To all you dumb bastards who honestly think sexuality is a choice.

[atlantabiolab]

Ok it would take me too long to point out all the defunct parts of your post.

To summarize: Human nature is that short term benefit is always given much more weight than long term consequences. I never said people don't act in ways that cause them hardship, of course they do- any moron can see this. The POINT is that the reason they act that way is because they feel there is some SHORT TERM benefit (that is when it is in fact a CHOICE). Could any educated person argue this point?

You are.

That is why it is a compelling argument against the fact that homosexuality is a choice. The "choice" to be attracted to men causes absolutely no short term benefit of any kind. Gays realize this will cause them persecution and pain... why would anyone choose this?

I must assume that you are iliterate, but since I did not type loud enough for you, I will repeat myself: I am not arguing against a genetic component of homosexuality, simply the erroneous argument that people can never make decisions and act in manners that cause them harm.

How can you not see this... are you truly that caught up in your own convoluted ramblings?

Apparently you think any point not made objectively has no merit... an interesting concept.

Obviously you base your reasoning on feelings; the very reliable source of understanding for children.

It's so simple. Did you choose to be heterosexual or was this the only possible sexual orientation you could have? Did you choose to like women? Were you equally attracted to both sexes and you just chose which one you would involve yourself with?

Since you did not understand my original post, I will play devil's advocate once more: were the ancient Greeks homosexual by nature or choice? Are the heavily lesbian feminist students on college campuses, who flock to courses where professors lambast and degrade men daily, all lesbian by nature?

The answer to all these questions is no.... so how is it logical to assume that it is any different for homosexuals?

Perhaps you have latent homosexual tendencies which make this thought experiment too painful.

Thank you for finishing your post with this piece of evidence to show that your reasoning is corrupted by pseudo-scientific rhetoric. Your final quip destroys your credibility more effectively than my own efforts.

 

[Lift Chief]

You are.



I must assume that you are iliterate, but since I did not type loud enough for you, I will repeat myself: I am not arguing against a genetic component of homosexuality, simply the erroneous argument that people can never make decisions and act in manners that cause them harm.


What does how loudly you type have to do with my level of literarcy? Erroneous, great word- son... listen to me... i AM NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE NEVER ACT IN WAYS THAT CAUSE THEM HARM. I AM SAYING THAT WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A CHOICE IT IS PICKED TO MAXIMIZE THEIR BENEFIT... typically this is short term as this is human nature.

Are you too dense to realize i'm not even arguing this point with you?



Obviously you base your reasoning on feelings; the very reliable source of understanding for children.


Wow what a gross overgeneralization. I don't base my reasoning on feelings as you seem to keep implying. It's obvious by this point that you could never grasp the concept of empathising with another's condition. I asked you to imagine if you found yourself feeling for men what you do for women... and you reply with "obviously you base your reasoning on feelings". What a complete and utter misunderstanding of the point.



Since you did not understand my original post, I will play devil's advocate once more: were the ancient Greeks homosexual by nature or choice? Are the heavily lesbian feminist students on college campuses, who flock to courses where professors lambast and degrade men daily, all lesbian by nature?


WOW- what the hell are you talking about? The heavily lesbian feminists? Are most feminists lesbians now? Great stereotype. Why are you using the ancient greeks as an example? That only proves that homosexuality has existed at least as long as society has. Apparently you know that the ancient Greeks were homosexual by choice... ummm what are you basing this on?


Thank you for finishing your post with this piece of evidence to show that your reasoning is corrupted by pseudo-scientific rhetoric. Your final quip destroys your credibility more effectively than my own efforts.


LOL- pseudo-scientific rhetoric eh? Please show me anywhere where i've used this "pseudo-scientific rhetoric, if you even understand what this is.

Typically those who are unable or unwilling to relate to homosexuals, and look at the subject as if they were one of them, have issues which makes this much too psychologically destructive to attempt.

 

[Lift Chief]

LOL, Damn you are one little desperate gay dude to come on here and try to show everyone that you were not born gay. If being gay is so normal than why the fuck are you trying to justify it?

First off,
I don't give a fuck about whether your gay or whether some gay guy posted some study showing changes in brain size at birth.

Second,
The only thing this study shows is how part of the homosexual brain is half as large as the same part in the heterosexual brain thus reaffirming my belief that this behavior is abnormal.

Third,
You will never EVER convince me that this behavior is normal.

