tren, test and maybe letro?

[gymfean]

You are right but my advice stands as far as on cycle support is concerned. By the time you are done following my advice, you will trust me enough to watch your poodles on the weekend .

I would run caber and aromasin. Do not run letro as there is zero need. I would keep some on hand just in case but I would not use it unless you notice anything out of the ordinary. I would not check for gyno by putting your hands all over that area you got the lumps because that actually irritates the area and can make it worse just as an fyi. What I would do is run Aromasin and Caber. I will give you my source for AIs. If you want to play roulette and try another site, be my guest but I prefer to keep it safe with high quality compounds.

As far as prami? I know of way too many people who puke their guts up like a pregnant lady in the last trimester bro. Don't puke like a pregnant gal, run with caber. Caber has a side effect that reduces the male refractory period; i.e. You can ejaculate like 900x so that's the bonus.

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

 

[gymfean]

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

 

[RickRock13]

A SERM only PCT is old school, outdated, and ineffective for recovery. You need more than that. Here is my recommendation for the best PCT.

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquidex AI (n2bm)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

thank you for the solid advice my man I appreciate it. but as far as the caber $200 for 30mils @ 0.25 seems crazy pricey. that's the main reason I was avoiding it and would rather go with prami. what's the daily dosage on both of those anyway in your opinion?

have you ran Tren E before and if so what dosage would you recommend? 450 is what I've ran before.

and in your opinion how true is it that I should run my Tren at a higher dose than my Test?

I copy you loud and clear. I was recommending prami at one point but I simply do not do so as of this week. I watched a lot of people get very sick. I am familiar with the very low dose (going 10% of what most forums recommend as a starting dose) but it still cannot be trusted. It's playing with napalm. Obviously you are willing to take the plunge, no pun intended, but I still would not recommend utilizing it because of the very strong potential for disaster. Now, I know what you are saying regarding the caber, but caber has a 68 hour half life so it only has to be taken two times per week. I recommend starting at .25 mg 2x per week. Usually, most Brose do not have to ramp up from there. I like all of your dosages regarding your gear, you can run your test at 250 and your tren at 500, optimally. Test in a tren cycle is really just there to combat the tren sides believe it or not. 250 is a good number because it will keep you around your natty levels. It used to be a bro science fact that you should run test higher then everything else. This has been found to be untrue. Just run it at half of the tren and let the tren do it's magic. If your tren is dosed at 450 mg/mL it is okay to run it at that does too. In fact, running test higher than tren has been shown to create a negative synergistic effect. You are minimizing your gains and maximizing sides. A lot of the negative trenmania is derived from people who ran high test on a tren cycle. It's no bueno.


I am assuming you followed the protocol to run Tren ace before running Tren E to test your tolerance?

As far as other on-cycle support. I heard needtobuildmuscle.com has n2guard in stock. This is the best on-cycle support for combatting tren sides.

http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-GUARD-p75.html


Again, please let me know what your PCT is going to be so we can help you maintain your gains and keep sides at a mininum. My PCT protocol will make your PCT as enjoyable as your cycle.

If you do decide to follow my protocol, you should do a log on this forum. Help be one of our fellow pioneers in our sport.

 

[gymfean]

A SERM only PCT is old school, outdated, and ineffective for recovery. You need more than that. Here is my recommendation for the best PCT.

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Liquidex AI (n2bm)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

I appreciate your opinion and your advice. But $190 for a test booster? Dose it come in a gold bottle? Will it make me fly? Lol jk.

I'll take a look at it but seems WAY to pricy for what it is.

 

[gymfean]

I copy you loud and clear. I was recommending prami at one point but I simply do not do so as of this week. I watched a lot of people get very sick. I am familiar with the very low dose (going 10% of what most forums recommend as a starting dose) but it still cannot be trusted. It's playing with napalm. Obviously you are willing to take the plunge, no pun intended, but I still would not recommend utilizing it because of the very strong potential for disaster. Now, I know what you are saying regarding the caber, but caber has a 68 hour half life so it only has to be taken two times per week. I recommend starting at .25 mg 2x per week. Usually, most Brose do not have to ramp up from there. I like all of your dosages regarding your gear, you can run your test at 250 and your tren at 500, optimally. Test in a tren cycle is really just there to combat the tren sides believe it or not. 250 is a good number because it will keep you around your natty levels. It used to be a bro science fact that you should run test higher then everything else. This has been found to be untrue. Just run it at half of the tren and let the tren do it's magic. If your tren is dosed at 450 mg/mL it is okay to run it at that does too. In fact, running test higher than tren has been shown to create a negative synergistic effect. You are minimizing your gains and maximizing sides. A lot of the negative trenmania is derived from people who ran high test on a tren cycle. It's no bueno.


I am assuming you followed the protocol to run Tren ace before running Tren E to test your tolerance?

As far as other on-cycle support. I heard needtobuildmuscle.com has n2guard in stock. This is the best on-cycle support for combatting tren sides.


