Training on a cycle

[oldman260]

Ok.. I am having this debate with this trainer at the gym.. he says train the following on a cycle or off a cycle.. he says it does not matter!!!!!!!!!


Mon Shoulders & tris
tue cardio
wed back & bis
Thur Chest & tris
fri Cardio
Sat Cardio * bis
Sun Legs

Abbs & neck & Calves 3 days a week

The above is about 12 Sets for each body part and bis and tris are 8 sets. Note ONLY DOING MAJORS ONE DAY A WEEK.



I SAY train the following When on a cycle..

Monday Chest 12 sets Shoulders 15 sets tris 9 sets
Tues - Cardio abs calves neck0
Wed Back 15-18 sets Bis 9 sets
Thurs Chest - 20 sets tris 9 sets
Fri Cardio - abs, neck, calves
Sat - Back 12 sets bis 9 sets - Cardio
Sun Legs 20 sets.


What do you guys think is the first even enough with out gear or should you do more?

And is the second enough with a cycle or is it too much?

Does anybody train twice a day on a cycle?

I just started a cycle after two weeks of 12 rep sets to condition my myself Prior to that I took 3 weeks off... I am no going to kick down to 8-10 reps for one week then 6-8 reps for 3 weeks then 3-5 reps for another 3 weeks.


1-4 Prop 100 mg ed
1-8 Deca 300 mg weekly
1-8 eq 300 mg weekly
8-12 winny 25 mg ed
1-12 cypionate 1000 mg weekly

arimidex the whole way thru.. week 6 a whole bottle of gonadtopin over 2 days

I may kick the test up to 1200 mg weekly

I am 240lb six foot 12% bf --
My diet it 3500 to 4000 cals a day all lean 45-75 carbs per meal 5 to 6 meals a day. Protein at 1.5 to 2.0 of body weight..
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Oldman

 

[ruggermu]

Well I don't use either of those splits, but I do train the same way on or off.

Mon Chest
Tues Back
Wed off
Thurs Shoulders
Fri Arms
Sat off
Sun legs

I actually do legs on Sat when it's not rugby season but switch to sun Since we play on Saturdays. For Cardio the team runs daily.

 

[bigtravis]

looks to me you are over training your smaller muscle groups. remember you're working the hell out of your bi's and tri's if you were just working the chest or back only.

 

[oldman260]

looks to me you are over training your smaller muscle groups. remember you're working the hell out of your bi's and tri's if you were just working the chest or back only.

Yea.. That was what I was thinking a little.. I always trained 3 days on 2 off.. The two off I did cardio light... basically hitting back legs and chest every five days.. now with this routine i am the back legs chest every 7 days.

I only cycle on juice twice a year.. I want to maximize this cycle.

Sometimes I think I should be training on feel rather than routine. But a routine gets you to the gym. Feel can let you down if you lose some motivation.

 

[1392477]

Training Intensity + Diet + Rest = GROWTH

Training 7 days a weeks is very taxing on the body and leads to burnout. It's good to skip the gym a couple of days per week and add outdoor activities to break up the routine. (basketball, running stairs, biking, etc.)

Here is a routine that works for me:

Day 1 - Chest - 5 heavy sets of bench
3 sets of DB incline press
3 sets of machine press to failure
Tri - 3 heavy sets of glose grip bench press (Smith machine)
3 sets of cable pushdown
3 sets of dips @ bodyweight + (to failure)
Calfs - 3 sets of seated calf raises
3 sets of standing calf raises

Day 2 - Back - 5 heavy sets of bent over rows
3 sets of pulldowns
3 sets of rows
3 sets of hyperextensions (weighted)
Bi - 3 sets of standing BB curls
3 sets of DB Hammer curls
3 sets of alternate curls on incline bench (to failure)

Day 3 - Cardio or outdoor activity

Day 4 - Shoulders - 5 sets of heavy military press
3 sets of lateral raises
3 sets of front raises
3 sets of rear delt raises
Traps - 3 sets of Upright Rows
3 sets of BB Shrugs
3 sets of DB shrugs
Neck - 3 sets of neck extensions (with head harness + plate)
Calfs - 3 sets of seated calf raises
3 sets of standing calf raises

Day 5 - Legs - 5 sets of heavy squats
3 sets of leg press or hack squats
3 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
3 sets of leg extensions (to failure)
3 sets of leg curls

Day 6 - Cardio or outdoors

Day 7 - OFF

This hits all of your major body parts heavy and leaves you enought time to recover. Each workout should be done with increasing intensity (shorter rest times, increased weight). With or without juice this should increase strength and add a some size.

 

[stuck]

I say you both overtrain.

 

[oldman260]

that could be...Maybe I am over training... that is why I am asking.. Now I am not into power lifting.. I am into BB... This is a new routine for me.. So am not sure...

 

[markshark]

is it necessary to do cardio when on a cycle? for example, if i eat good and clean and train hard with weights 4 days a week then wouldnt the test/deca mix take care of some of that excess bodyfat?

 

[1392477]

you always want to keep your heart in shape. most AAS increase BP and negatively effect your HDL and LDL levels. A little cardio (20 mins x 3 days/week) is always advisable.

It also matters if you are doing a bulk cycle or a cutting cycle.

 

[zrock]

Monday- Back, Abs
Tuesday- Chest, Calves
Wednesday- Quads, Abs
Thursday- Triceps, Biceps, Calves
Friday- Shoulders, Abs
Saturday- Hamstrings, Calves
Sunday- Off

I like to train calves at least 3 times per week because that is the only way I seem to get any results. I used this for my last cycle and it worked great. I felt I was able to really nail each muscle and did not risk over training by only training each major muscle group once EW. I used to train the shit out of every muscle group two or three times a week, but I found I got way better results this way.

 

[asianlover]

Mon Chest
Tues Back
Wed off
Thurs Shoulders
Fri Arms
Sat off
Sun legs

this is a good split.

btw tell that trainer he is an idiot.