To all you dumb bastards who honestly think sexuality is a choice.

[Tiervexx]

o well........I am stading 6 3 at 245 and on a full sports scholarship so my life doesnt suck

Of course. People like you don't really need brains.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Hey juicedmullet in your opinion is there any strong evidence in the bible that suggests that homosexuality is any more of a sin than any other form of adultery?

Also I would just like to say that I just had a ham and turkey sandwich with swiss cheese on wheat bread and it was great

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i would say not actually. in the new testament anyways. im not really clear about what romans 1 actually means when it says that "they were handed over to their evil desires" but sin in any means separates you from God. the end result is the same

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

you did not answer my question.

sorry dude i was out of town for the weekend. i did post to your question though. and btw tiger you know about as much about levitican laws as someone that just happened to open the bible up to lev 18 or 19

 

[gainer_uk]

I don't know too many details about fetishes but obviously there is an enormous difference from a feeling directed towards a girl and one directed towards a guy.

The parts of the brain that were examined in the study I posted are very complex. It varied in all subjects but obviously it is too much of a coincidence that gay men all have much smaller ones than strait men.

You avoided my questions. Are you a politician?

There is a huge difference between feeling attracted to a guy or a girl when you say it like that. But to your brain, where attraction takes place, it just sees : -

male, female
fat, thin
skinny, tall
blonde, brunette

You should be able to decipher my your point if you're as clever as you try to make out.

That study, while I'm not doubting the results as I've said before means nothing. We obviously don't know much about the brain and there's no doubt that a persons environment (stress levels as an example), can change the physical nature of the brain.

Also, it seems to have been performed by gay men, who like you are determined to prove that they we're born like that and don't just have some psychological disorder (deviation from norm).

None of that is real you fool!!!

If you would do some research on how real hypnosis works you would find that it simply does not work that way. Go do a search for old Scientific American articles.

Hypnosis can have a large variety of effects on memory but it can not be used to make you do something that you don't want to do.

What’s next? You going to make me explain how someone can change sexuality in a movie?

Well, seeing as I'm a part-time (soon to be full-time) hypnotherapist, I'm laughing quite hard here because you're trying to tell me that the field I've studied for the last six years and practice on clients every day is not real.

I can almost hear you sayin 'oh fuck' to yourself now, but you won't admit that of course.

Stage hypnosis is very real and it is also very possible to make someone feel attracted to a prop as simple as a brush. If you can't accept this simple fact, then there's really no point in us taking the discussion any further.

it can not be used to make you do something that you don't want to do.

Correct. Which is why I said "as long as the subject was willing."

Did you convenietly forget to read that or was it just a mistake?

See Tiervexx, Your completely missing the point, which for someone obviously so intelligent I find hard to believe.

The point is that if someone can be hypnotised (nothing magical...just simple relaxation and imagination) to find a lifeless object attractive without any physiological interference then this PROVES that any form of attraction lies in the mind.

The genes make up the ability to think and determine how a persons mind thinks, they DO NOT determine what the mind thinks.

Therefore, attraction is learned behaviour and independant of the genes.

 

[FreakMonster]

TIEVEREXX=OWNED!!!

 

[DeepZenPill]

 

[Tiervexx]

Well, seeing as I'm a part-time (soon to be full-time) hypnotherapist, I'm laughing quite hard here because you're trying to tell me that the field I've studied for the last six years and practice on clients every day is not real.

I can almost hear you sayin 'oh fuck' to yourself now, but you won't admit that of course.

Stage hypnosis is very real and it is also very possible to make someone feel attracted to a prop as simple as a brush. If you can't accept this simple fact, then there's really no point in us taking the discussion any further.

Then the Scientific American article lied.

This does make since because you can in dreams do things that you never let yourself do while awake.

But this still does not prove that it is purely physiological. When you are asleep or in an altered state for any other reason (such as hypnosis) your brain functions differently than it does while awake. We still don't completely understand how the brain is affected by such things, but we do know that parts of the brain "shut off".

Given what you just said it seems that it is possible to "turn off" the parts of the brain that normally control various different kinds of behavior including sexuality. Once these parts of the brain are turned off other things such as their imagination would take over.

But no matter what you can get them to do while hypnotized, they will still return to what ever is normal for them once their brain is fully functional.

 

[Tiervexx]

Therefore, attraction is learned behaviour and independant of the genes.

I agree that someone's state of mind and upbringing can be very important to all forms of behavior but you know that genetics are still a huge factor.

Anger management is a good example. Someone with good parents will almost always have much better self control than someone who was abused or someone who was never disciplined when they where younger. But genetics are still a very important factor, because certain hormones are necessary for anger just like all other emotions. If they have abnormally low levels of those hormones they will not be able to get nearly as angry and violent as someone who has abnormally high levels of those hormones regardless of how they where raised.

If chemicals have no effect on behavior than how is it that many drugs can completely change what kind of person you are?

Sexuality might not be much different. I agree that many details about it might be affected by personality but certain chemicals could still have a large affect on basic details such as how masculine or feminine you like people to be.

One example of a chemical attraction is smell. Both male and female pubic areas have unique scents. Many strait guys and gay girls will go on and on about how much they love the smell of pussy but hate the way penises smell. Likewise many gay men find the smell of male pubic sweat to be very erotic. I know that many people who have researched pheromone responses would agree with me that this part of the brain is very primitive and it is almost certain that these responses can only be based on instinct.

 

[Tiervexx]

And the final proof that some of it is instinctual is that the majority of gay people liked members of the same sex long before they knew what sexuality is, and long before anyone could have influenced it. I remember having a crush on a guy long before I even knew what a crush was. I was later taught that homosexuality is wrong so I suppressed it for years. I did not know that I was gay until about a year ago but looking back it is very obvious that I always was.

If sexuality is purely mental instead of physical how is it that so many where gay at such a young age?

 

[Testosterone boy]

OK........OK..........we got your point bro.