You know I can honestly say I respect alot of the gays on this board but you sure have some fucking nerve coming on here calling us dumb bastards because you think your view of homosexuality is the right one. You are what I call a TINK!!!!

No one is saying that this behavior is NORMAL. How can you read all these posts and completely miss the point?

Clearly it is abnormal behavior. This is not the way things should be happening.... otherwise the human race would die out. The point, my dear bible thumper, is that it is not a choice. I feel sympathy for their plight, it must be difficult to deal with.

 

[FreakMonster]

No one is saying that this behavior is NORMAL. How can you read all these posts and completely miss the point?

Clearly it is abnormal behavior. This is not the way things should be happening.... otherwise the human race would die out. The point, my dear bible thumper, is that it is not a choice. I feel sympathy for their plight, it must be difficult to deal with.

I didn't miss the point. It's obvious he is making this post to try and justify that his behavior is normal because of brain size. I still feel that homosexuality is not genetic but I won't get into another arguement about that.

 

[Lift Chief]

I didn't miss the point. It's obvious he is making this post to try and justify that his behavior is normal because of brain size. I still feel that homosexuality is not genetic but I won't get into another arguement about that.

But you did miss the point because he never said this was normal behavior at all. The sheer fact that like, what, 1-5% of the population is homosexual shows that it is not "normal". The brain size issue was brought up to address the choice concept. GODDAMMIT I TOLD YOU YOU MISSED THE POINT SON.

I really hope people who think homosexuality is a choice have a loving, handsome, intelligent, and gay son... i really wonder if you'd still believe what you do if that was the case.

 

[FreakMonster]

But you did miss the point because he never said this was normal behavior at all. The sheer fact that like, what, 1-5% of the population is homosexual shows that it is not "normal". The brain size issue was brought up to address the choice concept. GODDAMMIT I TOLD YOU YOU MISSED THE POINT SON.

I really hope people who think homosexuality is a choice have a loving, handsome, intelligent, and gay son... i really wonder if you'd still believe what you do if that was the case.

The whole point of this thread was for him to justify his gayness. If you can see that SON you are a freaking MORON!!!!

 

[Lift Chief]

The whole point of this thread was for him to justify his gayness. If you can see that SON you are a freaking MORON!!!!

Of course he's trying to justify it you fucking simpleton- but he was NOT saying it was normal as the justification for it- he was saying that it is not a conscious choice (that is his justification). Therefore, you missed the point.

Are all bible thumpers this goddamn stupid?

 

[FreakMonster]

Of course he's trying to justify it you fucking simpleton- but he was NOT saying it was normal as the justification for it- he was saying that it is not a conscious choice (that is his justification). Therefore, you missed the point.

Are all bible thumpers this goddamn stupid?

Justification=trying to be normal

How can you not see that? You are the simpleton. Now go home and bash your head against a wall.

 

[FreakMonster]

bend over.

I am but I don't feel anything.

 

[Lift Chief]

Justification=trying to be normal

How can you not see that? You are the simpleton. Now go home and bash your head against a wall.

That is so stupid. There are countless ways to justify something you peon. That equation implys the only way for one to justify their actions is under the guise of normality... that is simply not true.

bend over.

 

[gymtime]

Sinner Bump.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Are all bible thumpers this goddamn stupid?

its funny that threads with these kinds of comments dont get locked but somehow racist threads get locked in about 10 minutes. just to test this theory im going to start one now. everyone post on it.

 

[distanced]

 

[Lift Chief]

its funny that threads with these kinds of comments dont get locked but somehow racist threads get locked in about 10 minutes. just to test this theory im going to start one now. everyone post on it.

Christian extremists have not been persecuted for hundreds of years as certain ethnicities have... something tells me a history like that makes people a bit more sensitive to insults.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Christian extremists have not been persecuted for hundreds of years as certain ethnicities have... something tells me a history like that makes people a bit more sensitive to insults.

youre right. Christians have never been persecuted. ever.


i was just saying that i think its insane how constantly people can belittle eachother on threads and say terribly hurtful remarks with complete disregard to other people and their feelings, but as soon as someone makes a don king joke its LOCKED BANNED. just look at that thread started by hs lifter completley bashing Jesus. in fun or not its still a terrible thing to say given the religious precepts of a large proportion of the members of this board. im willing to bet my loud black people thread gets closed and that one doesnt. thats the only reason that i made that thread anways

 

[Lift Chief]

youre right. Christians have never been persecuted. ever.


i was just saying that i think its insane how constantly people can belittle eachother on threads and say terribly hurtful remarks with complete disregard to other people and their feelings, but as soon as someone makes a don king joke its LOCKED BANNED. just look at that thread started by hs lifter completley bashing Jesus. in fun or not its still a terrible thing to say given the religious precepts of a large proportion of the members of this board. im willing to bet my loud black people thread gets closed and that one doesnt. thats the only reason that i made that thread anways

I never said christians have never been persecuted. Obviously they were by the Roman's when christianity was just a fledgling religion 2000 yeras ago.