Again, please let me know what your PCT is going to be so we can help you maintain your gains and keep sides at a mininum. My PCT protocol will make your PCT as enjoyable as your cycle.

If you do decide to follow my protocol, you should do a log on this forum. Help be one of our fellow pioneers in our sport.

Ok I guess that's not to bad 1 30mg @ .25 2x wk. Will last me 15weeks?!?! I just mite go with that. I've heard it's better than prami as far as sides but that they both work well. I've read IF you can handle the prami sides that that's the better option not only cuz of price but if taken at night it helps with sleep....... BUT not sher if I want to risk the sides.......?!?!

Yes I have ran Tren A @450wk for 7 weeks and loved it. I think your right on that. My Test is 300 so I think I'll go with:

Test E @ 300wk weeks 1-10 then up it to 600wk 11-15 after Tren is done
Tren E @ 500wk weeks 1-10

Look good?

All I have planned for my PCT right now is Nolva and Clomid.

And ya I'd love to do a log

 

[TheKid7]

I appreciate your opinion and your advice. But $190 for a test booster? Dose it come in a gold bottle? Will it make me fly? Lol jk.

I'll take a look at it but seems WAY to pricy for what it is.

Depends on how good you want your cycle to be, anyone will tell you a weak pct will make your cycle pretty pointless. Rs transaderm is 150 of bottle now i remember when that shit was 60 but I still think its worth it. Sadly nothing great is cheap. I also agree run tren 500mg/week with test at 250 a week. You can see how you respond then adjust

 

[gymfean]

Depends on how good you want your cycle to be, anyone will tell you a weak pct will make your cycle pretty pointless. Rs transaderm is 150 of bottle now i remember when that shit was 60 but I still think its worth it. Sadly nothing great is cheap. I also agree run tren 500mg/week with test at 250 a week. You can see how you respond then adjust

Ya I ALWAYS make sher I have a solid PCT for the cycle at hand. But I also think most test boosters are not worth the price. Some are but most are not. Have you tried No.17?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Ok I guess that's not to bad 1 30mg @ .25 2x wk. Will last me 15weeks?!?! I just mite go with that. I've heard it's better than prami as far as sides but that they both work well. I've read IF you can handle the prami sides that that's the better option not only cuz of price but if taken at night it helps with sleep....... BUT not sher if I want to risk the sides.......?!?!

Yes I have ran Tren A @450wk for 7 weeks and loved it. I think your right on that. My Test is 300 so I think I'll go with:

Test E @ 300wk weeks 1-10 then up it to 600wk 11-15 after Tren is done
Tren E @ 500wk weeks 1-10

Look good?

All I have planned for my PCT right now is Nolva and Clomid.

And ya I'd love to do a log

Well just do the math if you look at it you're actually going to get 60 weeks out of it. If it comes in 30 mL and you are running a half milliliter per week you're looking at 60 weeks total so yeah, It will last you more than a year if you wanted. I'd recommend something to jumpstart your balls approx 2 weeks after you cut the test. Also, as soon as you are done running the tren, I'd throw in GW for approx 8 weeks. That stuff completely dominates muscle waisting.

http://www.sarms1.com/gw-501516


As far as cost in concerned, I do not need to tell you that this is not a poor mans game bro. We are on the cutting edge. This isn't the 80s where you run deca only cycles to be the high school football hero and not worry about sides. The media is 10% right when they discuss steroids, only because of the old protocols. Gone are the days where you run a Tren E cycle and lose all your gains when you come off. I don't know about you but I work hard for my gains on cycle or off-cycle. Throw gw & osta in your PCT, run the on cycle support protocol and you are going to swear by these boards.

 

[gymfean]

Well just do the math if you look at it you're actually going to get 60 weeks out of it. If it comes in 30 mL and you are running a half milliliter per week you're looking at 60 weeks total so yeah, It will last you more than a year if you wanted. I'd recommend something to jumpstart your balls approx 2 weeks after you cut the test. Also, as soon as you are done running the tren, I'd throw in GW for approx 8 weeks. That stuff completely dominates muscle waisting.


As far as cost in concerned, I do not need to tell you that this is not a poor mans game bro. We are on the cutting edge. This isn't the 80s where you run deca only cycles to be the high school football hero and not worry about sides. The media is 10% right when they discuss steroids, only because of the old protocols. Gone are the days where you run a Tren E cycle and lose all your gains when you come off. I don't know about you but I work hard for my gains on cycle or off-cycle. Throw gw & osta in your PCT, run the on cycle support protocol and you are going to swear by these boards.

okay you just confused me a little bit. isn't it 30 @ .25mg. And I'm taking .25mg twice a week? That would make it 15 weeks?

and I've lost myself in all this information a little bit. Lol. would you mind posting the full PCT up with dosage so I can see it as a whole?

and don't worry I don't mind spending the money I'm not trying to be cheap about this. Lol. I just want to make sure if I'm spending $200 on a single bottle its proven and worth it.