often questioned; however several different pharmaceutically produced injection products have been made that use EO as a carrier, most notably Farmak testosterone propionate. Furthermore, ethanol (alcohol) is converted to several products in the body when ingested, one being oleic acid. One potential issue with the use of EO however, is that a small percentage of users may experience an allergic-type reaction to its use, typified by a rash and some local discomfort, yet this is a more rare reaction to EO.
   Below is a list of common anabolic steroids and when prepared with common percentages of solvents and normal oil carriers (not EO), what the maximum normal concentration that can be achieved before pain is experienced:
   Testosterone Propionate <100mg/ml
   Testosterone Enanthate <300mg/ml
   Testosterone Cypionate <250mg/ml
   Nandrolone Decanoate <325mg/ml
   Nandrolone Phenylpropionate <150mg/ml
   Trenbolone Acetate <100mg/ml
   Trenbolone Enanthate <250mg/ml
   Boldenone Undecylenate (EQ) <900mg/ml
   Methenolone Enanthate <75mg/ml
   Drostanolone Propionate <150mg/ml

In summary, there are various different causatives of IM pain post-injection, however the most prevalent is likely to be the concentration of hormone used in the preparation and secondly to a lesser extent, the concentration of solvents used. However as outlined, with any injection this is an invasive procedure with regards to breaking the body's natural barriers, there is always a risk of soreness and discomfort.

Read more at: A Guide to Post-Injection Muscular Pain​

 

[goin on 4T]

Yeah I have had powders that were extraordinarily dirty. Meaning that at a temp of 110f they were clear and pretty. However, at room temp 75f they were cloudy. It has nothing to do with crashing. Crashing is not cloudy. Crashing is crystalizing at the bottom. The cloudyness is impurities. Next time don't add more BA that may be why there is more pain; one of these days I am going to inject 1/2 cc of ba and see if it hurts. You need to refilter it cold at room temperature. That way its easier for the filter to capture the particulates. Painfull? not sure why. When I first started I would get a few batches that were dirty.
I remember once I had some gear and I would heat it and it would be clear, I used a blow dryer to heat it. Well I was busy not paying attention to what I was doing. The temp of the oil was so hot that when I injected it in my glute it burned, not like a sting like when a hot oil burn on your hands, the oil was so thin it passed through the needle super quick. It fucking hurt, I almost freaking cried, I couldn't sit down, felt the pain deep. I couldn't inject in that glut for 2+ months. So now I only run my gear under hot water if I want to heat it.

I recently posted my pics of a tren ace conversion from powder. This was the 1st time I have used powder, all others were fina conversions. The day after the pics my tren went cloudy, sorry I didnt take pics.

Now I am not sure if the hormone crashed...which would be weird since tren holds VERY easy, or I missed something in the filtering(I ran through a .2 whatman).

I know the solution, because I aready reheated, refiltered, and even added 3% BB, which I hate to do if not necessary. The tren held, is crystal clear, but hurts like hell.

Any educated guesses, responses would be appreciated. I am going to mix another 20ml this weekend and retry with pure BA, and switch to Grapeseed oil, which just became available here in Mexico.

Thanks.

 

[Keith1]

I would make it with 20%bb and re filter. See if that does it

 

[goin on 4T]

I would make it with 20%bb and re filter. See if that does it

What do you think adding BB is going to do?


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[Mh48500]

4T, thanks foir the input.....I figured just refiltering would work, but I did add 3% BB then refiltered. It has stayed crystal clear since...as for the injection pain I am not sure. I will remix another 20ml this weekend and cold filter as you suggested. I am a bit sensitive to BB and that is why I usually avoid it when possible. I looked and found a lot of stuff online about BA and injection pain and they gave examples of a few pharma meds that used 10% BA and had little or no reports about pain. I also looked a lot about BB and found little or nothing to support it so I am a bit more confused.

Anyways I will remix @ 100mg/ml, 2% BA and filter and then let you know.

 

[semper03]

You DO NOT need BB when making tren. Use BA at 2% for 20ml 5% for 50ml. I posted a thread on how to make tren ace on here just go read it. The cloudiness is from improper filtering. Just refilter and you'll be fine. You dont even need to do that you can still pin with it cloudy. Let it set so the binders settle to the bottom and draw like that. Not recommended but can be done. I've done it.

 

[goin on 4T]

Use BA at 2% for 20ml 5% for 50ml.

What does this mean?

If you are makeing 20ml you use 2%ba
if you are making 50ml then use 5%ba?

That doesn't make sense.
You must be talking about mg/ml?

 

[semper03]

What does this mean?

If you are makeing 20ml you use 2%ba
if you are making 50ml then use 5%ba?

That doesn't make sense.
You must be talking about mg/ml?

What doesn't make sense?

I make mine in batches of 20 or 50ml dosed at 100mg/ml.

When making 20ml of tren use 2G of powder and 2% BA.
For 50ml use 5G of powder and 5% BA (2.5ml).

It holds wonderfully and goes in smooth. I've even used 6ml of BA for 20ml and it was great just had a little burn when I started injecting.

 

[Keith1]

What do you think adding BB is going to do?


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I know some say u don't need bb with tren but it will help it hold solution. It's just a suggestion for u to try