thanks nomak666 for the advice, the only thing in the cycle thats new to me here is the tren and im askin you guys to fill me in on how the stack looks suggestions and so forth, not that you all have not been very helpful you have. ive been using aas for the better part of a decade and have learned little about because iive been keeping it a secret and the only person who new was who i got it from and we know what there agenda is