I suppose it has to do with how recently this has been occurring. Within the past say 1000 years or so Christianity has actually done the persecuting... thats probably another part of the reason why people dont get bothered by those who criticize it.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I know I am just sick of people like tiger88, freakmonster, and curling who decided that it is a choice even though the base that off of nothing.

Add me to your list holmes, do do brown boys are disgusting and you always have a choice___ALWAYS

For me it is choice, do I want some nasty anal action with a guy? or do I want a sweet, soft, velvet, with my wife? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

Easy one dude, a no brainer...crap on my beautiful love muscle or sweet honey dew? For me it is real easy...Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve.

YOU DO WHAT YOU CHOOSE, but dont expect me to accept this YOUR CHOICE as normal, genetic or intelligent.

SH4DOWF4LCON

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

I never said christians have never been persecuted. Obviously they were by the Roman's when christianity was just a fledgling religion 2000 yeras ago.

I suppose it has to do with how recently this has been occurring. Within the past say 1000 years or so Christianity has actually done the persecuting... thats probably another part of the reason why people dont get bothered by those who criticize it.

im sure thats a very valid point to a lot of people. i guess for the sake of not starting a flame war we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[Lift Chief]

Add me to your list holmes, do do brown boys are disgusting and you always have a choice___ALWAYS

For me it is choice, do I want some nasty anal action with a guy? or do I want a sweet, soft, velvet, with my wife? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

Easy one dude, a no brainer...crap on my beautiful love muscle or sweet honey dew? For me it is real easy...Adam and EVE not Adam and Steve.

YOU DO WHAT YOU CHOOSE, but dont expect me to accept this YOUR CHOICE as normal, genetic or intelligent.

SH4DOWF4LCON

Don't you understand homosexuals are not attracted to women. Of course from your perspective it seems ridiculous... but they are different than you. They look at men as you look at women.

We have another idiot to add to the list.

 

[Monkey Pox]

The bottom line is everyone thinks they are right, or they wouldn't believe what they believe. That about sums it up. All the rest is just elaborating.

 

[eurorides]

does anyone think it may be due to how your brought up and life experiences maybe? not saying all but im sure some are....and i dont think people are gay by choice, i mean you gotta be fucked up to think another guy is sexually atractive, and u gotta be even more fucked up to see a beautiful woman and not have anything for her.

 

[Tiervexx]

If a person can be hypnotised to find a brush or a chair attractive (like stage hypnotists do) then I see no reason why in theory, a straight person couldn't be hypnotised to be gay or vice versa as long as the subject was willing.

None of that is real you fool!!!

If you would do some research on how real hypnosis works you would find that it simply does not work that way. Go do a search for old Scientific American articles.

Hypnosis can have a large variety of effects on memory but it can not be used to make you do something that you don't want to do.

What’s next? You going to make me explain how someone can change sexuality in a movie?

 

[Tiervexx]

Answer this: Why is it that a man might have say a foot fetish? Is it built into his genetics or is it something to do with the way he was brought up?

When you come up with an answer, give me your reasoning and what may have triggered off this fetish.

I don't know too many details about fetishes but obviously there is an enormous difference from a feeling directed towards a girl and one directed towards a guy.

The parts of the brain that were examined in the study I posted are very complex. It varied in all subjects but obviously it is too much of a coincidence that gay men all have much smaller ones than strait men.

The point that alot of people have been trying to make is that it isn't a choice. I'm attracted to certain types of women because I feel an urge that inclines me to be attracted to them, it isn't a choice. Most gay guys I've met claim they were never aroused by looking at a woman, and they find men sexy. They never made a choice, it is just their natural inclination.

Who knows if it is genetic, and determined at conception, or if it is strictly psycological due to environmental factors early in life, however it doesn't appear to be a conscious choice.

Exactly, it is instinct.

 

[Tiervexx]

Don't you understand homosexuals are not attracted to women. Of course from your perspective it seems ridiculous... but they are different than you. They look at men as you look at women.

We have another idiot to add to the list.

