tren, test and maybe letro?

[gymfean]

not trying to ask you to do the work for me just sounds like you've ran all this stuff before. which means you probably know the dosage I should run it all out and just might have a layout somewhere you could post for me?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

not trying to ask you to do the work for me just sounds like you've ran all this stuff before. which means you probably know the dosage I should run it all out and just might have a layout somewhere you could post for me?

Seriously mate, it's not a problem at all. I enjoy this stuff. You should see it when me and some of my bros I went to college with catch up. The girls have no clue what we're talking about when we're throwing out exercise physiology terminology and gear related stuff. Ask your boy about doing steroids in front of his non-lifting female and she'll go nuts. Ask him if he's pinning EQ and Tren E with a 250 cyp dosage and all you see is looks of obliviousness.

Sorry about that bro, I misread your message. You're correct, you will get 15 weeks.

Cycle
Tren E @ 500 mgs per week
Test E or Cyp @ 250 per week

On Cycle Support:
N2Guard @ 7 caps per Day N2 Guard - the one support supplement to rule them all is FINELY here!
Liqui-Aromas @ 10mg-12.5 EOD AG-Guys :: AIs :: LiquiAromas
Liqui-Dost @ .25 2x per week AG-Guys :: Misc. Research :: LiquiDostnx
& Letro (just in case) AG-Guys :: AIs :: Letrozl
If you do need the letro, which I highly doubt you will, check in with me or PM me here and I'll give you dosing protocol on that. But I'd bet money you'll never need it if you're following my instructions. Letro is mostly used to incinerate estrogen related gyno and at your low dose of test you will be good to go with the liqui-aromas.


PCT
HCGenerate from n2bm HCGenerate with Fadogia Agrestis.The most powerful sex drive increasing , shut down preventing on cycle support product ever created.
Ostarine 25mg per day
GW-501516 at 20 mg per day (split the dosage into 10 and 10) Get from Sarms1.com SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators for the 2 above.
Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 from AG Guys for 4 weeks.
AG-Guys :: SERMs :: LiquiClom
Liquidex from n2bm
Test Stack or Phytoserms like RickRock said

 

[Mkingo]

I agree with everything fizz has said, but I would add that you could consider running zero test with your tren. I ran a cycle of tren ace at 100mg eod last year for 12 weeks. Had zero sides except for some acne. I am very acne prone anyway and get it on with most aas I have tried, so no biggie. Slept like a baby, felt like a million bucks, and literally nothing could bring my mood down. No lethargy at all. No BP issues (I measure BP daily), no aggression issues.

I ran caber at 0.25 twice per week and it was great. Had no libido issues at all. In fact it (dunno if it was the tren or e caber, but I suspect the caber) increased my libido to a higher level than I have ever experienced.

Got bloods done 4 weeks after cycle and everything was looking great.

Overall it was a great cycle. Have not yet run test and tren yet though so can't comment on that.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I agree with everything fizz has said, but I would add that you could consider running zero test with your tren. I ran a cycle of tren ace at 100mg eod last year for 12 weeks. Had zero sides except for some acne. I am very acne prone anyway and get it on with most aas I have tried, so no biggie. Slept like a baby, felt like a million bucks, and literally nothing could bring my mood down. No lethargy at all. No BP issues (I measure BP daily), no aggression issues.

I ran caber at 0.25 twice per week and it was great. Had no libido issues at all. In fact it (dunno if it was the tren or e caber, but I suspect the caber) increased my libido to a higher level than I have ever experienced.

Got bloods done 4 weeks after cycle and everything was looking great.

Overall it was a great cycle. Have not yet run test and tren yet though so can't comment on that.

You know how it is brother; we have this game down to about as finite of a science as we can. Still, there's some ambiguity. OP is going to have to test his own limits and see what works for him. I know that I can't run anything without at least a cruise dose of cyp or enanthate and I feel as though that's the perfect dose scientifically and the perfect dose for me whilst running tren. At the same time, I keep hearing about people running no test on a tren cycle and getting great results with minimal sides. I also run some test with my tren as a precautionary measure considering it's a 19-nor and I don't want to be concerned with total test shut-down. How was your recovery when coming off a tren-solo stack?

 

[Mkingo]

It was pretty straight forward. I ran clomid, hcg, test stack #17, and the two protein factory pct products: post cycle & unleashed. Short ester on the tren ace so I only ran a 4 week pct.

I always feel a little down emotionally when coming off, and this was no different, but aside from that it was ok. Trained like a demon throughout pct, kept most of the gains and now looking forward to starting my next cycle. Been off for 12 weeks now so a couple more and I will be good to go. The anticipation is killing me. I am getting bloods done again this week just to check and to establish a pre-cycle baseline for reference.

As you said, ya gotta find out what works for you as each person is different. I am planning on running a tren cycle in Q3 2014 and will be including test this time just to see how it affects me. I will switch to tren e this time and I am also thinking of running a dbol kicker as I have read that dbol and tren are highly synergistic. Not decided on the dbol yet though as the high aromatisation along with tren has me a bit concerned about prolactin sides. I have always read that the first step to controlling prolactin sides is to keep estrogen in check. Having both dbol and test in the stack might be a bit much.