Yes we do.

So many people are totally incapable of putting themselves in another’s situation just because it seems strange.

 

[Tiervexx]

Damn FM............this is a chat board. This thread is more relevant than 96% of the absolute crap posted around here.

Save for some TB threads that is.

Exactly!

I made this tread because I have not argued with anyone for a while and I wanted to start one. I can't believe anyone honestly thinks I am trying to justify anything.

 

[collegiateLifter]

does anyone think it may be due to how your brought up and life experiences maybe? not saying all but im sure some are....and i dont think people are gay by choice, i mean you gotta be fucked up to think another guy is sexually atractive, and u gotta be even more fucked up to see a beautiful woman and not have anything for her.

one man's trash is another man's treasure

it's all relative no?

 

[Spruceman]

If you Bible folk are citing Leviticus [during a time the Israelites were wandering in the desert and had to enforce breeding to survive as a group -- NOT in an overpopulated world of today], then you better stop eating cheeseburgers as those prohibitions also forbade mixing meat with dairy -- or even drinking milk from a wooden vessel.

If being gay is such an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, why did Jesus H Christ say noting about the subject. Yet he did rail against adultry -- something which at least 50% of straight men are guilty of. He also spoke out against judging and said only he without sin should cast the first stone.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

If you Bible folk are citing Leviticus [during a time the Israelites were wandering in the desert and had to enforce breeding to survive as a group -- NOT in an overpopulated world of today], then you better stop eating cheeseburgers as those prohibitions also forbade mixing meat with dairy -- or even drinking milk from a wooden vessel.

If being gay is such an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, why did Jesus H Christ say noting about the subject. Yet he did rail against adultry -- something which at least 50% of straight men are guilty of. He also spoke out against judging and said only he without sin should cast the first stone.

you going to quote me all the levitican laws? you think ive never read leviticus 18-19? if you wanna get into a theological debate im in. im talking about romans 1. the entire chapter. read it and then post again. if you read my original post aobut it then you would know what i was talkign about. in matthew 5 or 6 or somewhere in therw (the sermon on the mount) Jesus defines adultery as looking lustfully, so everyone is guilty of it. Boy im glad Jesus died to pay for my sins. I cant believe you have the gumption to bring up the 'let he without sin cast the first stone' where in my post was there anything about judging anyone... (crickets chirping) thats what i thought. i equated hetero lust and homosexual lust as both being sins in the eyes of the Father. i think youre just tryin to sound smart and trying unsuccessfully to make a point, which you didnt.

youre the kind of person that really annoys me. you have little or no Biblical knowledge at all and you expect to come here and jsut call everyone out.

 

[Tiervexx]

Hey juicedmullet in your opinion is there any strong evidence in the bible that suggests that homosexuality is any more of a sin than any other form of adultery?

Also I would just like to say that I just had a ham and turkey sandwich with swiss cheese on wheat bread and it was great

 

[Tiervexx]

Tiervexx...if ever there was a good time to be gay, this is it. Pay yourself on the back for impecable timing.

Seriously...........I tried to go gay since women are clinically insane. I can not do a man ass, no interest in female ass either. Maybe you are fortunate.

LOL

At my age being gay is always a curse but once I am on my own you are right. I will get to laugh at all my strait friends bitching about women.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Have you ever read Plato's Symposium? One theme concerns the learned men of the day and their common choice to have a young, virile apprentice whom they would teach and fuck the shit out of. Much of the book consists of speeches which in different ways defend their CHOICE.

These men obviously chose to have sexual relations with other males. A large portion of the society was involved in homosexual acts.

On another note, very many women who go into the "entertainment" industry end up regularly enjoying lesbian sex. These are women who never had sexual desires for other women before, but tried it and liked it. Looks like they found something they liked and CHOSE to partake in it.

My point is, it is sexual PREFERENCE. To prefer means "to like better or best." There are certain kinds of women that I find more attractive than others; they are my preference.

On yet another note, I prefer to eat junk food over healthful food, but that doesn't mean my preference is right. Some employers prefer to hire certain races/sexes over others. Doesn't mean it's right. Just because you feel like you have an inate preference for something doesn't completely justify it.

Keep in mind I'm playing devil's advocate here. I just can't stand stupidity. Doesn't matter which side the stupidity is on.

 

[tiger88]

Leviticus 20, verse 13

" If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. "

Leviticus 18, verse 22

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. "

Romans 1, verse 26

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. "

I hope you and that shirtless, heathen farmer enjoy yourselves frying in the pits of hell together!!