Lots of time to research between now and then though, so we will see.

 

[Shrine1]

Good info fellas.. I havent ran tren yet, but its something ill give a try for sure at some point

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[gymfean]

first I want to give a huge thanks to Fizz for all the help on the cycle its much appreciated.

but there's a couple things I'm wondering if someone is able to explain to me. Liqui-Aromas ran at 12.5 means I'll need 2 bottles. Y wouldn't I run Adex instead? It'd be a little cheaper an don't they do the same job?

And will anything I'm running for cycle support hinder my gains? I read some were "cycle support supplements will help with sides but also hinder gains abit". Any truth to this?

 

[Reps For Jesus]

You can use adex or aromasin.. aromasin is such the better option because it is a suicide inhibitor, so there is no chance of estrogen rebound once you come off. Cheaper isn't always better. I think that if you are pretty lean, then adex will be fine for 250mg a week of test. I'd take .5 mg twice per week

Letro, like your originally proposed would kill your estrogen.. and kill your gains. Or running whatever AI you choose to high would also hurt them as well.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

first I want to give a huge thanks to Fizz for all the help on the cycle its much appreciated.

You are doing the right thing by asking questions. You are putting stuff in your body. You get all of the respect in the world for asking questions instead of being some noob who makes YouTube videos about taking inject-able Dbol for 6 months and getting grounded by his father. Seriously bro. Critical thinking is lost in this world.

but there's a couple things I'm wondering if someone is able to explain to me. Liqui-Aromas ran at 12.5 means I'll need 2 bottles. Y wouldn't I run Adex instead? It'd be a little cheaper an don't they do the same job?

If price is your main concern then my solution for you is to get liquidex from n2bm. I haven’t tried it but I keep hearing how obnoxiously awesome it is. I actually just read Dylan’s reply to a post about their products and right now it’s by two, get one free so you’ll get 3 bottles.
Now here is the science for you bro:
Arimadex and Aromasin are somewhat similar, afterall they both sort of have the “aroma/arimi” prefix. Aromasin’s chemical name is exemestane and Arimadex’s chemical name is anastrazole. Both affect the aromatase enzyme, a.k.a. estrogen synth “ase”, I’ve explained to several folks on this board that anything with “ase” as a suffix in medicinal terms is an enzyme; e.g. salivary amylaze, is the enzyme that starts digestion in the mouth.
As stated by both of us, Adex and Aromasin serve the same purpose. However, the vehicle in which they work serve is different indeed. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. It binds to the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for converting hormones to estradiol/estrogen, and commits suicide with the enzyme, thus killing it at rendering it useless. Arimadex is an aromatase inhibitor by BLOCKING, not binding. It blocks the enzyme from its desired receptor. This may sound good in theory, but you have all of that aromatase that builds up. What if you miss the dosage by a day, or two. Then all of that armotase floods the receptor and gyno can progress. Another aspect of Dex; It’s steroidal so it taxes the endocrine system in the same way that steroids do. This has several negative variables:
1. LH and FSH aren’t left intact (Aromasin has a positive effect on both, as well as on GH).
2. PCT/bounceback is longer.
3. Your estro levels may rise greater once off cycle.
The aforementioned are reasons why I personally recommend Aromasin. I have taken A-Dex on cycle and Aromasin in my PCT before but now I prefer to run Aromasin on cycle as well. AS I DID say, Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding has a great deal on liquidex and a lot of bros are reporting great results with it and there is a buy 2 get 1 free sale going on. I have been considering partaking and getting 6 myself because that would clear up ai and pct for the next 2 cycles. Here is the link for that: Liquidex AI

And will anything I'm running for cycle support hinder my gains? I read some were "cycle support supplements will help with sides but also hinder gains abit". Any truth to this?

Because aromasin allows for some estrogen, we need estrogen for gains believe it or not, plus bone calcification and libido; Aromasin is the better option here. I do not find that AIs affect my gains, as mine are always solid on cycle. Letro however, will definitely affect gains like no other.Arimadex never did anything to my gains either, though my PCT was a bit more rough. Arimadex CANNOT be used as a PCT because it will continue to shut you down.

 

[gymfean]

well I'd hope my dad would know better than to ground me I am 24.haha..... but yes my man I appreciate it I'll ask all the questions I need to knowledge is power. and I appreciate everyone on here being so willing to take the time to reply. I'm satisfied I pick the right site. I've seen a lot of sites where they crucify you for asking questions instead of doing the researching them yourself..... don't get me wrong everything that's been recommended to me I have researched but its nice to hear it from people that have been there and done that in can steer me in the right direction.

I had to read that 3 times to take it all in but yeah I understand now why aromas is the better option. it's not about saving money its about getting the better product. its always nice to save a couple dollars but health comes first.

I've learned a lot and I feel I'm ready to start ordering stuff for my cycle. Hopefully I learned enough that my next cycle I won't have to ask many questions.lol.