MEGA KARMA BLAST THATS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR......ya bro u better stop sucking cock......how can u think a dude is a hot ? lol thats funny.....they stink like shit....chics got 2 holes too ....so u can mix it up more too

 

[slobberknocker]

I was gay yesterday. But today I'm straight. I'm thinking about switching back to gay though in the next couple minutes. I'll keep you all updated.

 

[Tiervexx]

Hey juicedmullet in your opinion is there any strong evidence in the bible that suggests that homosexuality is any more of a sin than any other form of adultery?

Also I would just like to say that I just had a ham and turkey sandwich with swiss cheese on wheat bread and it was great

you did not answer my question.

 

[Tiervexx]

MEGA KARMA BLAST THATS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR......ya bro u better stop sucking cock......how can u think a dude is a hot ? lol thats funny.....they stink like shit....chics got 2 holes too ....so u can mix it up more too

You seem like a decent guy tiger88 but you’re not too bright.

 

[Testosterone boy]

You seem like a decent guy tiger88 but you’re not too bright.

He is just flat stupid.

 

[p0ink]

Hey juicedmullet in your opinion is there any strong evidence in the bible that suggests that homosexuality is any more of a sin than any other form of adultery?

Also I would just like to say that I just had a ham and turkey sandwich with swiss cheese on wheat bread and it was great

all sin is equal under the eyes of God, except for denying him and something else which i forgot.

 

[Tiervexx]

He is just flat stupid.

I was being nice.

 

[white boy]

You seem like a decent guy tiger88 but you?re not too bright.

Not too brig?ht

Who can argue with two holes??

 

[tiger88]

He is just flat stupid.

o well........I am stading 6 3 at 245 and on a full sports scholarship so my life doesnt suck

 

[Tiervexx]

o well........I am stading 6 3 at 245 and on a full sports scholarship so my life doesnt suck

Of course. People like you don't really need brains.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Hey juicedmullet in your opinion is there any strong evidence in the bible that suggests that homosexuality is any more of a sin than any other form of adultery?

Also I would just like to say that I just had a ham and turkey sandwich with swiss cheese on wheat bread and it was great

'

i would say not actually. in the new testament anyways. im not really clear about what romans 1 actually means when it says that "they were handed over to their evil desires" but sin in any means separates you from God. the end result is the same

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

you did not answer my question.

sorry dude i was out of town for the weekend. i did post to your question though. and btw tiger you know about as much about levitican laws as someone that just happened to open the bible up to lev 18 or 19

 

[gainer_uk]

I don't know too many details about fetishes but obviously there is an enormous difference from a feeling directed towards a girl and one directed towards a guy.

The parts of the brain that were examined in the study I posted are very complex. It varied in all subjects but obviously it is too much of a coincidence that gay men all have much smaller ones than strait men.

You avoided my questions. Are you a politician?

There is a huge difference between feeling attracted to a guy or a girl when you say it like that. But to your brain, where attraction takes place, it just sees : -

male, female
fat, thin
skinny, tall
blonde, brunette

You should be able to decipher my your point if you're as clever as you try to make out.

That study, while I'm not doubting the results as I've said before means nothing. We obviously don't know much about the brain and there's no doubt that a persons environment (stress levels as an example), can change the physical nature of the brain.

Also, it seems to have been performed by gay men, who like you are determined to prove that they we're born like that and don't just have some psychological disorder (deviation from norm).

None of that is real you fool!!!

If you would do some research on how real hypnosis works you would find that it simply does not work that way. Go do a search for old Scientific American articles.

Hypnosis can have a large variety of effects on memory but it can not be used to make you do something that you don't want to do.

What’s next? You going to make me explain how someone can change sexuality in a movie?

Well, seeing as I'm a part-time (soon to be full-time) hypnotherapist, I'm laughing quite hard here because you're trying to tell me that the field I've studied for the last six years and practice on clients every day is not real.

I can almost hear you sayin 'oh fuck' to yourself now, but you won't admit that of course.

Stage hypnosis is very real and it is also very possible to make someone feel attracted to a prop as simple as a brush. If you can't accept this simple fact, then there's really no point in us taking the discussion any further.

it can not be used to make you do something that you don't want to do.

Correct. Which is why I said "as long as the subject was willing."

Did you convenietly forget to read that or was it just a mistake?

See Tiervexx, Your completely missing the point, which for someone obviously so intelligent I find hard to believe.

The point is that if someone can be hypnotised (nothing magical...just simple relaxation and imagination) to find a lifeless object attractive without any physiological interference then this PROVES that any form of attraction lies in the mind.

The genes make up the ability to think and determine how a persons mind thinks, they DO NOT determine what the mind thinks.

Therefore, attraction is learned behaviour and independant of the genes.

 

[FreakMonster]

TIEVEREXX=OWNED!!!

 

[DeepZenPill]

 

[Tiervexx]

Well, seeing as I'm a part-time (soon to be full-time) hypnotherapist, I'm laughing quite hard here because you're trying to tell me that the field I've studied for the last six years and practice on clients every day is not real.

I can almost hear you sayin 'oh fuck' to yourself now, but you won't admit that of course.

Stage hypnosis is very real and it is also very possible to make someone feel attracted to a prop as simple as a brush. If you can't accept this simple fact, then there's really no point in us taking the discussion any further.

Then the Scientific American article lied.

This does make since because you can in dreams do things that you never let yourself do while awake.

But this still does not prove that it is purely physiological. When you are asleep or in an altered state for any other reason (such as hypnosis) your brain functions differently than it does while awake. We still don't completely understand how the brain is affected by such things, but we do know that parts of the brain "shut off".

Given what you just said it seems that it is possible to "turn off" the parts of the brain that normally control various different kinds of behavior including sexuality. Once these parts of the brain are turned off other things such as their imagination would take over.

But no matter what you can get them to do while hypnotized, they will still return to what ever is normal for them once their brain is fully functional.

 

[Tiervexx]

Therefore, attraction is learned behaviour and independant of the genes.

I agree that someone's state of mind and upbringing can be very important to all forms of behavior but you know that genetics are still a huge factor.

Anger management is a good example. Someone with good parents will almost always have much better self control than someone who was abused or someone who was never disciplined when they where younger. But genetics are still a very important factor, because certain hormones are necessary for anger just like all other emotions. If they have abnormally low levels of those hormones they will not be able to get nearly as angry and violent as someone who has abnormally high levels of those hormones regardless of how they where raised.

If chemicals have no effect on behavior than how is it that many drugs can completely change what kind of person you are?

Sexuality might not be much different. I agree that many details about it might be affected by personality but certain chemicals could still have a large affect on basic details such as how masculine or feminine you like people to be.

One example of a chemical attraction is smell. Both male and female pubic areas have unique scents. Many strait guys and gay girls will go on and on about how much they love the smell of pussy but hate the way penises smell. Likewise many gay men find the smell of male pubic sweat to be very erotic. I know that many people who have researched pheromone responses would agree with me that this part of the brain is very primitive and it is almost certain that these responses can only be based on instinct.

 

[Tiervexx]

And the final proof that some of it is instinctual is that the majority of gay people liked members of the same sex long before they knew what sexuality is, and long before anyone could have influenced it. I remember having a crush on a guy long before I even knew what a crush was. I was later taught that homosexuality is wrong so I suppressed it for years. I did not know that I was gay until about a year ago but looking back it is very obvious that I always was.

If sexuality is purely mental instead of physical how is it that so many where gay at such a young age?

 

[Testosterone boy]

OK........OK..........we got your point bro.

 

[Tiervexx]

TIEVEREXX=OWNED!!!

NO.

gainer_uk made some good points about how your mind could affect sexuality and behavior but he is still far away from proving that it is the ONLY factor.

And even if he did you are in no position to speak. His post is a thousand times more relevant than everything you have ever said combine. The only thing you have ever managed to prove is that you are totally incapable of thinking.

 

[Monkey Pox]

No one is convincing anyone, nor will they. Just be secure and believe what you believe.

 

[Tiervexx]

Just be secure and believe what you believe.

But arguments are fun!

 

[Monkey Pox]

Then don't come crying to me later when you get owned.

 

[Tiervexx]

Then don't come crying to me later when you get owned.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Don't you understand homosexuals are not attracted to women. Of course from your perspective it seems ridiculous... but they are different than you. They look at men as you look at women.

We have another idiot to add to the list.

We have another idiot to add to the list.

That's right Bro, I am an idiot. If idiot means that I do not accept homos as genetic then you are correct I am an idiot. I dont feel hate for homosexuals, but I do not accept their queer desires as normal or genetic.

Moreover, you are also correct in stating I view this as rediculous. I won't bash anyone for THEIR CHOICE, but I will not cower down to accept their decision to be a homo as anything other than a Choice...not genetics.